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Revelation 21 5 And He who is sitting upon the throne said, 'Lo, new I make all things; and He saith to me, 'Write, because these words are true and stedfast;'
Hebrews 7 11 If indeed, then, perfection were through the Levitical priesthood -- for the people under it had received law -- what further need, according to the order of Melchisedek, for another priest to arise, and not to be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 for the priesthood being changed, of necessity also, of the law a change doth come
Jeremiah 31 31 Lo, days are coming, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have made with the house of Israel And with the house of Judah a new covenant, 32 Not like the covenant that I made with their fathers, In the day of My laying hold on their hand, To bring them out of the land of Egypt, In that they made void My covenant, And I ruled over them -- an affirmation of Jehovah. 33 For this is the covenant that I make, With the house of Israel, after those days, An affirmation of Jehovah, I have given My law in their inward part, And on their heart I do write it, And I have been to them for God, And they are to me for a people. 34 And they do not teach any more Each his neighbour, and each his brother, Saying, Know ye Jehovah, For they all know Me, from their least unto their greatest, An affirmation of Jehovah; For I pardon their iniquity, And of their sin I make mention no more.
Hebrews 7 11 If indeed, then, perfection were through the Levitical priesthood -- for the people under it had received law -- what further need, according to the order of Melchisedek, for another priest to arise, and not to be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 for the priesthood being changed, of necessity also, of the law a change doth come
Jeremiah 31 31 Lo, days are coming, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have made with the house of Israel And with the house of Judah a new covenant, 32 Not like the covenant that I made with their fathers, In the day of My laying hold on their hand, To bring them out of the land of Egypt, In that they made void My covenant, And I ruled over them -- an affirmation of Jehovah. 33 For this is the covenant that I make, With the house of Israel, after those days, An affirmation of Jehovah, I have given My law in their inward part, And on their heart I do write it, And I have been to them for God, And they are to me for a people. 34 And they do not teach any more Each his neighbour, and each his brother, Saying, Know ye Jehovah, For they all know Me, from their least unto their greatest, An affirmation of Jehovah; For I pardon their iniquity, And of their sin I make mention no more.
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Melchizedek was both priest and king. Jesus is both priest and king and therefore could not come after the Levitical priesthood.
Exodus 34:28
(28) And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
The Law of God is now written upon the heart. It is written upon the heart and lived out in the life. The laws that were done away with was the laws of ordinances the ceremonial Sabbaths.
Colossians 2:14
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Exodus 34:28
(28) And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
The Law of God is now written upon the heart. It is written upon the heart and lived out in the life. The laws that were done away with was the laws of ordinances the ceremonial Sabbaths.
Colossians 2:14
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
they are not the same. at all. and you know it.
not the same word at all.
the sign indicated something, and the seal guarantees, attests to something.
the passage itself shows how wrong SDA interpetation is. it actually dismantles your legalism.
the sign was physical circumcision, the seal was specifically concerning the righteousness of faith he had before he was circumcised - faith in the promise! it says right there what the seal is about - imputed righteousness! this is the very same seal all who are saved by grace through are sealed by - The Holy Spirit!
σημεῖον, ου, τό
sémeion
a sign, miracle, indication, mark, token.
σφραγίς, ῖδος, ἡ
sphragis
a seal, signet ring, the impression of a seal, that which the seal attests, the proof.
this is just more evidence of how far SDA will go to defend the false prophetess Ellen White.
dishonesty.
and SDA will do all this, to lead back to the Fourth Commandment as THE SEAL! not the Holy Spirit, the promise, no, a LAW.
Romans 4 1 What, then, shall we say Abraham our father, to have found, according to flesh? 2 for if Abraham by works was declared righteous, he hath to boast -- but not before God; 3 for what doth the writing say? 'And Abraham did believe God, and it was reckoned to him -- to righteousness;' 4 and to him who is working, the reward is not reckoned of grace, but of debt; 5 and to him who is not working, and is believing upon Him who is declaring righteous the impious, his faith is reckoned -- to righteousness: 6 even as David also doth speak of the happiness of the man to whom God doth reckon righteousness apart from works:
7 'Happy they whose lawless acts were forgiven, and whose sins were covered;
8 happy the man to whom the Lord may not reckon sin.'
