Romans 8:1

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Jullianna

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If we encounter something that is actually sinful or harmful to the faith, yes, we are to confront it IN LOVE. But why do so many folks get their unmentionables twisted about things that DON'T send people to hell? Why so much pettiness?


I've seen christians go to guns with one another over stuff like this:


Christmas trees
Chris Tomlin music
Not of this World car decals
Womens retreats
Youth groups
More things than I have time to list this morning


No, none of these things are in the Bible, but could any of these things be more harmful than devouring one another?

This truly grieves my spirit....
 
LightningClap0002

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That is terrible. :(

Now here's a question for you. If a pastor at your church sent several HS aged kids to do outreach in a sketchy part of town without an adult, would you trust God enough to protect your son, or fire the pastor? This is loosely the drama currently unraveling at my church.

It saddens me how little faith people seem to have. :(
 
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I wouldnt send unchaperoned HS kids to a bad part of town. That is asking for trouble. And faith or not you shouldnt be testing God.
 
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Jullianna said:
If we encounter something that is actually sinful or harmful to the faith, yes, we are to confront it IN LOVE. But why do so many folks get their unmentionables twisted about things that DON'T send people to hell? Why so much pettiness?


I've seen christians go to guns with one another over stuff like this:


Christmas trees
Chris Tomlin music
Not of this World car decals
Womens retreats
Youth groups
More things than I have time to list this morning


No, none of these things are in the Bible, but could any of these things be more harmful than devouring one another?

This truly grieves my spirit....
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It grieves me too and it also supports the stereotype that I had of christians before I became one.
 
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Nautilus said:
I wouldnt send unchaperoned HS kids to a bad part of town. That is asking for trouble. And faith or not you shouldnt be testing God.
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Tracks diverted to new thread.

Jullianna... possibly a little bit of the reason for the disagreements among churches kind of demonstrated here. As a core belief of the christian worldview, there is objective, moral right and wrong. Also as a core belief is the idea that we should not stand idly by while our fellow christians commit wrong. The problem comes in the determination of that objective right and wrong. I am beginning to believe that we may actually be pushing too much into the objective "right" and "wrong" bins. Everyone has so many different views. This actually was the reason for one of my other recent threads. You all have definitely given me more to contemplate.
 
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Jullianna

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LightningClap0002 said:
That is terrible. :(

Now here's a question for you. If a pastor at your church sent several HS aged kids to do outreach in a sketchy part of town without an adult, would you trust God enough to protect your son, or fire the pastor? This is loosely the drama currently unraveling at my church.

It saddens me how little faith people seem to have. :(
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I dedicated my son to God WHILE he was being born in silent prayer. I trust God with my son totally and completely. He has protected him, taught him, guided him and loves him more than any human has the capability of doing.

I admire the fervor of the kids and their desire to serve, absolutely. :) For me, this issue would be completely unrelated to the kids and their service to God, or His protection of them. That's a given.

For me, this situation would not be about whether I trusted God or not, but whether I trusted the judgment of an adult I had trusted to supervise minors. I would want to hear what he had to say.
 
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Jullianna said:
I dedicated my son to God WHILE he was being born in silent prayer. I trust God with my son totally and completely. He has protected him, taught him, guided him and loves him more than any human has the capability of doing.

I admire the fervor of the kids and their desire to serve, absolutely. :) For me, this issue would be completely unrelated to the kids and their service to God, or His protection of them. That's a given.

For me, this situation would not be about whether I trusted God or not, but whether I trusted the judgment of an adult I had trusted to supervise minors. I would want to hear what he had to say.
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I can appreciate and respect that. I personally don't think I would need that level of trust, but I don't have children either. :) But I did move this to a different thread, so I won't drag it out here.

I agree that young people do seem to have that extra fervor that can really be a powerful tool for mission work!
 
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Jullianna said:
Psalm 103:12
as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.

Isaiah 43:25
"I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more.

Heb 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 10:17
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,


I understand that we need to call sin, sin. I understand that, if someone is still in sin, out of LOVE (not self-righteous hypocrisy) we are to educate them with regard to sin.

Is it okay to pass judgment on a sibling in Christ whose sins have been forgiven and who is not continuing in that sin when God does not?
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No, and ours is really not to judge anyway. For the same measure by which we judge others, so we will be judged, or for the measur we forgive others, we will be forgiven. (Makes you want to pardon everything, doesn't it?)

...but, scripture also tells us to speak the truth in love that we may build up those we are with. In any case, we would be wise and evaluate people and situations, especially when leadership is concerned. For those of us called to teaching or preaching are judged twice as harshly. Why? Others listen, and we can lead them astray.

So, we must try our best to be as fully as we can in Christ, living and forgiving, but also teaching, correcting, and on a rare occasion rebuking if need be.

(This is my 1000th post!)
 
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Jullianna

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congrats on your 1000th post :)
 
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LightningClap0002;734848 Looking at my church now I can't believe how much drama is going on. Or maybe things truly were just simpler for everyone 20 years ago. It really is saddening either way that churches are so full of drama.[/quote said:
The world hasn't changed. Our modes of transportation have. Our technology has changed. The world(read people) has not changed.
1Corinthians 11:17-22
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The flip side of the coin is that would it be loving not to help someone change? We are a family in Christ everyone of us who are in Christ. Would not a family memer out of love not want to encourage another. Of course it depends on whats happening Paul in Corinthians expresses that a certain individual be cast out of the community in order tor estore him....

It your motive for wanting to help someone who's in continual sin.. is it because your a Pharisee or is it because you genuinely love your brother or sister?
 
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Jullianna

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Yes, phil. It is about the motivation of our hearts. Absolutely. :)

Is the motivation to stir that person to a life in Christ or to somehow build ourselves up by pointing fingers at others?

God looks on the heart. Theirs AND ours.
 
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