Born Again Virgin?

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Jullianna

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Maybe I’m just not asking my question properly.

I’m a mom. I get the biology of the thing. :D
I get that God is glorified when we give OUR OWN testimony.
I get that we need to be honest with a potential spouse.

What I don’t get:
How is God glorified when we talk about someone else’s sexual sin or the lack thereof? The OP is NOT talking about herself as far as I can see.
Where does scripture give us the right to tell someone what they can and can't say about themselves?
How do we know the person really isn’t a born again virgin, unless, of course, they have confessed their sin to us? If that is the case, how are they covering anything up?
It just doesn’t make sense.
 
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Jullianna

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You know what...nevermind. People aren't going to stop being judgmental or talking about others no matter what any of us type here, are they? It's a waste of time to discuss it further.

God bless :) Be a blessing. Speak of things that edify, not things that tear down our siblings in Christ.
 
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Liz01

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Jullianna said:
Maybe I’m just not asking my question properly.

I’m a mom. I get the biology of the thing. :D
I get that God is glorified when we give OUR OWN testimony.
I get that we need to be honest with a potential spouse.

What I don’t get:
How is God glorified when we talk about someone else’s sexual sin or the lack thereof? The OP is NOT talking about herself as far as I can see.
Where does scripture give us the right to tell someone what they can and can't say about themselves?
How do we know the person really isn’t a born again virgin, unless, of course, they have confessed their sin to us? If that is the case, how are they covering anything up?
It just doesn’t make sense.
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Im sorry you had to go through the experience of be a single mom and must have been very difficult. I have seen your posts and you seem to be a very strong woman with a lot of faith and love to God.

I dont think nobody here is trying to judge others (except the girl that used the word "whore") and i think ppl here have love too to God and understand (and have lived in one area or many) that God forgave us all our sins and now we are completely different persons from the past, before we knew about Jesus.

But i think its pointless to call ourselves something that is not true. To had been in fornication or jail, to had stolen or any other sin is embarrassing and shameful but that doesnt mean that we try to "force" the bible to appear ourselves as less sinners.

And as an example we only need to read what Peter wrote about himself :

1 Timothy 1:12-15 "And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has enabled me, because He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry, although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. "
 
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Jullianna

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Again, Peter wrote that about HIMSELF, not other people. Huge difference.
 
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Liz01

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Of course, Peter talk about himself, telling what he did in the past, he never tried to deny what he did, but using his experience as a big testimony to others to encourage them and giving the glory to God.

Nobody here is judging or condemning others.
 
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Jullianna

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Of course, Peter talk about himself, telling what he did in the past, he never tried to deny what he did, but using his experience as a big testimony to others to encourage them and giving the glory to God.

Exactly, he wasn't badmouthing or mocking other christians whose sins had been forgiven.

Nobody here is judging or condemning others.

Maybe it's the language barrier or maybe we're reading different posts. I don't know how to word my questions more clearly than I have.

Thanks for trying! :)
 
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Liz01

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I think is different "to being judged" and "to feel that someone is judging us"

I dont agree with that someone judge other because we need to "first remove the plank from your own eye"

But when someone is NOT being judged but that person feel that everybody is judging them, then is a personal issue that that person should solve with the help of God.
 
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I think its because the term Born-again virgin is literally meaningless. Sure Born-again means you are now a Christian and Virgin means youve never had sex, but they don't combine into a new word. Being born again doesnt erase the fact you had sex. You might washed clean of sin, but it still happened it just doesnt matter. So yes you can be considered 'pure' again, just not a virgin.

Im just confused how the term came into use in the first place....
 
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Jullianna

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Liz01 said:
I think is different "to being judged" and "to feel that someone is judging us"

I dont agree with that someone judge other because we need to "first remove the plank from your own eye"

But when someone is NOT being judged but that person feel that everybody is judging them, then is a personal issue that that person should solve with the help of God.
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Are you saying that people call themselves this because they feel judged by others? That's probably true.
 
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I still can't believe that people actually say this. I honestly thought it was just a joke referring to the King of the Hill episode, which certainly seemed like a mockery or satire at best.
 
