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Laodicea

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Revelation 12:17

King James Version (KJV)

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 19:10

King James Version (KJV)

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Revelation 22:8-9

King James Version (KJV)

8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
 
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could you be detailed about how you keep the sabbath please?
use scripture hopefully.

Ex.20:8-11.
Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV)
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: [10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: [11] For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is , and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Yes, the world has forgotten to sanctify the Sabbath and that is the reason why we (the world) are in such a terrible state today.

Leviticus 23:1-2 (KJV)
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, [2] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the Lord , which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

Go to church

Isaiah 58:13-14 (KJV)
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord , honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: [14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord ; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it .

Don't do your pleasures on this holy day
 
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So take heed, to do any type of business transaction, pollutes and profanes God's Sabbath. There must be no buying and selling on the Sabbath, read Nehemiah 13:15-22. Understand the Sabbath is not a joke.


Nehemiah 13:15-22 (KJV)
In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals. [16] There dwelt men of Tyre also therein, which brought fish, and all manner of ware, and sold on the sabbath unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem. [17] Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said unto them, What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane the sabbath day? [18] Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath. [19] And it came to pass, that when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the sabbath, I commanded that the gates should be shut, and charged that they should not be opened till after the sabbath: and some of my servants set I at the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on the sabbath day. [20] So the merchants and sellers of all kind of ware lodged without Jerusalem once or twice. [21] Then I testified against them, and said unto them, Why lodge ye about the wall? if ye do so again, I will lay hands on you. From that time forth came they no more on the sabbath. [22] And I commanded the Levites that they should cleanse themselves, and that they should come and keep the gates, to sanctify the sabbath day. Remember me, O my God, concerning this also, and spare me according to the greatness of thy mercy.
 
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So when are you going to start a thread? Don't keep us in the dark about your faith. A pastor once said that if you throw a stone into a pack of dogs the one that howls is the one that is hit. The fact that you are howling so loudly against SDA doctrine shows that something has hit home
what nonsense.
i'm asking questions and posting information about SAD's prophetess, and you think you've thrown a stone into a pack of dogs making me howl?

all this shows is you can't defend your religion.

i object completely to a religion founded on the ecstatic, lying visions of a woman. i haven't even posted her outlandish lies yet.

if anything has 'hit home', it's that so many people try to connect it to biblical christianity. or look the other way.
if you're unwilling to defend the fullness of your religion, just say so.
 

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Ok, I am NOT going to sit here and bash anyone who keeps the Sabbath, but what I will do is explain why I worship on Sunday. If anyone is in disagreement with me feel free to post scripture as to where I am in error. I will be as respectful as possible.

Christ's Kingdom was established on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.)
This day is stated in Lev 23 that it is the day after the Sabbath (15“‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks. 16Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new grain to the Lord)

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread (this is pretty self explanatory

Now, as far as the Sabbath. From my understanding the Sabbath was strictly resrticted to the Israelites. Ez 20:12 12Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.... No one else was required to keep it. Only God's chosen people.

When the Law of Moses was fulfilled at the cross we were not longer required to keep the Sabbath.
God said he would make a new covenant unlike the one given to Israel, and there would be a change in laws.

If we are still to keep the Sabbath then why did Paul say Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. Col 2:16?
 
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does SDA teach anyone not "keeping the 7th day sabbath (friday night sunset to saturday sunset)" has taken the mark of the beast?

could you please explain in detail how you "keep" the sabbath.
thank you.
I keep the Sabbath by the grace of God :)

Anyone former or present Adventist or someone that knows the Doc. would know the mark has not come yet because its not forced yet.
 
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Ex.20:8-11.
Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV)
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: [10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: [11] For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is , and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
why leave out the part you don't like? the part you do not obey?

Exodus 35 2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

Yes, the world has forgotten to sanctify the Sabbath and that is the reason why we (the world) are in such a terrible state today.
then why aren't you completely obeying the command?

