God's Last warning Message

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Grandpa

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And stating that the second coming of Christ is purely spiritual, and happens on an individual basis, is error.

Really??? How do you suppose one is born again of the Spirit?

I believe that is how people are born again of the Spirit. The Lord Jesus comes and touches their spirit and makes it alive.

Ephesians 2:1-7

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus


1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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Really??? How do you suppose one is born again of the Spirit?

I believe that is how people are born again of the Spirit. The Lord Jesus comes and touches their spirit and makes it alive.

Ephesians 2:1-7

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus


1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Yep, and the world can't see it, and don't even know that a Great change has even happened.

Joh 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

Blessings
 
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Really??? How do you suppose one is born again of the Spirit?

I believe that is how people are born again of the Spirit. The Lord Jesus comes and touches their spirit and makes it alive.

Ephesians 2:1-7

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus


1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
We are not talking about the new birth. We are talking about the second coming of Christ. Two completely different things.

Yes, when a person acts on Rom 10:9, he is born again. He receives the gift of holy spirit from Jesus Christ, and now has spiritual life. That is the new birth, becoming saved, born again.

But Christ will literally return to earth one day, to fight armageddon, then set up the millennial kingdom. That's what Rev 19 - 20 is all about.
 
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Laodicea

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We are not talking about the new birth. We are talking about the second coming of Christ. Two completely different things.

Yes, when a person acts on Rom 10:9, he is born again. He receives the gift of holy spirit from Jesus Christ, and now has spiritual life. That is the new birth, becoming saved, born again.

But Christ will literally return to earth one day, to fight armageddon, then set up the millennial kingdom. That's what Rev 19 - 20 is all about.
What has that got to do with God's last warning mesage? The title of the thread.
 
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What has that got to do with God's last warning mesage? The title of the thread.
The thread got off track, as many do. This time it could well be my fault.

Sorry about that.
 

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That is true, another way to look at is that they have fallen from truth
2 Thessalonians 2:3
(3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Sounds like the Protestant reformation to me. Or perhaps an earlier schism?
 
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Revelation 14:9-12
(9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
(10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

This is God's last warning message to the world because it is given just before the harvest which is the end of the world. Those who are safe are those who keep the commandments of God.
 

loveme1

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Faith.

We must be cleaned by Yahshua the Messiah, we must accept our gift of Salvation given by grace.

The fruit that is born of this new seed we receive is striving to Keep the Commandments of Yahvah God.

When we are cleaned of sin, we desire to stay clean for our Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

We take not our gift for granted by continuing to trespass that which condemned us.... It is not love to take for granted our Salvation.

Love is doing what is pleasing to our Yahvah God not continuing in disobedience.

Teaching others that obeying him is wrong and accusing people of trying to earn Salvation.... is not born from this seed.

Salvation brings works

Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah always and forever and ever.
 
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That is true salvation does bring works also those who worship the beast or the image brings works. Revelation 14:12 talks about God's people keeping the commandments so that means those who worship the beast or the image will be lead to break God's commandments.

Revelation 14:9-12
(9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
(10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

loveme1

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That is true salvation does bring works also those who worship the beast or the image brings works. Revelation 14:12 talks about God's people keeping the commandments so that means those who worship the beast or the image will be lead to break God's commandments.
Well, let us pray that when our hour come we love our Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah more than anything else.

If that be so we will not be moved by fear of those that can kill only our bodies, we will be secure in our promise and not seek to save our life here, we will give GLory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah while our last breath be in us.

That is what we have come for, to give Glory and praise and witness of the truth of our Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

Let us renew our oil and not fall asleep with the rest...

For we know the truth and desire that more than mortal life itself.


Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah always and forever.

My heart say come Lord.
 
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The 3 angels message in Revelation 14 are given just before the harvest which is the end of the world
 

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That is true although they angel in Rev 18 adds to the 2nd angel
Revelation 18:1-4
(1) And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
(2) And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
(3) For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
(4) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Notice the similarities with this and the 2nd angel
Revelation 14:8
(8) And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.


