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Jesus is the vine and we are grafted into him, and the Jews of old can be grafted in too
What church of the Jews and the church of the Gentile?
For he has made of one blood all nations of men and there is nether Jew nor Greek in Christ Jesus.
And Jesus is the head of that church.
And one Spirit are we all baptized into one body.
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly and circumcision is nothing
And the publican Zacchaeus, Jesus called him a son of Abraham, so which church dose he belong too for he was not a Jew and yet a son of Abraham?
Two prophets, two dead bodies, two candlesticks, and a candlestick is also an individual.
Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
What sounds symbolic in that story, is the fire that comes out of their mouth and it could be like peter which spoke the word and Ananias, with Sapphira his wife fell down dead.Acts5
What church of the Jews and the church of the Gentile?
For he has made of one blood all nations of men and there is nether Jew nor Greek in Christ Jesus.
And Jesus is the head of that church.
And one Spirit are we all baptized into one body.
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly and circumcision is nothing
And the publican Zacchaeus, Jesus called him a son of Abraham, so which church dose he belong too for he was not a Jew and yet a son of Abraham?
Two prophets, two dead bodies, two candlesticks, and a candlestick is also an individual.
Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
What sounds symbolic in that story, is the fire that comes out of their mouth and it could be like peter which spoke the word and Ananias, with Sapphira his wife fell down dead.Acts5
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On one hand we have Christians trying to teach us the two witnesses are Elijah, Enoch, or Moses with no evidence.
On the other hand we have Christians trying to teach us the two witnesses is a Jewish church and a Christian church with no evidence.
Here is a theory for you, just the pure water of the word, but you need childlike faith to believe it.
3And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
10 these two prophets
Are killed by the beast
and their dead bodies lie in the streets and after 3 ½ days
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud;
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
No Embellishing (to Make something more attractive by the addition of decorative details)
No twisting
No tweaking.
Just the pure water of the word, but you need childlike faith to believe it.
Matt18:3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
On the other hand we have Christians trying to teach us the two witnesses is a Jewish church and a Christian church with no evidence.
Here is a theory for you, just the pure water of the word, but you need childlike faith to believe it.
3And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
10 these two prophets
Are killed by the beast
and their dead bodies lie in the streets and after 3 ½ days
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud;
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
No Embellishing (to Make something more attractive by the addition of decorative details)
No twisting
No tweaking.
Just the pure water of the word, but you need childlike faith to believe it.
Matt18:3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
It’s not about which church or denomination. It’s about the body of believers that are born again, that have been circumcised with the circumcision made without hands.
Where in scripture does it say Zacchaeus was not a Jew? You tend to add things that the Word of God does not say.
And why is that? Is it because you have to twist scripture to make it fit your man made doctrine?
Notice what the following verses say concerning Zacchaeus.
Luk 19:2 And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.
Luk 19:3 And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.
Luk 19:4 And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycamore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.
Luk 19:5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for today I must abide at thy house.
Luk 19:6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.
Luk 19:7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.
Luk 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
Luk 19:9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
The name Zacchaeus is Hebrew so wouldn’t it stand to reason that Zacchaeus was a Jew?
It’s just as simple as this…
It is not the reader that determines whether the language is literal or figurative, it is determined by the author.
When we interpret literal language as figurative it can lead to a faulty exegesis of scripture and false doctrine.
When we interpret figurative language as literal it can lead to a faulty exegesis of scripture and false doctrine.
This is one of the reasons we have such a division on the interpretation of scripture.
People interpreting figurative language as literal and literal language as figurative.
There are two principals we should keep in mind when we read Revelation.
The first principle is the fact that the book of Revelation uses extensive figurative language.
The second principal is Nothing in Revelation will contradict anything else in the Bible.
In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
Where in scripture does it say Zacchaeus was not a Jew? You tend to add things that the Word of God does not say.
And why is that? Is it because you have to twist scripture to make it fit your man made doctrine?
Notice what the following verses say concerning Zacchaeus.
Luk 19:2 And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.
Luk 19:3 And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.
Luk 19:4 And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycamore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.
Luk 19:5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for today I must abide at thy house.
Luk 19:6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.
Luk 19:7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.
Luk 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
Luk 19:9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
The name Zacchaeus is Hebrew so wouldn’t it stand to reason that Zacchaeus was a Jew?
It’s just as simple as this…
It is not the reader that determines whether the language is literal or figurative, it is determined by the author.
When we interpret literal language as figurative it can lead to a faulty exegesis of scripture and false doctrine.
When we interpret figurative language as literal it can lead to a faulty exegesis of scripture and false doctrine.
This is one of the reasons we have such a division on the interpretation of scripture.
People interpreting figurative language as literal and literal language as figurative.
There are two principals we should keep in mind when we read Revelation.
The first principle is the fact that the book of Revelation uses extensive figurative language.
The second principal is Nothing in Revelation will contradict anything else in the Bible.