9 Is this happiness, then, upon the circumcision, or also upon the uncircumcision -- for we say that the faith was reckoned to Abraham -- to righteousness? 10 how then was it reckoned? he being in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision; 11 and a sign he did receive of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith in the uncircumcision, for his being father of all those believing through uncircumcision, for the righteousness also being reckoned to them, 12 and father of circumcision to those not of circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of the faith, that is in the uncircumcision of our father Abraham.
13 For not through law is the promise to Abraham, or to his seed, of his being heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith; 14 for if they who are of law are heirs, the faith hath been made void, and the promise hath been made useless; 15 for the law doth work wrath; for where law is not, neither is transgression.
not the same word at all.
the sign indicated something, and the seal guarantees, attests to something.
the passage itself shows how wrong SDA interpetation is. it actually dismantles your legalism.
the sign was physical circumcision, the seal was specifically concerning the righteousness of faith he had before he was circumcised - faith in the promise! it says right there what the seal is about - imputed righteousness! this is the very same seal all who are saved by grace through are sealed by - The Holy Spirit!
σημεῖον, ου, τό
sémeion
a sign, miracle, indication, mark, token.
σφραγίς, ῖδος, ἡ
sphragis
a seal, signet ring, the impression of a seal, that which the seal attests, the proof.
this is just more evidence of how far SDA will go to defend the false prophetess Ellen White.
dishonesty.
and SDA will do all this, to lead back to the Fourth Commandment as THE SEAL! not the Holy Spirit, the promise, no, a LAW.
Romans 4 1 What, then, shall we say Abraham our father, to have found, according to flesh? 2 for if Abraham by works was declared righteous, he hath to boast -- but not before God; 3 for what doth the writing say? 'And Abraham did believe God, and it was reckoned to him -- to righteousness;' 4 and to him who is working, the reward is not reckoned of grace, but of debt; 5 and to him who is not working, and is believing upon Him who is declaring righteous the impious, his faith is reckoned -- to righteousness: 6 even as David also doth speak of the happiness of the man to whom God doth reckon righteousness apart from works:
7 'Happy they whose lawless acts were forgiven, and whose sins were covered;
8 happy the man to whom the Lord may not reckon sin.'
9 Is this happiness, then, upon the circumcision, or also upon the uncircumcision -- for we say that the faith was reckoned to Abraham -- to righteousness? 10 how then was it reckoned? he being in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision; 11 and a sign he did receive of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith in the uncircumcision, for his being father of all those believing through uncircumcision, for the righteousness also being reckoned to them, 12 and father of circumcision to those not of circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of the faith, that is in the uncircumcision of our father Abraham.
13 For not through law is the promise to Abraham, or to his seed, of his being heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith; 14 for if they who are of law are heirs, the faith hath been made void, and the promise hath been made useless; 15 for the law doth work wrath; for where law is not, neither is transgression.
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you teach the archangel michael is God.
what's the difference?
if you can't take a critical analysis of your religion, i'm sorry.
you're not new to this, and appealing to compromise or acceptance of false doctrine is not going to happen.
in another post elsewhere you accused me of selfish motives in this - i'm not SDA, i have former SDA friends who were harmed, and SDA friends who are being harmed. i made that clear. my primary motive is to keep others from converting to SDA - a false religion based on the lies of a woman.
that's selfish?
what's the difference?
if you can't take a critical analysis of your religion, i'm sorry.
you're not new to this, and appealing to compromise or acceptance of false doctrine is not going to happen.
in another post elsewhere you accused me of selfish motives in this - i'm not SDA, i have former SDA friends who were harmed, and SDA friends who are being harmed. i made that clear. my primary motive is to keep others from converting to SDA - a false religion based on the lies of a woman.
that's selfish?
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you can refer to this. i agree with most of it.
Why I Do Not Place Myself Under the Sabbath
Jesus Christ, Our Great God & Savior - Sabbath or Sunday?
Why I Do Not Place Myself Under the Sabbath
Jesus Christ, Our Great God & Savior - Sabbath or Sunday?
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Ezekiel 9:4-6
(4) And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
(5) And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
(6) Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
Revelation 7:3
(3) Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
These two verses connects sign and seal. Revelation is full of OT quotes.
A sign or seal used with the same meaning in the Bible and always used in connection with some Law or legal document.
1 Kings 21:8
(8) So she wrote letters in Ahab's name, and sealed them with his seal, and sent the letters unto the elders and to the nobles that were in his city, dwelling with Naboth.
