Chick-fil-A and Homosexuality

[djness]

Which one, Djness? The essay analogy? To be frank, I didn't address it because I didn't find it compelling in the slightest. You still didn't answer MY question, though. Did you watch the video?

Can't edit my last post..watched more of the video and all I can say is flawed logic is flawed.

"But that is not what we are talking about. Gay people have a natural, permanent orientation toward those of the same sex; it’s not something that they choose, and it’s not something that they can change. They aren’t abandoning or rejecting heterosexuality—that’s never an option for them to begin with. And if applied to gay people, Paul’s argument here should actually work in the other direction: If the point of this passage is to rebuke those who have spurned their true nature, be it religious when it comes to idolatry or sexual, then just as those who are naturally heterosexual should not be with those of the same sex, so, too, those who have a natural orientation toward the same sex should not be with those of the opposite sex. For them, that would be exchanging “the natural for the unnatural” in just the same way. We have different natures when it comes to sexual orientation."

This guy is exceptional at painting redefinition with a real broad brush.

 

[betrys]

How is his logic flawed? I understand the argument that, "it's not natural," but evidence suggests that sexual orientation IS something that we are born with. Whether or not we later act upon our natural attractions is another story entirely, but no one CHOOSES which gender they find appealing. If that were the case, who in their right mind would choose homosexuality, forced to live a life where others judge them and abuse them?

 

[LightningClap0002]

How is his logic flawed? I understand the argument that, "it's not natural," but evidence suggests that sexual orientation IS something that we are born with. Whether or not we later act upon our natural attractions is another story entirely, but no one CHOOSES which gender they find appealing. If that were the case, who in their right mind would choose homosexuality, forced to live a life where others judge them and abuse them?

Well, if we ignore all of the people that do it for shock value, or out of rebellion, then I guess we probably have some people left who may have not chosen it; you might also have people left who were psychologically impacted at a young age, or any other number of factors. I'm not saying you're wrong, but just that your rhetorical question probably isn't as simple to answer as you would like. There are lots of reasons for people to do things that we may think are crazy. Many of them we put in institutions to help them conform.

 

[betrys]

Of course, you're right in some ways. Truth resists simplicity. And there MAY be some people who partake in homosexual behavior for attention, or whatever other reason. But the same can be said for heterosexuals. Some heterosexuals may go to a bar and get completely wasted and end up having numerous one night stands, or cheat on their partners. But you wouldn't say heterosexuality was wrong or unnatural because those people behaved that way.

And why, pray tell, is conformity the right answer here? Just because something is different doesn't make it inherently bad or sinful. You'd be making a mighty jump to say that.

 

[Daniel94]

I would like to chime back in by saying first of all I didn't watch that video. Secondly, I can say that I feel I have not chosen to be attracted to the same sex, but I am. I can also say that I had prayed over and over again about my feelings and to be honest I felt I was being told it was wrong. Literally the day after I prayed about them I found this site and in the chat they were discussing homosexual behavior. They were talking about how the Bible states it is a sin and is wrong. I took that as a sign from God to not indulge myself into any of that behavior and I can actually say I had never acted upon the feelings. I would also like to point out that if you haven't been through it then you can't have any idea how hard it is to suppress my feelings. Thankfully I am doing much better though with the help of God. Your talking about it being natural I honestly don't know about that. I can say that anytime I find myself attracted to a guy, I start to feel disgusted with myself. Also how I know it is wrong because I feel that the attraction is wrong, but then it also feels a little right to. The wrong always outweighs the right though when I get a feeling like that. It only becomes natural when you indulge yourself.

 

[betrys]

Daniel, your decisions are your own, and I would never interfere so long as your are happy and well.

But obviously this issue has special significance to you, right? If I were you, I WOULD watch the video. And do more research outside of it, as well. Don't let any other human tell you what is right and what is wrong--they do not know what is in your heart, nor do they know God's plan for you. Personally, I think your disgust is a product of you being told that it IS wrong. Personally, I don't believe that's true. God MADE you in HIS image. He would not want you to feel disgust with yourself. Hopefully, one day you'll get to the point where you're completely comfortable with your emotions.

Then again, you do have free will, and you're more than entitled to battle your feelings if that is what you truly want. It's all up to you. Pray, and read, and research. Seek out answers to your questions. I would have never come to know Christ if I didn't study the contents of my heart.

Secondly, I can say that I feel I have not chosen to be attracted to the same sex, but I am.

THAT is what I mean by natural--something that you cannot choose. I'm not saying that "it feels right and natural because they do it all the time", I mean that their sexual orientation is outside of their sphere of influence.

Good luck, and God Bless.

