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Correct: It is not a lack of self control but more being empowered beyond measure
by the Lord within us through total abandonment of oneself having given total control over to the Lord realizing that any gift or gifts of his spirit have not ceased and are from him the Father through Faith according to HIS will and HIS purpose under heaven
John 14:12
I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
Not of our own merit but that we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us
Acknowledging with all our heart mind body soul and strength that:
James 1:17
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows
As well acknowledging that we are nothing without him and that any good that we are comes from God herein as a believer we do not deny the power thereof from where it came, but recognize fully the Glory is Gods alone shown through us as his vessel
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
by the Lord within us through total abandonment of oneself having given total control over to the Lord realizing that any gift or gifts of his spirit have not ceased and are from him the Father through Faith according to HIS will and HIS purpose under heaven
John 14:12
I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
Not of our own merit but that we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us
Acknowledging with all our heart mind body soul and strength that:
James 1:17
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows
As well acknowledging that we are nothing without him and that any good that we are comes from God herein as a believer we do not deny the power thereof from where it came, but recognize fully the Glory is Gods alone shown through us as his vessel
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
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john 14;16-26,,,,,Luke 24;49,,,,, john 15;26,,,,there are many scriptures about the "holy spirit",,,,,,and there is no reason to say"if it's been discussed",,,,and apologize,,,,,,,most near all the post have re emerged across the years,,,,,,look up these scriptures,,,,,then research them more yourself,,,bear this in mind,,,,,many will say what it is to blasphemy the holy spirit,,,,,but in these scriptures Christ himself explains to us ,,,who he is ,,,what he will do,,,,,who will send him,,,,that he will ask for him to be sent,,,,,,that he will not leave you an orphan(without father/mother guidance),,,,that he would enter you,,,that he would teach you,,,bring all of the words spoken by Christ to mind(literally explain Christ to you),,,,,first look at who the holy spirit is,,,,,,,,the comforter,,,,,,but don't just believe me or any other,,,,,,,,look up who Christ himself said he was,,,,,,,,,when you know who he is and what he does,,,,,,,,and when you ask for him to come,,,,,,,there is one of you,,,,,,,and Christ he has ask the father to send the comforter to you,,and there is two,,,,,,,that is you(1) and the holy spirit(2),,,,,,,,Christ did not come in his own name he came in the name of the father and his witness was true,,,,,,,and as the lord said "where two are gathered in my name there also i will be",,,,,,,this is the most neglected of it that is if i am in the wilderness,,,,and the holy spirit is with me ,,,,,,,,,,we two are gathered in the name of the lord,,,,,,,i am never alone,,,,,,,,are you?,,,,,here is the foundation where another may look you in the eye,,,,,,,and have full knowledge that he is no more the teacher,,,,,,,,,
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I just want to add to my previous post
1 Samuel 10:6 (6) And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
1 Samuel 11:6
(6) And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly.
1 Samuel 15:10-11
(10) Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying,
(11) It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.
1 Samuel 15:26
(26) And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.
1 Samuel 16:14
(14) But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
Saul was filled with the Spirit but, because of his continual rejection of the working of the Spirit of God upon the heart then in the end the Spirit left him. He even went to a witch which is forbidden.
1 Samuel 10:6 (6) And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
1 Samuel 11:6
(6) And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly.
1 Samuel 15:10-11
(10) Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying,
(11) It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.
1 Samuel 15:26
(26) And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.
1 Samuel 16:14
(14) But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
Saul was filled with the Spirit but, because of his continual rejection of the working of the Spirit of God upon the heart then in the end the Spirit left him. He even went to a witch which is forbidden.
Learning what blaspheming the holy spirit scares me.. When my faith was at it's worse, after a major even took place in my life, I was twisting scriptures and misunderstanding them and polluting their meaning. I used to say what if Jesus was just satan and was just tricking us into following him... Have I messed up? This is a very bad realization for me..
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When I was younger and fell away from God I said some pretty blasphemous things and I wasn't exactly "ignorant" about it either. The devil never wants us to forget our mistakes but I'm confident God has forgiven me. If you are feeling guilt about it, then the Holy Spirit is still with you as far as I'm concerned.
Your statements help. Even if I did screw up eternally, I wouldn't want to let someone else do the same, so I will continue trying to walk in the light. I was reading another topic and someone said works without the backing of the Spirit are fruitless, so maybe that in itself will be the answer to my question..
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What is blasphemy? Denial, can be in many shapes and forms, all require one to have had made the Holy Spirit a part of , rather, THE decision leader of their life and rejected /denied His leading their life any more.