The "three angels' messages" is an interpretation of the messages given by three angels in Revelation 14:6-12. The Seventh-day Adventist church teaches that these messages are given to prepare the world for the second coming of Jesus Christ, and sees them as a central part of its own mission. (Find out more about the beliefs of the church.)



Adventist interpretations

The Seventh-day Adventist Church has traditionally believed that it is the remnant church of Bible prophecy, and that its mission is to proclaim the three angels' messages.

Official views

"The universal church is composed of all who truly believe in Christ, but in the last days, a time of widespread apostasy, a remnant has been called out to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. This remnant announces the arrival of the judgment hour, proclaims salvation through Christ, and heralds the approach of His second advent. This proclamation is symbolized by the three angels of Revelation 14; it coincides with the work of judgment in heaven and results in a work of repentance and reform on earth. Every believer is called to have a personal part in this worldwide witness."

Fundamental Beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church [2]

"In accordance with God’s uniform dealing with mankind, warning them of coming events that will vitally affect their destiny, He has sent forth a proclamation of the approaching return of Christ. This preparatory message is symbolized by the three angels’ messages of Revelation 14, and meets its fulfillment in the great Second Advent Movement today. This has brought forth the remnant, or Seventh-day Adventist Church, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."

Seventh-day Adventist Church Manual[3]
The Mission Statement of the church declares:

"The mission of the Seventh-day Adventist Church is to proclaim to all peoples the everlasting gospel of God’s love in the context of the three angels' messages of Revelation 14:6-12, and as revealed in the life, death, resurrection, and high priestly ministry of Jesus Christ, leading them to accept Jesus as personal Saviour and Lord and to unite with His remnant church; and to nurture believers as disciples in preparation for His soon return."[4]

The image of three angels circling a globe is the church's former symbol. The current logo of the Seventh-day Adventist church has three flames encircling the globe, representing the Holy Spirit; the threefold flame is also a symbol of the three angels.[5]

Historical interpretation
According to the understanding of the Adventist pioneers, the first angel's message occurred during the two decades prior to the spring of 1844. The message of the imminent second coming of Jesus preached by the Millerite movement then fulfilled the prophecy of the first angel's message.


The second angel's message was then preached during the summer of 1844, which was preceded by a significant number of Millerites leaving the movement, and resulted in large numbers of Christians leaving their churches ("Babylon") and joining the Advent movement.[6]

The third angel's message is based on the idea that the "Seal of God" (Revelation 7:2) is the Sabbath commandment of the decalogue. Therefore, the "mark of the beast" is the opposite, or the keeping of Sunday as the Sabbath. Hence the close of the message, "here are they that keep the commandments of God." It is a point of emphasis among Adventists that the mark of the beast has not yet been given out.

(The Millerites generally interpreted "Babylon" in the Book of Revelation as the papacy, up through summer 1843. This was the position of most Protestants. Well-liked Millerite preacher Charles Fitch expanded it to include all Catholics and Protestants who rejected the Adventist teaching. His message was "Come out of her, my people", which was based on Revelation 18:2,4 (see also 14:8). This had followed a shift in 1843 when the Millerites received more ridicule, and were increasingly disfellowshipped by their churches. The Millerites came to see themselves as a separate group, which became increasingly necessary as many were disfellowshipped.

Most of the eastern leaders did not initially accept Fitch's pronouncements, yet many lay people did. Eventually and reluctantly Joshua V. Himes came to advocate the message, in Autumn 1844. Miller never affirmed it, despite being disfellowshipped from his church.)[7]

Standard view
When Jesus did not return in 1844 as expected by the Millerite movement, the resulting Seventh-day Adventist movement came to see itself as the remnant of God and believed that their mission was to preach the three angels’ messages again.

