John 10:30
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I think it means Christ was in unison with the Father's will and purpose on that matter, and any matter. Subject to Christ submitting His own will to the Father, of course. Jesus was basically saying "guys, whatever i've said to you, is exactly what the father would say to you, I am not contrary to His purposes or will or teachings, when you see me, you see Him, when you hear me, you hear Him. We are One. Not in substance, but in purpose, thought, will..".
Peace be to you
Read and pray for the answer.
Alot are going to try and tell you the answer and your going to read it and read a buncha opinions then your going to sit there thinking on it then your gunna read so more.Then say ay i kinda get it.
Then ask another question.
Alls you really have to do is be ready for the answer.Pray ,meditate.
This comes with time
one day i hope ya think about what i just said here and laugh.
Those who seek shall find
Love a friend in God
Read and pray for the answer.
Alot are going to try and tell you the answer and your going to read it and read a buncha opinions then your going to sit there thinking on it then your gunna read so more.Then say ay i kinda get it.
Then ask another question.
Alls you really have to do is be ready for the answer.Pray ,meditate.
This comes with time
one day i hope ya think about what i just said here and laugh.
Those who seek shall find
Love a friend in God
B
Seeing how your spiritual status is unsure at the moment, my advise to you is to read the verse in context and thereby find your answer with God's help as all wisdom comes from the Lord.
John 10:30I and my Father are one. 31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. 39Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
Jesus is saying more than just being of one purpose and one will. They are one and the same as in God.
To illustrate what the scriptures had been written to testify of Jesus..
John 5:39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
So we start at creation.... and since the scriptures cannot be broken, may the Lord help us to see what the Jews missed.
Genesis 1:26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
God said Let us make man in our image. So the plurality of God is known here, but... in verse 27, God is known also as One as in "So God created man in his image, in the image of God created he him; make and female created he them.
This was an oversight by the Jews when they crucified their Messiah as prophesied that they would.
http://www.mb-soft.com/believe/txh/proph.htm
If this had not occurred, the world would have seen Christ as the "conveniency" of all the prophecies being fulfilled if the Jews had not rejected Him, but because salvation is of the Jews, even now the disbelieving Jews are being indirect witnesses of Him. If only by believing that they are saved, and they are not to deny Him or they will be denied, the disbelieving Jews are condemned presently until he or she believes in this life that Jesus is the Christ to be saved.
This also proves that the scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit when they were written.
2 Peter 1:20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
John 10:30I and my Father are one. 31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. 39Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
Jesus is saying more than just being of one purpose and one will. They are one and the same as in God.
To illustrate what the scriptures had been written to testify of Jesus..
John 5:39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
So we start at creation.... and since the scriptures cannot be broken, may the Lord help us to see what the Jews missed.
Genesis 1:26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
God said Let us make man in our image. So the plurality of God is known here, but... in verse 27, God is known also as One as in "So God created man in his image, in the image of God created he him; make and female created he them.
This was an oversight by the Jews when they crucified their Messiah as prophesied that they would.
http://www.mb-soft.com/believe/txh/proph.htm
If this had not occurred, the world would have seen Christ as the "conveniency" of all the prophecies being fulfilled if the Jews had not rejected Him, but because salvation is of the Jews, even now the disbelieving Jews are being indirect witnesses of Him. If only by believing that they are saved, and they are not to deny Him or they will be denied, the disbelieving Jews are condemned presently until he or she believes in this life that Jesus is the Christ to be saved.
This also proves that the scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit when they were written.
2 Peter 1:20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Thank you all for your kind post but i will say that your answers are out of context....for the context go to john 10:23-30...
John 10:23 says And Jesus walked in the temple,in solomon's poch.10:24 says then the Jews surrounded him and said to him,"how long do you keep us in doubt?if you are the christ,tell us plainly."10:25 says Jesus answered them,"I told you ,and you do not believe.The works that i do in my father's name,they bear witness of me.10:26"but you do not believe,because you are not my sheep,as i said to you.10:27 says My sheep hear my voice ,and i know them,and they follow me.10:28 says and i give them eternal life ,and they shall never perish;neither shall anyone anyone snatch them out of my hand.10:29 says My father,who has given them to me, is greater than all;and no one is able to snatch them out of my father's hand.Then 10:30 says i and my father are one.(to conclude from the above verses I and my father are one means unity in purpose but not as one entity...(My father is a teacher and i am a teacher does not mean me and my father are one in unity but purpose of being a teacher)ok if 10:30 means one in unity(Jesus and God as one entity)then John 17:21 and 23 will mean you believe in 14 gods.God ,Jesus and the 12 deciples.they read as follows John 17:21 says That they all may be one ,as you.father,are in me ,and i in you;that they also may be in us,that the world may believe that you sent me.john 17:23says i in them(12 deciples),and you in me ;that they may be perfect in one,and that the world may know that you have sent me ,and have loved them as you have loved me...................
now lets go back to john ch. 10....after john 10:30 I and my father are one.10:31..says the Jews took up stones again to stone him.10:32 says Jesus answered them,Many good works i have shown you from my father.For which of those works do you stone me?10:33 says the Jews answered him,saying,for good work we do not stone you,but for blasphemy,and because you,being a man ,make yourself God.10:34says Jesus answered them,is it not written in your law,you are gods?(go to psalms 82:6)10:35if he called them gods to whom the word of god came (and the scripture is not broken)meaning to whomever the words of God came to calling them gods does not mean they are God but godly person.Jesus never claimed divinity.i rest my case.