 

[Shaije]

Of course, you're right in some ways. Truth resists simplicity. And there MAY be some people who partake in homosexual behavior for attention, or whatever other reason. But the same can be said for heterosexuals. Some heterosexuals may go to a bar and get completely wasted and end up having numerous one night stands, or cheat on their partners. But you wouldn't say heterosexuality was wrong or unnatural because those people behaved that way.

And why, pray tell, is conformity the right answer here? Just because something is different doesn't make it inherently bad or sinful. You'd be making a mighty jump to say that.

The BIBLE says its sinful.....the Living Word of God. No jumping required.

 

[betrys]

The BIBLE says its sinful

I disagree. It is true, if we look through the Bible, that we find 6 scriptures that reference same-sex behavior. However, a closer study of the history of the Scripture and the context in which it was written leads me to believe that homosexuality is NOT a sin.
I repeat: if there's anything that frustrates me more than bigotry and hate where there should be acceptance and love, it's cherry-picking Scripture. Plucking verses from the Bible that SEEM to prove your point without reading deeper into it is theological laziness of the worst degree.

Scripture needs to be studied carefully and broadly. Watch this video: The Gay Debate: The Bible and Homosexuality - YouTube
If you can give adequate criticisms of his arguments, I'd love to hear it.

 

[martin53]

Betry's I have a list of verses I would like to share with you, I am compiling them at the moment

 

[martin53]

1 Cor 6: Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Timothy 1: 8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.

Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

All of these three are verses from the New Testament, but here is God's view of it in the Old Testament: Leviticus 20:13 If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

I am not saying we should kill homosexuals, we should offer homosexuals the offer of salvation in Christ Jesus much as any other sinner, for homosexual is a sin like every other that seperates man from God without Christ Jesus. But my point is that homosexuality is indeed a sin.

 

[martin53]

1 John 1: 5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

 

[martin53]

1 Corinthians 5: 9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”[d]

 

[Daniel94]

This is mainly for betrys, but anyone may read if the feel like it...sorry for it being so long.

I watched the video and I am not sure that I agree :/ Honestly I can say as someone who goes through this EVERY day it tears at my heart. I can barely bring myself to type what I want to say, but I am going to do it.

I want to start by saying I agree with him when he says that straight people have no idea what he is going through or even me. This is especially hard for those of us who grow up in Christian homes. Being taught one thing, but wanting another. I know people have trouble with sins everyday, but honestly as Christians I think we judge(when we should not) homosexuals with a stronger force than other sin. That seems to be the only thing on the agenda.

As for the little bit he said on marriage I am not sure I agree with that. It is my understanding that in the Bible when talking about marriage it always refers to a husband(man) and a wife(woman). From this you can clearly deduce the one man one woman principle and thus it disproves his point that 2 men or 2 women can be together.

As for the verses in the Old Testament, especially the Leviticus, I can understand where he is coming from. I see what he means about Christians still accepting some and ignoring others. I also understand what he is saying when he is talking about the New Testament verses, however, I feel it is the way you interpret it. We all read into things differently and when it comes to words they have so many different definitions.

As for his argument on a man being alone the Bible also says in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9...

8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Does verse 8 not clearly state God wishes man to stay pure if he can, but if he can not to marry. That goes directly against his argument of God didn't want man to be alone. By alone I think he meant he created Eve as a companion and partner and someone to love( not sexually). The first mention of children from Adam and Eve are Cain and Abel and if I am not mistaken this is after they left the garden.

I also am kind of offended that you say you can not stand cherry picking of Bible verses when you clearly are. Who is only using 6 verses from the Bible? I believe that is you and that Matthew Vines guy in the video. Even if those are the only verses that refer to homosexuals it is still cherry picking because you aren't looking at the Bible as a whole as it is supposed to be.


To be honest though if I were to be a practicing gay person I would feel like I would be betraying God and that I am testing God. I do not want to betray/test God. I would rather not ever be with anyone than be with someone and sadden God. Also we have so many other things in life to focus on than trying to find someone to be with. If you really are focusing that much on finding a person to be with then I can say you must not have much faith in God. I am a firm believer that God has plans for everyone. Instead of sitting around trying to find a partner use your life for something useful. Spread God's Word and stop worrying about yourself. Some Christians today really anger me with their attitudes about things(not necessarily anyone on here).

Once again sorry for the long post, but you were wanting a valid argument and I think mine is valid...at least I hope it is. I am no expert on the Bible and in no way am I trying to act like I am. Also sorry if there are any errors, I am too tired to read back through it

 

[betrys]

Thank you so much for watching the video. It truly warms my heart to hear of your compassion and love for your fellow man.

