When are contraceptives allowed?

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OK so just find a better method? I don't know if you trying to make some sort of appeal tomy emotions with your post, but its not going to work.
 
There was an issue in Kansas last year, I believe, where abortion was not going to be covered whatsoever by insurance and if women wanted to have an abortion they needed to buy a separate plan all together that would cover future abortions. Kind of a "rape insurance". The statesman said that it is a woman's responsibility to plan to be raped much like we plan to get flat tire eventually and keep a spare tire in our car. What are you thoughts on this? Should women plan to be raped and impregnated once in their life?

If a mother's life is in danger, I have no doubt that the mother would want to sacrifice her own life to save her child's in childbirth. However, look at it from the viewpoint of the child. How would they feel? They lived while mom died. If dad's out of the picture, they go to orphanages and have a good chance of never being adopted. Never knowing the love of a family. Never knowing where the came from. Feeling the guilt of killing their own mother.My friend went through this and took his own life because he couldn't deal with the fact that he'd killed his own mother.

Why are we so quick to tell the mother "Your life doesn't matter anyway, so die."?
 
smithbr8 said:
There was an issue in Kansas last year, I believe, where abortion was not going to be covered whatsoever by insurance and if women wanted to have an abortion they needed to buy a separate plan all together that would cover future abortions. Kind of a "rape insurance". The statesman said that it is a woman's responsibility to plan to be raped much like we plan to get flat tire eventually and keep a spare tire in our car. What are you thoughts on this? Should women plan to be raped and impregnated once in their life?
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Surely not!

What bothers me most about that is insurance tends to make people more dangerous. Drivers with car insurance take risks they wouldn't otherwise. A study showed that if you wore protective gear on your bicycle, nearby drivers would come 3 inches closer to you on the road. Hospitals are more likely to treat babies with congenital defects (whose parents have insurance) than send them to more appropriate specialists.

I can only imagine that if a rapist hears women are spending money to prepare for him, this'll take a lot of guilt off his shoulders. Wonder what that'll do.
 
episcopotic said:
Surely not!

What bothers me most about that is insurance tends to make people more dangerous. Drivers with car insurance take risks they wouldn't otherwise. A study showed that if you wore protective gear on your bicycle, nearby drivers would come 3 inches closer to you on the road. Hospitals are more likely to treat babies with congenital defects (whose parents have insurance) than send them to more appropriate specialists.

I can only imagine that if a rapist hears women are spending money to prepare for him, this'll take a lot of guilt off his shoulders. Wonder what that'll do.
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I completely agree. However, I also believe that forcing a woman to have a baby because she didn't plan on being raped is just wrong. I'm not even talking late-term abortions. I'm talking the "morning after pill"- but that still is abortion technically to some.
 
Lindsay said:
WELL MY GOSH YES, it would be better to stop assault altogether, but that wont happen and anyone with a pea sized brain knows it wont stop. How long have people been trying to stop rape of
every kind and failed miserably. OF COURSE it would be better if rape never happened but it has and does and will. I am simply saying that at least pregnacy could be avoided by sterilizing ALL convicted rapists and pedophiles.

You have been consistant in your attacks on me. I believe it is because you dont read completely or that you simply don't understand what Im saying. If you would back up and read with an open mind rather than making an attack over one line or because you misunderstand wording, there would be no reason for you to attack. I believe you are LOOKING for something to attack and if that is the cause I forgive you. Please, move on.
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I have only replied to 2 of your posts. Giving a point of view is not attacking.
 
Ok, I have a question. Why is it ok to abort only in certain situations? rape, incest and so on.

My view is if it is ok for one then it should be ok for all. Is the fetus less human if it was concieved in a violent way or what?
 
Elizabeth619 said:
Ok, I have a question. Why is it ok to abort only in certain situations? rape, incest and so on.

My view is if it is ok for one then it should be ok for all. Is the fetus less human if it was concieved in a violent way or what?
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I respond with another question- Why is murder ok in certain situations? the mother's life is in danger, but the infant is more valuable.
 
Elizabeth619 said:
Ok, I have a question. Why is it ok to abort only in certain situations? rape, incest and so on.

My view is if it is ok for one then it should be ok for all. Is the fetus less human if it was concieved in a violent way or what?
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Looking at two 11 year old girls. Both blonde, blue-eyed. Which one's life is worth more? Choose which one will live and which one's life doesn't matter because her delivery will kill her, but the infant would live.
 
wolfywolfs said:
fine thats you but that is not for everyone it sounds like everyone should follow your examples but everyone is different some people mental abilities are weaker than say yours which is stronger some mother who do give birth to the rapists children can self harm suicide or harm the child. you need to think more about other people before jumping in and say "have the child".

as with abortion to save the mothers life again this also depends on a situation for example if my girlfriend got pregnant unplanned we agreed on an abortion because if she got pregnant with out taking certain medication first she and the child could die and we both agreed we want her and the child to live
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The fact that I believe that the unborn is human I think saving a life is more important than hurting someones feelings. Call it harsh or whatever. My view is it is MURDER.