Laod said 'continual denial,, and, I will take it a step further, blasphemy of Holy Spirit happens when we deny Him, and it is like oxedwolf says, 'speaking evil,' against the Holy Sprit, but is MORE than that to, it is giving glory of things done in your life to YOURSELF, which is flesh, which is the pride that fell Satan too, it is continually denying God, is this 'blasphemy' against.Him FOREVER IN YOUR NATURAL BORN LIFE and never EVER asking for gorgiveness
Laod said 'continual denial,, and, I will take it a step further, blasphemy of Holy Spirit happens when we deny Him, and it is like oxedwolf says, 'speaking evil,' against the Holy Sprit, but is MORE than that to, it is giving glory of things done in your life to YOURSELF, which is flesh, which is the pride that fell Satan too, it is continually denying God, is this 'blasphemy' against.Him FOREVER IN YOUR NATURAL BORN LIFE and never EVER asking for gorgiveness
Chewy subject and something i have wondered as well.
The argument looks good for attributing something the Holy Spirit has done to Satan.
But, it worries me if it is so easy, because i have observed much, which is "of the holy spirit" and it certainly is not, it is man's imagination if not Satan for real. So, how is one then to address actual evil being done in the name of God, or attributed to the Holy Spirit, when it is indeed not? No, it is not a matter of opinion or a difference of doctrine, it is a situation where I know the whole story, they did not and it has heavily influenced a dear friend from being in fellowship with me - because "they were told the whole story" - only it was a complete fabrication (were it of God, "they" would have known the truth).
The argument looks good for attributing something the Holy Spirit has done to Satan.
But, it worries me if it is so easy, because i have observed much, which is "of the holy spirit" and it certainly is not, it is man's imagination if not Satan for real. So, how is one then to address actual evil being done in the name of God, or attributed to the Holy Spirit, when it is indeed not? No, it is not a matter of opinion or a difference of doctrine, it is a situation where I know the whole story, they did not and it has heavily influenced a dear friend from being in fellowship with me - because "they were told the whole story" - only it was a complete fabrication (were it of God, "they" would have known the truth).
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To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is to attribute the works of evil and the person of satan to the works of the Holy Sprit publically and insultingly the greek word and it's roots meaning is to harm and injure so serverely that the person (Holy Spirit) is wounded to the point He departs in tears. To insult to the point of harming emotional and every other way to the Holy Spirt that He leaves weeping. That is a transgression that is a personal wounding of THE HOLY SPIRIT whom is the most sensitive the indweller of us who are HIS temple.
Simply put, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is to attribute the works of the Holy Spirit to the enemy.
When looking at false/lying signs and wonders we need to use discernment to know that they are indeed from the enemy. Well God speaks to us directly, so we can ask Him
It's not simply denying God. If that was so, then Peter when he denied Jesus three times would have committed the "unpardonable sin"
When looking at false/lying signs and wonders we need to use discernment to know that they are indeed from the enemy. Well God speaks to us directly, so we can ask Him
It's not simply denying God. If that was so, then Peter when he denied Jesus three times would have committed the "unpardonable sin"
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the pharisees that attributed the work of Christ to the prince of beezlebulb were never saved Jesus warned them about blasphemy of the Holy spirit. Why the warning if they couldnt do it? If i didnt believe in God but i sinned against him would it not still be a sin against him? Of course it would weather i believed in God or not. You cant get rid of the Holy Spirit wheather you love Him or hate Him you cant eliminate nothing of the Holy Trinity. First off a Christian cant hate God because a Christian loves God and only someone who hates God would blaspheme the Holy Spirit. The holy spirit can be through with a person after rejecting salvation.
Three of the four Gospel accounts contain a reference to the statement made by Jesus concerning blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. These three passages read as follows.
This also applies today when someone accepts the Old Testament but does not receive the New. It also applies to those who accept both the Old and New Testament but do not accept the Saints or the Holy Mysteries. Thus all heresy is a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. St. Symeon the New Theologian explains this in his sermon titled Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit. He further declares that this condemnation comes upon all those who deny the gifts of the Holy Spirit continue always within the Church. Yet St. Symeon goes to great lengths, as do all the Fathers, to explain that it is always possible to draw near to God through repentance. For such, no sin is unforgivable nor eternal.
St. Cyril of Alexandria in his Commentary on the Gospel of Luke further says that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is blasphemy against the entire Holy Trinity. If one does not acknowledge the entire Holy Trinity - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - then he also blasphemes against the Holy Spirit. St. Gregory of Nyssa affirms this also in his treatise Against the Macedonians: "Perhaps this is the blasphemy against our Law Giver for which the judgment without remission has been decreed; since in Him the entire Being, Blessed and Divine, is insulted also. As the devout worshipper of the Spirit sees in Him the glory of the Only-begotten, and in that sight beholds the image of the Infinite God, and by means of that image makes an outline, upon his own cognition, of the Original, so most plainly does this condemner (of the Spirit), whenever he advances any of his bold statements against the glory of the Spirit, extend, by virtue of the same reasoning, his profanity to the Son, and beyond Him to the Father."