And certainly, I do not expect you to agree forthright. I understand that my position on this issue is more...radical than most. Perhaps it would help if I explained my background a little bit more. I've spent the majority of my teenage years deep in the Bible Belt South, where being gay is pretty much THE worst sin anyone can commit, ever. I've been surrounded by people who think Obama is a socialist Muslim from Kenya, and those who secretly agree with the message of the WBC: "God Hates Fags".

I'm aware that most Christians are amazing, loving people, but my experience has perhaps tainted that, just a bit. So when I say that I hate cherry-picking and theological laziness, I'm not talking about all people who view homosexuality as a sin. I'm talking about people who refuse to listen to any viewpoint other than their own, and who lack the discipline and interest to research things for themselves.

You are obviously not one of those people.

In regards to 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 -- Matthew addressed this argument briefly, but I will as well. Just as a brief refresher, he says:

In 1 Corinthians 7, Paul writes about marriage and celibacy. He was celibate himself, and he says that he wishes that everyone else could be celibate as well. But, he says, each person has their own gift. For Paul, celibacy is a spiritual gift, and one that he realizes that many Christians don’t have. However, because many of them lack the gift of celibacy, Paul observes that sexual immorality is rampant. And so he prescribes marriage as a kind of remedy or protection against sexual sin for Christians who lack the gift of celibacy. “It is better to marry than to burn with passion,” he says. And today, the vast majority of Christians do not sense either the gift of celibacy or the call to it. This is true for both straight and gay Christians. And so if the remedy against sexual sin for straight Christians is marriage, why should the remedy for gay Christians not be the same?

I must say that I agree with him. Marriage, as you stated, is not just a sexual thing. It is a love thing. I believe that homosexuals are just as capable of that sort of love as heterosexuals. (my position on gay marriage is rooted in secularism. I am quite passionate about the Separation of Church and State...but that's not a theological thing, so I'll leave it out of here for now.) And God does tell us to "go forth and multiply" (Genesis 9:7) So it strikes me a natural thing for homosexuals to desire a family of some sort.

Matthew Vines and I focus primarily on the 6 verses that reference same sex behavior because those are the ones relevant to the topic and the ones most often cited by Christians as to why homosexuality is immoral. For example, if you wanted to learn more about creation, you would not be reading from Deuteronomy or even from Romans-- you would be reading from Genesis 1 and 2, because they address the topic specifically. You'll note, however, that he does not focus ONLY on those passages. He even goes into the original Greek in order to understand the author's intent!

And I understand your hesitance to betray or test God. Truly, I don't think any real Christian wants to do that. Only you can decide what is right for you.

Also we have so many other things in life to focus on than trying to find someone to be with. If you really are focusing that much on finding a person to be with then I can say you must not have much faith in God. I am a firm believer that God has plans for everyone. Instead of sitting around trying to find a partner use your life for something useful.

Matthew Vines never mentioned his desperate search for someone to love. But we are humans, and we are social creatures, and it likely, if not inevitable, that he may end up finding someone who he grows to care deeply for. It doesn't mean he was spending his days looking, you know?

I hope I addressed everything in your last post. If I didn't, just bring it up again, and I'll try anew. I have a class to get to, so I wasn't able to spend as long on a reply as I usually would.

Anyway, GB.

 

[LightningClap0002]

This is mainly for betrys, but anyone may read if the feel like it...sorry for it being so long.

I watched the video and I am not sure that I agree :/ Honestly I can say as someone who goes through this EVERY day it tears at my heart. I can barely bring myself to type what I want to say, but I am going to do it.

I want to start by saying I agree with him when he says that straight people have no idea what he is going through or even me. This is especially hard for those of us who grow up in Christian homes. Being taught one thing, but wanting another. I know people have trouble with sins everyday, but honestly as Christians I think we judge(when we should not) homosexuals with a stronger force than other sin. That seems to be the only thing on the agenda.

As for the little bit he said on marriage I am not sure I agree with that. It is my understanding that in the Bible when talking about marriage it always refers to a husband(man) and a wife(woman). From this you can clearly deduce the one man one woman principle and thus it disproves his point that 2 men or 2 women can be together.

As for the verses in the Old Testament, especially the Leviticus, I can understand where he is coming from. I see what he means about Christians still accepting some and ignoring others. I also understand what he is saying when he is talking about the New Testament verses, however, I feel it is the way you interpret it. We all read into things differently and when it comes to words they have so many different definitions.

As for his argument on a man being alone the Bible also says in 1 Corinthians 7:8-9...