John 10:23 says And Jesus walked in the temple,in solomon's poch.10:24 says then the Jews surrounded him and said to him,"how long do you keep us in doubt?if you are the christ,tell us plainly."10:25 says Jesus answered them,"I told you ,and you do not believe.The works that i do in my father's name,they bear witness of me.10:26"but you do not believe,because you are not my sheep,as i said to you.10:27 says My sheep hear my voice ,and i know them,and they follow me.10:28 says and i give them eternal life ,and they shall never perish;neither shall anyone anyone snatch them out of my hand.10:29 says My father,who has given them to me, is greater than all;and no one is able to snatch them out of my father's hand.Then 10:30 says i and my father are one.(to conclude from the above verses I and my father are one means unity in purpose but not as one entity...(My father is a teacher and i am a teacher does not mean me and my father are one in unity but purpose of being a teacher)ok if 10:30 means one in unity(Jesus and God as one entity)then John 17:21 and 23 will mean you believe in 14 gods.God ,Jesus and the 12 deciples.they read as follows John 17:21 says That they all may be one ,as you.father,are in me ,and i in you;that they also may be in us,that the world may believe that you sent me.john 17:23says i in them(12 deciples),and you in me ;that they may be perfect in one,and that the world may know that you have sent me ,and have loved them as you have loved me...................
now lets go back to john ch. 10....after john 10:30 I and my father are one.10:31..says the Jews took up stones again to stone him.10:32 says Jesus answered them,Many good works i have shown you from my father.For which of those works do you stone me?10:33 says the Jews answered him,saying,for good work we do not stone you,but for blasphemy,and because you,being a man ,make yourself God.10:34says Jesus answered them,is it not written in your law,you are gods?(go to psalms 82:6)10:35if he called them gods to whom the word of god came (and the scripture is not broken)meaning to whomever the words of God came to calling them gods does not mean they are God but godly person.Jesus never claimed divinity.i rest my case.
Even if Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, which He did, this affirms His divinity. If the Father is divine, which He is, then the Son must be also. Jesus never had to say "I am divine" for us to believe it. We know by what he said and what he did , that he is divine.
The point is, Jesus never claimed He was NOT divine.
We know Jesus was divine because of:
His authority over sickness and demons and natural elements and nature (water, animals, fig trees etc)
His ability to forgive sins
and many other examples
The point is, Jesus never claimed He was NOT divine.
We know Jesus was divine because of:
His authority over sickness and demons and natural elements and nature (water, animals, fig trees etc)
His ability to forgive sins
and many other examples
D
In John 10:30, Jesus is clearly stating that he is God. While God is One, in a way that man cannot understand, God is also 3. What is impossible for man is not impossible for God.
"I and the Father are one."
Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me
"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (John 10:30-33)
JohnPaul was a Muslim by the way, and was trying to test you by asking one of the classic questions which Muslim apologists often use. The best answer is simple Bible exegesis... to look at scripture and allow scripture to answer for itself.
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Asalaam Alaikum JohnPaul. If you seek to really know truth, then please email me and I will discuss the Injil, the Taurat and the Zabuur with you.
Subsequent to them, we sent Isa, the son of Maryam, confirming the previous scripture, the Taurat. We gave him the Injil, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Taurat, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous. (Sura Maryam 5:46 )
He sent down to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming all previous scriptures, and He sent down the Taurat and the Injil (Sura Al-i-Imram 3:3 )
The Koran confirms that the Old Testament (the Torah/Taurat and the Zabuur/Psalms and songs) and the Gospel of Jesus Christ/Injil are from God.
Faith comes through hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ (Romans 10:17)
"I and the Father are one."
Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me
"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (John 10:30-33)
JohnPaul was a Muslim by the way, and was trying to test you by asking one of the classic questions which Muslim apologists often use. The best answer is simple Bible exegesis... to look at scripture and allow scripture to answer for itself.
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Asalaam Alaikum JohnPaul. If you seek to really know truth, then please email me and I will discuss the Injil, the Taurat and the Zabuur with you.
Subsequent to them, we sent Isa, the son of Maryam, confirming the previous scripture, the Taurat. We gave him the Injil, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Taurat, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous. (Sura Maryam 5:46 )
He sent down to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming all previous scriptures, and He sent down the Taurat and the Injil (Sura Al-i-Imram 3:3 )
The Koran confirms that the Old Testament (the Torah/Taurat and the Zabuur/Psalms and songs) and the Gospel of Jesus Christ/Injil are from God.
Faith comes through hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ (Romans 10:17)
Your case may be reasted, and is seems you have put a lot of thought into this or have been taught extensively, however your conclusion is wrong. Jesus did indeed claim divinity John 14:7-9
John 14
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Jesus here does not say He was one with the Father, or the image of the Father He comes out and directly tells His disciples that He was the Father.
John 14
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Jesus here does not say He was one with the Father, or the image of the Father He comes out and directly tells His disciples that He was the Father.
B
I believe you should reopen your case. This is not about being a teacher at all, but the power of God in that no one is able to snatch any believer out of His hand, not out of Jesus' hand nor out of the Father's hand.
We are seperated from God by sin. Jesus being God the Son is our Passover Lamb. If Jesus goes to prepare a place for us so that where He is now, so will we be in the Father's mansion ( John 14:1-3), then by His grace we will be living with God again as partakers of His holiness.
The "gods" reference was to state how man is to judge righteously.
Psalm 82: 1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
God the Father claimed Him as divinity and so by His Word, He rests His case.
Matthew 3:15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Mark 1:9And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
John 1:32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Matthew 18:16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
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