Exodus 35 2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

anyone not obeying the whole of this Law is a law-breaker, profaning the sabbath, by allowing it to be profaned.



this matter was decided 2000 years ago:


Acts 15 1 And certain having come down from Judea, were teaching the brethren -- 'If ye be not circumcised after the custom of Moses, ye are not able to be saved;' 2 there having been, therefore, not a little dissension and disputation to Paul and Barnabas with them, they arranged for Paul and Barnabas, and certain others of them, to go up unto the apostles and elders to Jerusalem about this question, 3 they indeed, then, having been sent forward by the assembly, were passing through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the nations, and they were causing great joy to all the brethren. 4 And having come to Jerusalem, they were received by the assembly, and the apostles, and the elders, they declared also as many things as God did with them; 5 and there rose up certain of those of the sect of the Pharisees who believed, saying -- 'It behoveth to circumcise them, to command them also to keep the law of Moses.'

6 And there were gathered together the apostles and the elders, to see about this matter, 7 and there having been much disputing, Peter having risen up said unto them, 'Men, brethren, ye know that from former days, God among us did make choice, through my mouth, for the nations to hear the word of the good news, and to believe; 8 and the heart-knowing God did bare them testimony, having given to them the Holy Spirit, even as also to us, 9 and did put no difference also between us and them, by the faith having purified their hearts; 10 now, therefore, why do ye tempt God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?11 but, through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, we believe to be saved, even as also they.'

18 'Known from the ages to God are all His works; 19 wherefore I judge: not to trouble those who from the nations do turn back to God, 20 but to write to them to abstain from the pollutions of the idols, and the whoredom, and the strangled thing; and the blood; 21 for Moses from former generations in every city hath those preaching him -- in the synagogues every sabbath being read.'

22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole assembly, chosen men out of themselves to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas -- Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren -- 23 having written through their hand thus: 'The apostles, and the elders, and the brethren, to those in Antioch, and Syria, and Cilicia, brethren, who are of the nations, greeting; 24 seeing we have heard that certain having gone forth from us did trouble you with words, subverting your souls, saying to be circumcised and to keep the law, to whom we did give no charge, 25 it seemed good to us, having come together with one accord, chosen men to send unto you, with our beloved Barnabas and Paul -- 26 men who have given up their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ -- 27 we have sent, therefore, Judas and Silas, and they by word are telling the same things. 28 'For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, no more burden to lay upon you, except these necessary things: 29 to abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and a strangled thing, and whoredom; from which keeping yourselves, ye shall do well; be strong!'

where's the sabbath keeping?

it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, no more burden to lay upon you, except these necessary things...

why do ye tempt God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
 
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I keep the Sabbath by the grace of God :)

Anyone former or present Adventist or someone that knows the Doc. would know the mark has not come yet because its not forced yet.
so the pope will force people to worship on sunday?

you keep the sabbath by the grace of God but not the part you don't like?
 

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so the pope will force people to worship on sunday?

you keep the sabbath by the grace of God but not the part you don't like?
Why does everyone think the Pope is responsible for everything being "different". I am not Catholic, and I disagree with their teachings too.
 
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Luke 24 1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices they had prepared.

Mark 16 1 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him.

Matthew 28 1 Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.


are Matthew Mark and Luke discussing the seventh day of the week or the first day of the week?
the Sabbath

the first day of the week

σαββάτων
sabbatōn
 
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so the pope will force people to worship on sunday?

you keep the sabbath by the grace of God but not the part you don't like?
No that just means I am not Legalistic. I said nothing about the pope.
 
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No that just means I am not Legalistic. I said nothing about the pope.
not legalistic? ok. so you esteem one day over another and have no problem with others doing the same, or esteeming all days the same, loving and serving the Lord and assembling as they will?


ok, my apologies re: the pope.
what is the mark of the beast according to SDA?
 
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not legalistic? ok. so you esteem one day over another and have no problem with others doing the same, or esteeming all days the same, loving and serving the Lord and assembling as they will?


ok, my apologies re: the pope.
what is the mark of the beast according to SDA?
We need to find what the mark of the beast is according to the Bible. The mark of the beast is a counterfiet of the seal of God. It will look like the original but is not. The issuf in Rev 13 & 14 is about worship, it is mentioned 8 times in those chapters. Those wo worship the beast receive the mark, those who worship God receive His seal.
 