Esther 3:12
(12) Then were the king's scribes called on the thirteenth day of the first month, and there was written according to all that Haman had commanded unto the king's lieutenants, and to the governors that were over every province, and to the rulers of every people of every province according to the writing thereof, and to every people after their language; in the name of king Ahasuerus was it written, and sealed with the king's ring.
Daniel 6:8
(8) Now, O king, establish the decree, and sign the writing, that it be not changed, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.
Romans 4:11
(11) And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
This shows from the BIBLE that your accusations are false. Again I will ask you why don't you tell me what church you belong to?
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I do not mind discussing properly But yours is a spirit of criticism not of a seeker for truth. Why don't you tell me what your religion is or are you afraid of critical analysis? If I could not handle this I would not be here answering your questions from the Bible, even though you are aimed to criticize.
Your claim isn't even back by scripture.
You quoted two different scriptures that involve two completely different contexts under two completely different covenants and you want to claim just because both scriptures encourage their covenant holders to keep the ''commandments'' involved under their particular covenants they must all be the same commandments........dude I don't even know where to begin with this one. I'll just trust you can point out the problems with this one yourself.
God doesn't change, but His commandments certainly have. As much as you've read the Bible, you're just being intellectually dishonest by quoting this scripture from Malachi trying to act as if it is saying that God's commandments wouldn't change, when in fact they have changed. That scripture doesn't even say that His commandments do not change. It says God doesn't change. God has changed plenty of things, but His person never changes!!
You quoted two different scriptures that involve two completely different contexts under two completely different covenants and you want to claim just because both scriptures encourage their covenant holders to keep the ''commandments'' involved under their particular covenants they must all be the same commandments........dude I don't even know where to begin with this one. I'll just trust you can point out the problems with this one yourself.
God doesn't change, but His commandments certainly have. As much as you've read the Bible, you're just being intellectually dishonest by quoting this scripture from Malachi trying to act as if it is saying that God's commandments wouldn't change, when in fact they have changed. That scripture doesn't even say that His commandments do not change. It says God doesn't change. God has changed plenty of things, but His person never changes!!
Laodicea, SDA is not truth.
if posting that information (which you have heard before) is criticism, so be it.
as for this "spirit of criticism"? why aren't you responding to the information on the other thread?
you aren't required to at all. but not your not doing so, yet complaining about it being there means little.
you can choose #1 if it makes you feel better - it doesn't change the fact that many greater than i have examined SDA according to #3:
3. involving skillful judgment as to truth, merit, etc.; judicial: a critical analysis.
crit·i·cal   [krit-i-kuhl]
adjective
1.inclined to find fault or to judge with severity, often too readily.
2.occupied with or skilled in criticism.
3.involving skillful judgment as to truth, merit, etc.; judicial: a critical analysis.
4.of or pertaining to critics or criticism: critical essays.
5.providing textual variants, proposed emendations, etc.: a critical edition of Chaucer.
i answered. Reformed. i'm not dogmatic on all things the reformers taught, but go ahead, start a thread, do as you will. i may take part, i may defend the doctrines i agree with.
this one is: Re: I am a Seventh Day Adventist, Ask Me.
if posting that information (which you have heard before) is criticism, so be it.
as for this "spirit of criticism"? why aren't you responding to the information on the other thread?
you aren't required to at all. but not your not doing so, yet complaining about it being there means little.
you can choose #1 if it makes you feel better - it doesn't change the fact that many greater than i have examined SDA according to #3:
3. involving skillful judgment as to truth, merit, etc.; judicial: a critical analysis.
crit·i·cal   [krit-i-kuhl]
adjective
1.inclined to find fault or to judge with severity, often too readily.
2.occupied with or skilled in criticism.
3.involving skillful judgment as to truth, merit, etc.; judicial: a critical analysis.
4.of or pertaining to critics or criticism: critical essays.