Oncefallen

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Liz01 said:
And as an example we only need to read what Peter wrote about himself :

1 Timothy 1:12-15 "And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has enabled me, because He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry, although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. "
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Jullianna said:
Again, Peter wrote that about HIMSELF, not other people. Huge difference.
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**coughs** It was Paul :p

I had thought this thread had finally died and gone off to whatever place old threads rest their souls when they die.....sighs.

Jullianna, it is sad that in the church people are entirely too prone to make assumptions about how a single mom (or dad) became a single parent, and how some are seemingly unwilling to grant grace to those who became single parents as a result of sin.
 
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Jullianna

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Thanks, Oncefallen :) It was Paul, wasn't it? :)

I truly pray for people who say such things, that God would show them mercy...because we know what scripture says and how protective God is of widows and orphans, don't we?
 
Oncefallen

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Jullianna said:
CC Bride, great answer. :)

I still don't get why it matters what other people want to call their own personal business. Who needs to know this other than the person you marry? God already knows.

I keep reading that they are "trying to cover up their sin". From whom? God? As long as they are honest with whomever they plan to marry, what business is it of anyone else? That's the part I don't get.

Am I missing something? When you meet someone, do you shake hands and say, "Hi, I'm blahblahblah. Oh..btw..I'm an ex -liar/thief/adulterer/cheater/glutton/drug dealer/hooker?" Should people start wearing scarlet As on their shirts or something. I don't get this thread at all. Just seems kinda gossipy to me. Ugh.
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I've got to agree with you here. My past life is no one's business except for myself and those I choose to share the particular details with. Sometimes I choose to share those details with someone that I think will gain from the knowledge of my past, and of course I am quite open about it with anyone that I've been in a serious relationship with.

It seems that a huge deal is made about those who have past sexual sin, yet the ex-drug addict, thief, etc. are automatically granted grace.
 
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Jullianna

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Oncefallen said:
I've got to agree with you here. My past life is no one's business except for myself and those I choose to share the particular details with. Sometimes I choose to share those details with someone that I think will gain from the knowledge of my past, and of course I am quite open about it with anyone that I've been in a serious relationship with.

It seems that a huge deal is made about those who have past sexual sin, yet the ex-drug addict, thief, etc. are automatically granted grace.
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Whew! I was beginning to think I was speaking a foreign language :) Thank you!
 
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Liz01

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I only hope that we as christians keep encouraging things like love, faith, forgiveness and purity that are inside the bible.

And not that we (as church) find ourselves start encouraging things like "born again virgin" that are non-biblical.
 
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Jullianna

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I don't think anyone is discouraging love, faith, forgiveness or purity. Just the opposite.:)


Those two words don't mean anything to me either, but they certainly aren't worthy of possibly offending a new believer in Christ for whom they may hold hope, the release of shame, and a newfound life of purity through the blood of Christ and a life lived for Him. That, for me, far outweighs any silliness of any term. My concern is that one of them might read this thread and it could hurt them or cause them to stumble. That's all.

If any of you are that person, please know that your sins are forgiven the moment you confess and ask. No matter what anyone tells you/mocks you/criticizes you, no matter what you want to call yourself, don't let the words of other christians turn you from the love of the Lord. Release your past to Him, cling to Him with all of your might and your newfound purity as well.
 
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Liz01

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Jullianna said:
If any of you are that person, please know that your sins are forgiven the moment you confess and ask. No matter what anyone tells you/mocks you/criticizes you, no matter what you want to call yourself, don't let the words of other christians turn you from the love of the Lord. Release your past to Him, cling to Him with all of your might and your newfound purity as well.
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Now i agree in this with you Julliana ......finally..... :D i have been worried in that someone may be confused with things in this thread that are not inside the bible and im worried too in that someone may feel the impulse to hide a very good testimony that may encourage others to come to God no matter what they did.

I have never agreed in to twist bible in order to please new christians but i guess each person perform according their values and faith, all we are different from each other and all ppl deserve respect. :)
 
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Jullianna

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Yeah :) I'm totally against tampering with scripture as well. But a phrase not in the Bible that may not mean anything to us, but may mean so much to someone else? Why sweat it? :)
 
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