8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Does verse 8 not clearly state God wishes man to stay pure if he can, but if he can not to marry. That goes directly against his argument of God didn't want man to be alone. By alone I think he meant he created Eve as a companion and partner and someone to love( not sexually). The first mention of children from Adam and Eve are Cain and Abel and if I am not mistaken this is after they left the garden.

I also am kind of offended that you say you can not stand cherry picking of Bible verses when you clearly are. Who is only using 6 verses from the Bible? I believe that is you and that Matthew Vines guy in the video. Even if those are the only verses that refer to homosexuals it is still cherry picking because you aren't looking at the Bible as a whole as it is supposed to be.


To be honest though if I were to be a practicing gay person I would feel like I would be betraying God and that I am testing God. I do not want to betray/test God. I would rather not ever be with anyone than be with someone and sadden God. Also we have so many other things in life to focus on than trying to find someone to be with. If you really are focusing that much on finding a person to be with then I can say you must not have much faith in God. I am a firm believer that God has plans for everyone. Instead of sitting around trying to find a partner use your life for something useful. Spread God's Word and stop worrying about yourself. Some Christians today really anger me with their attitudes about things(not necessarily anyone on here).

Once again sorry for the long post, but you were wanting a valid argument and I think mine is valid...at least I hope it is. I am no expert on the Bible and in no way am I trying to act like I am. Also sorry if there are any errors, I am too tired to read back through it

Daniel, this was very well written. I thank you very much for tying some things together that I hadn't previously associated.

With my very logical mind I've picked out the following:
God refers to marriage as: Man + Wife (heterosexual relationship)
God only supports sex within the confines of marriage
Therefore the only sex that God supports is heterosexual sex.

We are warned that it is better to remain unmarried
Lust (in your mind or in action) outside of marriage is sin
Therefore any sexual relationships outside of a heterosexual marriage is sin.

So does this suggest lifelong homosexual relationships are sin? Probably not. But it sure seems like you're flirting with sin an awful lot to spend lots of time together or live together in a homosexual partnership (just as it would be before marriage for heterosexuals).

 

[Daniel94]

Thank you so much for watching the video. It truly warms my heart to hear of your compassion and love for your fellow man.

And certainly, I do not expect you to agree forthright. I understand that my position on this issue is more...radical than most. Perhaps it would help if I explained my background a little bit more. I've spent the majority of my teenage years deep in the Bible Belt South, where being gay is pretty much THE worst sin anyone can commit, ever. I've been surrounded by people who think Obama is a socialist Muslim from Kenya, and those who secretly agree with the message of the WBC: "God Hates Fags".

I'm aware that most Christians are amazing, loving people, but my experience has perhaps tainted that, just a bit. So when I say that I hate cherry-picking and theological laziness, I'm not talking about all people who view homosexuality as a sin. I'm talking about people who refuse to listen to any viewpoint other than their own, and who lack the discipline and interest to research things for themselves.

You are obviously not one of those people.

In regards to 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 -- Matthew addressed this argument briefly, but I will as well. Just as a brief refresher, he says:


I must say that I agree with him. Marriage, as you stated, is not just a sexual thing. It is a love thing. I believe that homosexuals are just as capable of that sort of love as heterosexuals. (my position on gay marriage is rooted in secularism. I am quite passionate about the Separation of Church and State...but that's not a theological thing, so I'll leave it out of here for now.) And God does tell us to "go forth and multiply" (Genesis 9:7) So it strikes me a natural thing for homosexuals to desire a family of some sort.

Matthew Vines and I focus primarily on the 6 verses that reference same sex behavior because those are the ones relevant to the topic and the ones most often cited by Christians as to why homosexuality is immoral. For example, if you wanted to learn more about creation, you would not be reading from Deuteronomy or even from Romans-- you would be reading from Genesis 1 and 2, because they address the topic specifically. You'll note, however, that he does not focus ONLY on those passages. He even goes into the original Greek in order to understand the author's intent!

And I understand your hesitance to betray or test God. Truly, I don't think any real Christian wants to do that. Only you can decide what is right for you.



Matthew Vines never mentioned his desperate search for someone to love. But we are humans, and we are social creatures, and it likely, if not inevitable, that he may end up finding someone who he grows to care deeply for. It doesn't mean he was spending his days looking, you know?

I hope I addressed everything in your last post. If I didn't, just bring it up again, and I'll try anew. I have a class to get to, so I wasn't able to spend as long on a reply as I usually would.

Anyway, GB.

