grearblue, I am not a part of the Hebrew Roots movement. She WAS right in that Jesus, Yeshua, did not come to start a new religion. She was also right that He came to show the truth to the jews first, then to the gentiles. Jesus Himself said
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
and in the Complete Jewish Bible
Mat 5:17 "Don't think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete.
Mat 5:18 Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah -- not until everything that must happen has happened.
in the Literal Version
Mat 5:17 Do not think that I came to annul the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to annul, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 Truly I say to you, Until the heaven and the earth pass away, in no way shall one iota or one point pass away from the Law until all comes to pass.
and in the Amplified
Mat 5:17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or [28] undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.
Mat 5:18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.
That is what Jesus, Yeshua, said about Himself, and I do not care to argue with Him. She was right about the mission of the Messiah, also, acording to the Messiah Himself.
God also did not always speak through Christians, or even humans
Num 22:21 And Balaam rose up in the morning, and saddled his ass, and went with the princes of Moab.
Num 22:22 And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.
Num 22:23 And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way.
Num 22:24 But the angel of the LORD stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on this side, and a wall on that side.
Num 22:25 And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again.
Num 22:26 And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left.
Num 22:27 And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff.
Num 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
Num 22:29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.
Num 22:30 And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.
Num 22:31 Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.
Num 22:32 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Wherefore hast thou smitten thine ass these three times? behold, I went out to withstand thee, because thy way is perverse before me:
Num 22:33 And the ass saw me, and turned from me these three times: unless she had turned from me, surely now also I had slain thee, and saved her alive.
If Balaam can learn from an ass, can I not learn from a Jewish girl? God came first to them, and up to the end of the gospels, God speaks through jews, including Jesus, because that was His Earthly linage. Hope I don't have to quote that!
By "normal" Christian, I meant like the 99% you find in most churches. hey sit back, don't think, and believe everything they hear from their chosen pulpit without question no matter how ridiculous it may be, and I'm not saying it is. Most of it is true, but my point is that no one pays attention. I have heard the term Hebrew Roots Movement and Holy Name movement but I have no idea what they believe, other than what is obvious from the name.
The girl showed me something that should have been obvious, but wasn't, at least to me. I said I prayed about it, sought it out in the Bible, and discovered what Jesus and the old prophets were trying to convey beyond the obvious meaning of the literal words. Jesus' parables can be taken literally as well as figuratively. If all you see is literally, you will never get it. You know that. There are other allegories and what you might call slang in every language, and even in the bible.
I drive a cab. If I were to tell you that I realized that driving a cab is somewhat like the Kingdom of God in that sometimes we run into stop signs and sometimes we run into yield signs and that we are to try to take someone along with us (like helping them find the Lord is like helping a customer find his destination) would you call that false doctrine or tell me I am spoiled or starting a new religion?
How can you assume I have fallen away, or become spoiled or am a part of some movement I know nothing about simply because I said I realized something I had not thought of before which enhanced my faith and made it more meaningful?
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
What does your spirit bear witness about me? Why are you so quick to judge, and so slow to consider?
Jesus DID come to fulfill the law, known to Jews as Torah, which He did. We keep the law by availing ourselves of Him, not by any physical works. In the original it says He FILLED the law, meaning that He IS the sacrifice, the tithe, the incense, and so on. If we have Him, the law is not only kept, but also filled and fulfilled. There is no more physical thing that I can do to come to Him. it is by faith only, and if He chooses to reveal a little bit more of what that means through a Jewish girl, I thank Him for that. He could have chosen a jackass. He taught Elijah through a flood, an earthquake, a fire and a still, small voice.
I didn't think anyone would twist my words into a false religion, and judge me with no reason other than I said I talked to a girl who happened to be Jewish, so I didn't go into detail. Had I known you were going to be so quick to judge and condemn someone you don't know anything about, I would have told you this and quite a lot more, before I posted.