5.providing textual variants, proposed emendations, etc.: a critical edition of Chaucer.
i answered. Reformed. i'm not dogmatic on all things the reformers taught, but go ahead, start a thread, do as you will. i may take part, i may defend the doctrines i agree with.
this one is: Re: I am a Seventh Day Adventist, Ask Me.
you want me to prove a negative.
your standard tiny list of NT disciples and apostles preaching to unbeliving jews (and gentile 'strangers' and prostylites) in their synagogues has been refuted for years and years. yet SDA continues to post them. you can do nothing less, for the whole religion (on the surface) is based on the 4th commandment. in fact, it has deeply occult roots, which i'll get to.
if you scroll down 1/2 through the site you'll find the examination of christians and sabbath keeping. why should i reinvent the wheel?
http://truthsaves.org/doctrine/sabbath.shtml <<
but because it starts off with Ellen White's name, you won't read it.
i'm sorry, Laodicea, but you have chosen SDA, not i.
your standard tiny list of NT disciples and apostles preaching to unbeliving jews (and gentile 'strangers' and prostylites) in their synagogues has been refuted for years and years. yet SDA continues to post them. you can do nothing less, for the whole religion (on the surface) is based on the 4th commandment. in fact, it has deeply occult roots, which i'll get to.
if you scroll down 1/2 through the site you'll find the examination of christians and sabbath keeping. why should i reinvent the wheel?
http://truthsaves.org/doctrine/sabbath.shtml <<
but because it starts off with Ellen White's name, you won't read it.
i'm sorry, Laodicea, but you have chosen SDA, not i.
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You've given me two examples that are not alike and neither of them holds the answer to my question. But I will answer these to the best of my ability. I will start with example 2.
example 2. Jesus is making the connection between The Father and Himself as being one. All Powerful in a way that the Jews would understand, which they did, as we see in the immediately following verse of John 10:30 " I and the Father are One" then they picked up stones to kill Him for blasphemy.
example 1. Jesus is speaking in the 3rd person regarding The relationship between the Father and the Son, so that people can see the workings of God in a teaching manner, not being distracted by a human face while speaking of that which is Heavenly, and/or so that they could figure it out as it was revealed to them (so they would hear and not understand.) much like the way He used parables.
the problem I have with these two examples in response to my questions is this. Jesus casts out demons with power. You are giving examples of Him teaching man. Two completely different situations. One is subtle (teaching) the other is very powerful and direct.
So I will ask again.
"can you find anywhere in the bible where Jesus or The Father cast out demons 3rd party?"
Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
example 2. Jesus is making the connection between The Father and Himself as being one. All Powerful in a way that the Jews would understand, which they did, as we see in the immediately following verse of John 10:30 " I and the Father are One" then they picked up stones to kill Him for blasphemy.
example 1. Jesus is speaking in the 3rd person regarding The relationship between the Father and the Son, so that people can see the workings of God in a teaching manner, not being distracted by a human face while speaking of that which is Heavenly, and/or so that they could figure it out as it was revealed to them (so they would hear and not understand.) much like the way He used parables.
the problem I have with these two examples in response to my questions is this. Jesus casts out demons with power. You are giving examples of Him teaching man. Two completely different situations. One is subtle (teaching) the other is very powerful and direct.
So I will ask again.
"can you find anywhere in the bible where Jesus or The Father cast out demons 3rd party?"
Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
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I have said it before and I will say it again. Jesus is God, He is not a created being. Michael means one who is like God, archangel means chief of the angels. If you people want to still insist that we make Jesus out to be an angel or we worship angels then you people are calling me a liar and are bringing in false accusations.
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Since you think Ellen White is a false prophet and that SDA doctrine is based on her writings then you should have no problem showing from the Bible that SDA doctrine is supposedly false. Let us stay with the Bible.
This link shows what the SDA doctrine is.
Adventist.org: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church
If you people are true and genuine you will stick with going over doctrines on this site and not to bring in critical sites. Also do not make me out to be a liar. I have said things and you people continue to tell me I believe and say the opposite.
This link shows what the SDA doctrine is.
Adventist.org: The Official Site of the Seventh-day Adventist world church
If you people are true and genuine you will stick with going over doctrines on this site and not to bring in critical sites. Also do not make me out to be a liar. I have said things and you people continue to tell me I believe and say the opposite.
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im not an SDA but i agree that unless YOU can provide scripture from the bible in which it says the sabbath is no longer to be kept you have no case. you cant just ask for proof it does have to be kept, it had been kept up until then, and what your basically saying is"well, Jesus never reaffirmed it had to be kept so that means it doesnt have to be kept, he just forgot to say that"
Lao, you are confusing my statements with someone else. In not one single statement I have made have I said that I thought you were making Jesus out to be a created being. That has absolutely nothing to do with my question.
my reference is to Michael the Archangel ( who is like God) (the chief of angels) as you put it
and the belief that the above stated is Jesus Christ.
So again, if we can go back to my question, and if not that is okay, but please stop going in different directions. Either address it or leave it for someone else please. Thanks
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