For starters I myself have grown up in the Bible Belt south. Although it may not seem like it North Carolina is apart of the Bible Belt. The topic of homosexuals was just discussed here a couple months ago. It was added to the North Carolina constitution that marriage is to be between one man and one woman. As for people here secretly agreeing with the message God hates fags I don't exactly think that about here. As I said in my previous post I know everyone deals with sins, but I think I have had an extra difficult because of the fact of growing up in the Bible Belt and growing up a Christian. It is extremely hard to deal with. Anyways, that is enough about me.

I see your point about him saying about celibacy and the sort, but as I had already said I feel the Bible makes it clear that marriage is between a man and a woman and that sex outside of marriage is wrong. As for God telling us to go forth and multiply how can a homosexual person multiply? I know this argument isn't a very good one, but it is still somewhat valid. Gay men can not produce a family. I understand the desire of a family too. Although I can not say for anyone else who has the feelings I do, I can say the I myself have always wanted to adopt. I don't know if this arose form the fact that I may have realized that the possibility of me ever actually having my own kids are going to be very rare. Although if I am ever to find a woman to love I would still want to adopt rather than have our own kids.

I see what you mean about referring directly verses that directly relate to homosexuals and now that I think about it he did use some other verses. As for the Greek I am a skeptic about that. As I said we all interpret things differently and words have so many different meanings it can sometimes be hard to understand what the author originally intended.

I know that he isn't desperately looking for someone, but I just meant that as a gay person or even a straight person for that matter we could focus on other things in life than worrying about having to give up someone that we think we may love.

God Bless you as well.

 

[Daniel94]

Daniel, this was very well written. I thank you very much for tying some things together that I hadn't previously associated.

Thank you and your welcome . I try my best to make valid points, however, as I said I am no Bible expert.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

OFM MAYBE YOU COULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

I think he is our vice-president.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Okay, I haven't read all of the posts in this thread, but enough to know this is a tired argument we've had too many times before, and we're not going to change anyone's mind on the issue of homosexuality, so bringing up whether or not its a sin is completely off-topic. Most Christians in this forum seem to agree that it is a sin, though no worse than any other sin. On the extreme left, we have a few Christians arguing that homosexuality is not sin ... and we've all seen and either accepted or rejected those arguments. On the other extreme, we have a few who think homosexuality falls into a special category of sin that is worse than other sins, and therefore held to higher punishment, scrutiny, whatever -- again, we've heard the arguments pro and con, and no minds have been changed one way or another.

The only new issues at hand have to do with Chic-Fil-A.

1) What, EXACTLY, have they SAID, and then DONE, about homosexuality. Has the company established an anti-gay policy in all its stores, saying that it will not serve gays? Has it established an anti-gay policy so far as hiring, whereby openly gay employees will be terminated and/or will not receive promotions? Is there any action the company has taken explicitly against gays, other than the CEO spouting off his own opinion? And instead of "I heard ..." or "They say...." show me the money. Provide a reputable source (that means Fox News or better) where the corporation's policy is published as being anti-gay.

2) IF the company has an explicit anti-gay policy .... Are they breaking any laws by doing so? Do they have a right to exclude service to gays if they want? Most businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone. They rarely use that right, because most businesses don't care who gives them a dollar, they'll take it, right? If a bar doesn't want to give a drink to a smelly person, the barkeep can say, "You smell. Go away." If a grocery store doesn't want to sell groceries to a fat person, they don't even have to say why. They can ask the person to leave. That is their right.

And if it gets out that such-and-such groceries doesn't sell to fat people, you can bet that a lot of skinny and normal-sized people will stop shopping there, just as a matter of principal. That is their right.

And if a city council decides not to allow such-and-such grocery a business license, that is their right as well. City councils have denied business licenses for far sillier reasons. I know of towns that reject business applications because the business' logo is in a color that would clash with other business' logos.

Now, if you want to go shopping somewhere where you can be sure you'll never see a fat person, you'll probably go to such-and-such groceries. Perhaps such-and-such groceries has done demographic studies, and found that people really want the option to shop at a store where they can be sure they won't have to look at fat people, and that there are enough skinny and normal-sized people who feel that way that they'll make good money with that policy. Or maybe they just don't like fat people, which is their right, in which case they will lose business "the old fashioned way" -- fewer customers. Whatever. No lawsuits necessary. No "Equal Opportunity Legislation for Fat People" need be passed by any senates. People vote with their feet, with their money. If they don't like a way a business runs, they don't do business there. Simple as that.

So Chick-Fil-A doesn't like gays. Let all the people who don't like gays go eat their greasy chicken sandwiches, and the rest of us will enjoy our Wendy's or Burger King or whatever.

Why can't we all just get along?

 

[Nautilus]

Provide a reputable source (that means Fox News or better)

Hahahaha you just used Fox News and reputable in the same sentence...i know you didnt mean it though.