In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
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It says Zacchaeus was a publicans it doesn’t say he was a jew
It’s funny when I say it its adding and twisting scripture but when you say it it’s not. And why is that?
Lots of people have Jewish names but they were not born a Jew.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise
Rom2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
He is come to seek and to save that which was lost were you born a jew?
Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
I think you will find it includes non-Jewish
John4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
It’s funny when I say it its adding and twisting scripture but when you say it it’s not. And why is that?
Lots of people have Jewish names but they were not born a Jew.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise
Rom2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
He is come to seek and to save that which was lost were you born a jew?
Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
I think you will find it includes non-Jewish
John4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
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Luke 19:8-9
(8) And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
(9) And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
(8) And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
(9) And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
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Nicodemus was introduced as a Jew.
Mordecai was introduced as a Jew.
Even The false prophet, Barjesus: was introduced as a Jew.
Aquila, was Introduced as a Jew.
Apollos was Introduced as a Jew.
Sceva, was Introduced as a Jew.
And that certain centurion's who loved the nation, and he hath built us a synagogue. was Introduced as a Jew.
But Zacchaeus, was Introduced as a publican.
Matthew 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
So you can see how I came to the conclusion that Zacchaeus was a publican and not a Jew.
And there is a noticeable difference between a publican and a jew in the Bible.
This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
It sounds like By faith Zacchaeus became the seed of Abraham after receiving jesus that day.
So which exactly was the scripture that I twisted, or are you just making it up?
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Well, Luke, the evangelist, recorded that "a great multitude" followed the procession of Roman soldiers and the Sanhedrin leading the Lord Jesus to be crucified (Luke 23:27).
Luke also records that while the Lord Jesus was upon the cross, the people stood by watching, while the Romans and Sanhedrin scoffed the Lord (Luke 23:35).
Therefore, it may be likely that all the folks the Lord healed miraculously also witnessed the crucifixion as did the rest of the "great multitude."
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Well, John also wrote in Revelation that he saw "one like the Son of Man" [Jesus] who held 7 stars on His right hand and a out of His mouth protruded "a two-edge sword" (Rev. 1:13-16).
Eventually, John also describes seeing a rider in a white horse called "Faithful and True" and his name is "the word of God." It turns out this rider also has a sharp sword coming out of his mouth (Rev. 19:11-15).
Therefore, it becomes obvious to the reader that Jesus, the Son of Man, is NOT symbolic, although, a two-edge sword protruding from the mouth is VERY symbolic.
Similarly, the two Witnesses are REAL DNA human beings capable of preaching (speaking), vulnerable to death, and assigned to a limited, specific, REAL geographical region: Jerusalem. The metaphor is the fire coming out of their mouths.
Eventually, John also describes seeing a rider in a white horse called "Faithful and True" and his name is "the word of God." It turns out this rider also has a sharp sword coming out of his mouth (Rev. 19:11-15).
Therefore, it becomes obvious to the reader that Jesus, the Son of Man, is NOT symbolic, although, a two-edge sword protruding from the mouth is VERY symbolic.
Similarly, the two Witnesses are REAL DNA human beings capable of preaching (speaking), vulnerable to death, and assigned to a limited, specific, REAL geographical region: Jerusalem. The metaphor is the fire coming out of their mouths.
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No you Don't understand but Don't feel bad most people are jest as ignorant! The two witnesses are both christens which means that it's jesus christ who is Dowing things through them and it's jesus christ who is talking through them! The two witnesses are witnessesing what jesus christ will be saying and dowing through them. Roul one never claem that the power god gives is yours because only god can control that amount of power.
It seems Matthew Henry, in his Commentary, says no one knows who or what they are, other than empowered by and sent by God to "witness."
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
11:3-13 In the time of treading down, God kept his faithful witnesses to attest the truth of his word and worship, and the excellence of his ways, The number of these witnesses is small, yet enough. They prophesy in sackcloth. It shows their afflicted, persecuted state, and deep sorrow for the abominations against which they protested. They are supported during their great and hard work, till it is done. When they had prophesied in sackcloth the greatest part of 1260 years, antichrist, the great instrument of the devil, would war against them, with force and violence for a time. Determined rebels against the light rejoice, as on some happy event, when they can silence, drive to a distance, or destroy the faithful servants of Christ, whose doctrine and conduct torment them. It does not appear that the term is yet expired, and the witnesses are not a present exposed to endure such terrible outward sufferings as in former times; but such things may again happen, and there is abundant cause to prophesy in sackcloth, on account of the state of religion. The depressed state of real Christianity may relate only to the western church. The Spirit of life from God, quickens dead souls, and shall quicken the dead bodies of his people, and his dying interest in the world. The revival of God's work and witnesses, will strike terror into the souls of his enemies. Where there is guilt, there is fear; and a persecuting spirit, though cruel, is a cowardly spirit. It will be no small part of the punishment of persecutors, both in this world, and at the great day, that they see the faithful servants of God honoured and advanced. The Lord's witnesses must not be weary of suffering and service, nor hastily grasp at the reward; but must stay till their Master calls them. The consequence of their being thus exalted was a mighty shock and convulsion in the antichristian empire. Events alone can show the meaning of this. But whenever God's work and witnesses revive, the devil's work and witnesses fall before him. And that the slaying of the witnesses is future, appears to be probable.