The first angel's message is the “everlasting gospel”, namely the “good news of God’s infinite love”. It is also a warning that the investigative judgment has begun and a call to worship the Creator of the world, specifically in the keeping of the Sabbath commandment. “The first angel’s message … calls for the restoration of true worship by presenting before the world Christ the Creator and Lord of the Bible Sabbath [which is] the sign of God’s Creation.”[8]

The second angel's message is a call to those in Babylon to “depart from her” (cf. Revelation 18:4). Adventists traditionally believe that Babylon represents the apostate church, which they identify as Roman Catholicism as well as Protestants who have rejected the truth. “This prophecy of Babylon’s fall especially finds its fulfillment in the departure of Protestantism at large from the purity and simplicity of the everlasting gospel of righteousness by faith that once so powerfully impelled the Reformation.” This explains why Adventists often aim their evangelism at Christians in other churches as well as non-Christians. “The message of the fall of Babylon … calls on those of God’s people who are still in the various religious bodies comprising Babylon to separate from them.”[9] However, Adventists have also made it clear that there are currently many true believers in “Babylon” who worship God sincerely, including Roman Catholics.[10][11]

Theologian Ángel Manuel Rodríguez explains the mission of the remnant in terms of the second angel’s message: “The end-time remnant is described in Revelation as having a God-given mission and a particular message to the whole world. They are to call the people of God to come out of Babylon, that is to say, to join the historical, faithful and visible end-time remnant of God.”[12]

The third angel’s message is a solemn warning against observance of Sunday as a sacred day, which Adventists have historically interpreted as the mark of the beast. “Those who reject God’s memorial of creatorship—the Bible Sabbath—choosing to worship and honor Sunday in the full knowledge that it is not God’s appointed day of worship, will receive the ‘mark of the beast.’”[13] It should be emphasised that Adventists believe that the mark of the beast will only be received at a future date, when every person on earth is made aware of their obligation to keep the Sabbath; in other words, Christians who currently worship on Sunday do not have the mark.[14]

Alternate view
Some in the more liberal wing, Progressive Adventists, typically reject the claim that the three angels' messages find unique fulfillment in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Adventists believe that God has led the Christian movements in history,[15] but progressives tend to not put Adventism on that level. Their view may be contrasted with certain of the harsher critics who do not see God's leading behind the movement at all.

Progressive Adventists such as Steve Daily have challenged the traditional understanding of the Remnant, preferring to widen the concept to include Christians in non-Adventist churches.[12] The traditional Adventist interpretation of the mark of the beast (i.e. Sunday worship) is also rejected by many progressive Adventists.[16] These developments necessarily call for a reinterpretation of the second and third angels' message; a widening of the remnant removes the impetus to call Christians out of Babylon and warn them against worshiping on Sunday.

Three Angels' Messages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


will you never stop this charade?
 
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Three Angels' Messages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


will you never stop this charade?
Every time I read your posts it is nearly always a copy n paste from a site. It shows that you always have to rely on others for your info and have nothing of your own. Why don't you read the Bible for once rather than other sites.
 
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A look at Revelation 14 will show the harvest which is the end of the world and the 3 angels message happens just before that and is a worldwide message according verse 6. That means the 3 angels message in Revelation 14 is present truth according to the BIBLE.
 
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zac1

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will the rapture of the church come before the new world order?
 
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Laodicea

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will the rapture of the church come before the new world order?
All God's people go together when Jesus returns. There is no secret rapture
 
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Every time I read your posts it is nearly always a copy n paste from a site. It shows that you always have to rely on others for your info and have nothing of your own. Why don't you read the Bible for once rather than other sites.
i do read the Bible.

Ellen White and Miller aren't in it.

neither is an investigative judgment nor a return in Mar. 21, 1844, or Oct. 22, 1844.
nor Jesus residing in ORION in a pyramidal 'new jerusalem'.

i realize you don't like it when SDA is exposed.
can't help you on that one.
 
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i do read the Bible.

Ellen White and Miller aren't in it.

neither is an investigative judgment nor a return in Mar. 21, 1844, or Oct. 22, 1844.
nor Jesus residing in ORION in a pyramidal 'new jerusalem'.

i realize you don't like it when SDA is exposed.
can't help you on that one.
You have not exposed anything because you never use the Bible. You only get your info from sites showing that you rely on others for your info and have nothing of your own.
 
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Just wanted to see if I could resurrect a zombie thread and people start arguing before figuring out it is a zombie thread. After all, arguing is where it's at, right?