If a situation came up where the child and the mothers life is at risk(tubal pregnancy) her decision is between her and God. It isnt an easy decision to make, and hopefully she will make the best moral decision. I will say I do feel for women who are in those types of situations. That is not an easy thing to deal with.
At the same time, wish a tubal pregnancy it is extremely rare for a child to be carried to term in the first place.
 
smithbr8 said:
I respond with another question- Why is murder ok in certain situations? the mother's life is in danger, but the infant is more valuable.
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Sacrificing your life to save another isn't murder. Please, answer my first question.
 
Elizabeth619 said:
The fact that I believe that the unborn is human I think saving a life is more important than hurting someones feelings. Call it harsh or whatever. My view is it is MURDER.

If a situation came up where the child and the mothers life is at risk(tubal pregnancy) her decision is between her and God. It isnt an easy decision to make, and hopefully she will make the best moral decision. I will say I do feel for women who are in those types of situations. That is not an easy thing to deal with.
At the same time, wish a tubal pregnancy it is extremely rare for a child to be carried to term in the first place.
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Doesn't matter. You have to choose. Who is more of a person? The mother or the fetus? Which one's life is worth disregarding if the mother is in peril and will die if she goes full term and delivers?
 
Elizabeth619 said:
Sacrificing your life to save another isn't murder. Please, answer my first question.
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In order to save the life of the mother, then yes. It is ok to abort. Why? Because under the law an infant is not alive until it draws its first breath. Suppose a pregnant woman go into labor and she and the infant are both found dead. If the infant had not drawn its first breath, then under the law, it was not alive and therefore not murder.
 
Elizabeth619 said:
Ok, I have a question. Why is it ok to abort only in certain situations? rape, incest and so on.

My view is if it is ok for one then it should be ok for all. Is the fetus less human if it was concieved in a violent way or what?
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is that your view on everything or just this
 
Elizabeth619 said:
Sacrificing your life to save another isn't murder. Please, answer my first question.
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Suppose it is in God' plan that a fetus be aborted. Please do not say God would not plan that. It's putting a limit on God. Suppose that the aborted fetus would be donated to stem cell research and that research from that single fetus provided enough information to save the lives of millions of children who are/would have suffered from CP.
 
smithbr8 said:
Looking at two 11 year old girls. Both blonde, blue-eyed. Which one's life is worth more? Choose which one will live and which one's life doesn't matter because her delivery will kill her, but the infant would live.
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Are you tallking about a real situation or is this made up? We can go rounds all day about this. If a situation like that occurs it is between her and God. It isn't easy to make that decision. Grasping at situations where abortion is "ok" isn't really a good way to look at this. Yes, I do believe he unborn is human. I do believe abortion is murder. I am also aware there are situations that either way you look at it the outcome is not good. I feel for those people, but trying to throw out scenerios where I back down from my view will not work.
 
smithbr8 said:
Suppose it is in God' plan that a fetus be aborted. Please do not say God would not plan that. It's putting a limit on God. Suppose that the aborted fetus would be donated to stem cell research and that research from that single fetus provided enough information to save the lives of millions of children who are/would have suffered from CP.
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Well, when you think about it... it should always be left up to God.

But don't expect me to say HEY I HAD AN ABORTION BC IT WAS GODS PLAN
 
Elizabeth619 said:
Are you tallking about a real situation or is this made up? We can go rounds all day about this. If a situation like that occurs it is between her and God. It isn't easy to make that decision. Grasping at situations where abortion is "ok" isn't really a good way to look at this. Yes, I do believe he unborn is human. I do believe abortion is murder. I am also aware there are situations that either way you look at it the outcome is not good. I feel for those people, but trying to throw out scenerios where I back down from my view will not work.
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Not trying to make you back down from your view. Just saying that you can't personally decide whose life is actually worth something. You can not say "Mom, your life is worth nothing and you deserve to die." The government can not say "You are not a real human being and you therefore you need to die so that this fetus in you can be a human once it takes its first breath."
 
smithbr8 said:
In order to save the life of the mother, then yes. It is ok to abort. Why? Because under the law an infant is not alive until it draws its first breath. Suppose a pregnant woman go into labor and she and the infant are both found dead. If the infant had not drawn its first breath, then under the law, it was not alive and therefore not murder.
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So you are going by government law to make your decision. I am going by the bible. I see our differences. Forgive me.
 
Elizabeth619 said:
Well, when you think about it... it should always be left up to God.

But don't expect me to say HEY I HAD AN ABORTION BC IT WAS GODS PLAN
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Not saying for you to say it's God's plan. But why is it ok to stop an abortion and say abortion would NEVER be in God's plan?
 
Elizabeth619 said:
So you are going by government law to make your decision. I am going by the bible. I see our differences. Forgive me.
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Even by the Bible. "If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. 23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise." Ex. 21:22-25

This states that if she has a miscarriage, husband may decide the punishment. But if she is killed, THEN the penalty of life for life kicks in.
 
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