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
11:3-13 In the time of treading down, God kept his faithful witnesses to attest the truth of his word and worship, and the excellence of his ways, The number of these witnesses is small, yet enough. They prophesy in sackcloth. It shows their afflicted, persecuted state, and deep sorrow for the abominations against which they protested. They are supported during their great and hard work, till it is done. When they had prophesied in sackcloth the greatest part of 1260 years, antichrist, the great instrument of the devil, would war against them, with force and violence for a time. Determined rebels against the light rejoice, as on some happy event, when they can silence, drive to a distance, or destroy the faithful servants of Christ, whose doctrine and conduct torment them. It does not appear that the term is yet expired, and the witnesses are not a present exposed to endure such terrible outward sufferings as in former times; but such things may again happen, and there is abundant cause to prophesy in sackcloth, on account of the state of religion. The depressed state of real Christianity may relate only to the western church. The Spirit of life from God, quickens dead souls, and shall quicken the dead bodies of his people, and his dying interest in the world. The revival of God's work and witnesses, will strike terror into the souls of his enemies. Where there is guilt, there is fear; and a persecuting spirit, though cruel, is a cowardly spirit. It will be no small part of the punishment of persecutors, both in this world, and at the great day, that they see the faithful servants of God honoured and advanced. The Lord's witnesses must not be weary of suffering and service, nor hastily grasp at the reward; but must stay till their Master calls them. The consequence of their being thus exalted was a mighty shock and convulsion in the antichristian empire. Events alone can show the meaning of this. But whenever God's work and witnesses revive, the devil's work and witnesses fall before him. And that the slaying of the witnesses is future, appears to be probable.
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I have a nephew who fire comes out of his mouth to destroy his enemies.Its not symbolic though.Its just a word."Fire"
Fire commands are oral orders issued by leaders to focus and distribute fires as required achieving decisive effects against the enemy. They allow leaders to rapidly and concisely articulate their firing instructions using a standard format (Refer to TC 3-20.31-4 for more information).
The 144000 preach the gospel to Israel as Christ did.They are rejected as Christ was.
The two witnesses command the armies of the gentiles.in verse two.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Fire commands are oral orders issued by leaders to focus and distribute fires as required achieving decisive effects against the enemy. They allow leaders to rapidly and concisely articulate their firing instructions using a standard format (Refer to TC 3-20.31-4 for more information).
The 144000 preach the gospel to Israel as Christ did.They are rejected as Christ was.
The two witnesses command the armies of the gentiles.in verse two.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Here is an interesting Article concerning who they are:
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Therefore, the two witnesses represent all of God’s servants who are proclaiming the word of the Lord. Notably, the witnesses would includes the prophets and apostles who were prophesying and preaching that the holy city would be trampled. The word of the Lord will be accomplished and the servants of God (the two witnesses) are proclaiming that God’s promises and prophecies will happen. The descriptions that we read about the two witnesses indicate that we are talking about a larger body of God’s servants, not just two people. (1) The beast makes war on the two witnesses (vs. 7). This does not make much sense if the two witnesses are only two individuals. Far better to see the two witnesses as the prophets, apostles, and those who are proclaiming the message of judgment. (2) The world is watching them die, which makes more sense as those who are proclaiming the message of judgment rather than just two individuals. To summarize the point of verses 3-6: the symbol is the message of the Law and the prophets prophesying judgment for the sins of the Jewish nation. The prophets, apostles, and people of God were the ones preaching this message to the Jewish nation.
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thebookofrevelationmadeclear.com › revelationTwo Witnesses (Revelation 11:3-19) – Revelation Made Clear
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Therefore, the two witnesses represent all of God’s servants who are proclaiming the word of the Lord. Notably, the witnesses would includes the prophets and apostles who were prophesying and preaching that the holy city would be trampled. The word of the Lord will be accomplished and the servants of God (the two witnesses) are proclaiming that God’s promises and prophecies will happen. The descriptions that we read about the two witnesses indicate that we are talking about a larger body of God’s servants, not just two people. (1) The beast makes war on the two witnesses (vs. 7). This does not make much sense if the two witnesses are only two individuals. Far better to see the two witnesses as the prophets, apostles, and those who are proclaiming the message of judgment. (2) The world is watching them die, which makes more sense as those who are proclaiming the message of judgment rather than just two individuals. To summarize the point of verses 3-6: the symbol is the message of the Law and the prophets prophesying judgment for the sins of the Jewish nation. The prophets, apostles, and people of God were the ones preaching this message to the Jewish nation.
(here)
thebookofrevelationmadeclear.com › revelationTwo Witnesses (Revelation 11:3-19) – Revelation Made Clear