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not legalistic? ok. so you esteem one day over another and have no problem with others doing the same, or esteeming all days the same, loving and serving the Lord and assembling as they will?


ok, my apologies re: the pope.
what is the mark of the beast according to SDA?

So your real issue is with the sabbath of the Lord.
 
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Laodicea

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Ok, I am NOT going to sit here and bash anyone who keeps the Sabbath, but what I will do is explain why I worship on Sunday. If anyone is in disagreement with me feel free to post scripture as to where I am in error. I will be as respectful as possible.

Christ's Kingdom was established on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.)
This day is stated in Lev 23 that it is the day after the Sabbath (15“‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks. 16Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new grain to the Lord)

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread (this is pretty self explanatory

Now, as far as the Sabbath. From my understanding the Sabbath was strictly resrticted to the Israelites. Ez 20:12 12Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.... No one else was required to keep it. Only God's chosen people.

When the Law of Moses was fulfilled at the cross we were not longer required to keep the Sabbath.
God said he would make a new covenant unlike the one given to Israel, and there would be a change in laws.

If we are still to keep the Sabbath then why did Paul say Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. Col 2:16?
The ceremonial Sabbaths are done away with but not the sabbath of the 10 commandments. Look at these verses from acts showing the early church kept the 7th day sabbath.
[FONT=&quot]Acts 13:14[/FONT]
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(14) But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]on the sabbath day, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and sat down.
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[FONT=&quot]Acts 13:27[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(27) For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]every sabbath day,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
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[FONT=&quot]Acts 13:42[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]the next sabbath.
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[FONT=&quot]Acts 13:44[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(44) And [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]the next sabbath day[/FONT][FONT=&quot] came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
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[FONT=&quot]Acts 16:13[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(13) And[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]on the sabbath[/FONT][FONT=&quot] we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
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[FONT=&quot]Acts 17:2[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(2) And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]three sabbath days [/FONT][FONT=&quot]reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
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[FONT=&quot]Acts 18:4[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(4) And he reasoned in the synagogue [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]every sabbath,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
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regarding Jesus being the Archangel Michael. Why would the author of Revelations call Jesus "Jesus Christ" 7 times "Jesus" 6 times "Christ" 4 times "Lord Jesus" once and "Lord Jesus Christ" once and then suddenly call the Lord Jesus by the name of Michael? as in Revelations 12:7


(I posted this on the other 7th day adventist thread, meaning for it to be asked in here so I apologize if anyone had to read it twice due to my error)
 
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regarding Jesus being the Archangel Michael. Why would the author of Revelations call Jesus "Jesus Christ" 7 times "Jesus" 6 times "Christ" 4 times "Lord Jesus" once and "Lord Jesus Christ" once and then suddenly call the Lord Jesus by the name of Michael? as in Revelations 12:7


(I posted this on the other 7th day adventist thread, meaning for it to be asked in here so I apologize if anyone had to read it twice due to my error)
SDA teach that Jesus is God equal with the Father. Michael means one who is like God, archangel means chief of the angels. SDA in no way teach that Jesus in an angel a created being.
 
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SDA teach that Jesus is God equal with the Father. Michael means one who is like God, archangel means chief of the angels. SDA in no way teach that Jesus in an angel a created being.

okay, I've read enough of this thread to gather that
, however "one who is like God" does not mean "is God" we are made in His image, but are clearly not Him. If I understand correctly the belief is that The archangel Michael is Jesus. If that is the case my question still stands.
 
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okay, I've read enough of this thread to gather that
, however "one who is like God" does not mean "is God" we are made in His image, but are clearly not Him. If I understand correctly the belief is that The archangel Michael is Jesus. If that is the case my question still stands.
Revelation 12:7 contrasts 2 warring parties with Michael and his angels (the chief of the angels) having war with Satan and his angels

H4317
מיכאל

mı̂ykâ'êl
me-kaw-ale'
From H4310 and (the prefixed derivation from) H3588 and H410; who (is) like God?; Mikael, the name of an archangel and of nine Israelites: - Michael.

We are made in the image of God but are not God. Likeness does not mean unlikeness
 
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I still don't see how that answers my question. Again, I read the reasoning behind why SDA believe The Archangel Michael is Jesus, I just want to know the answer to my question, if at all possible.