St. Barsanuphius of Optina told a disciple that when an Orthodox person falls away from the Orthodox Faith, that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
When the blessed Elder Paisios of Mount Athos was asked about what the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is, he responded by saying: "Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is in general disregard for holy and sacred things, provided of course, the person is sane...it is impossible for blasphemy to exist in a devout person." He further says that those impudent people who justify their fall into sin in turn justify the devil, thus committing a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and opening themselves up to demonic attacks. Such a person never enters into God's peace and rest. Thus he says: "Impudent people are at the first level of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Those who despise and scorn the sacred and holy things are at the second level, and at the third level is the devil himself."
In diagnosing blasphemy, St. John of the Ladder simply writes: "Unspeakable blasphemy is the child of dreadful pride."
St. Kosmas Aitolos warned in a sermon: "And how is it that you dare, O foolish and evil man, to blaspheme and take God's name in vain? The same with that of the Saints? Aren't you afraid, you most wretched one, that the earth might open up and swallow you? The devil doesn't dare to curse the name of God because he is afraid that lightning might fall and burn him, and you, insignificant man, open your damned mouth and take God's name in vain? Woe to those who curse the name of God, because a river of flaming fire will burn them forever."
With the same love and concern the blessed Elder Philotheos Zervakos counsels one of his spiritual children when he writes: "For you to say that you will not give up blasphemy is to say that you will not obey God, but rather that you wish to obey the devil who rejoices when you blaspheme against God. You will be condemned with the devil to the eternal fire that is prepared for him and his angels and all those who follow him and repeat his blasphemies. Therefore I entreat you act like a reasonable person and repent. Sing hymns and spiritual songs to the Lord, not blasphemies, before death comes, for in Hades and after death there is no repentance...Do not put it off, for death comes unexpectedly."
From what we read in the Holy Fathers, therefore, blasphemy against God is every bit as grievous as our Lord Jesus makes it out to be.
"Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matthew 12:31-32).
"Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation—because they said, 'He has an unclean spirit'" (Mark 3:28-30).
"And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven" (Luke 12:10).
According to St John Chrysostom in his commentary on the Gospel of Matthew, the reason blasphemy against the Son of Man is forgiven while that of the Holy Spirit is not is because the Jews knew nothing of the Son of Man, who He might be, but they had ample experience of the Holy Spirit through the words and signs of the Prophets while all in the Old Testament had a high notion of Him. If one is thus at first offended that God has taken on human flesh, then this is pardonable. But throughout the Scriptures the Holy Spirit was amply revealed and since the Jews of Jesus' time could not discern the same Holy Spirit that the Prophets revealed in the words of Jesus who is the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets, then they will not be forgiven. On top of that Jesus was casting out devils and working cures among the people in the power of the Holy Spirit and even raising the dead like the Prophets before Him, and they still could not discern that it was the same Holy Spirit doing these things that did them through the Prophets before Him. Instead in their depravity they called the works of the Holy Spirit a product of Satan. This cannot be forgiven. As St. Athanasius the Great says: "The Savior when before He rebuked them for many sins exhorted them to repent; but when they said, 'He casts out devils by Beelzebub,' He speaks of this no longer as a sin, but as blasphemy so great, that on those who dared this, punishment must come, without escape or pardon." Furthermore, St. Basil the Great explains that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is to attribute His operations to the opposite spirit. He says that this is done by attributing any gifts of the Holy Spirit upon the Saints as being from the devil. And the condemnation of the Jews is worsened over the fact that the Gentiles were able to discern the Holy Spirit through the teaching and miracles of the Apostles while these teachers of the Law could not discern Him.This also applies today when someone accepts the Old Testament but does not receive the New. It also applies to those who accept both the Old and New Testament but do not accept the Saints or the Holy Mysteries. Thus all heresy is a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. St. Symeon the New Theologian explains this in his sermon titled Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit. He further declares that this condemnation comes upon all those who deny the gifts of the Holy Spirit continue always within the Church. Yet St. Symeon goes to great lengths, as do all the Fathers, to explain that it is always possible to draw near to God through repentance. For such, no sin is unforgivable nor eternal.
St. Cyril of Alexandria in his Commentary on the Gospel of Luke further says that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is blasphemy against the entire Holy Trinity. If one does not acknowledge the entire Holy Trinity - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - then he also blasphemes against the Holy Spirit. St. Gregory of Nyssa affirms this also in his treatise Against the Macedonians: "Perhaps this is the blasphemy against our Law Giver for which the judgment without remission has been decreed; since in Him the entire Being, Blessed and Divine, is insulted also. As the devout worshipper of the Spirit sees in Him the glory of the Only-begotten, and in that sight beholds the image of the Infinite God, and by means of that image makes an outline, upon his own cognition, of the Original, so most plainly does this condemner (of the Spirit), whenever he advances any of his bold statements against the glory of the Spirit, extend, by virtue of the same reasoning, his profanity to the Son, and beyond Him to the Father."
St. Barsanuphius of Optina told a disciple that when an Orthodox person falls away from the Orthodox Faith, that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
When the blessed Elder Paisios of Mount Athos was asked about what the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is, he responded by saying: "Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is in general disregard for holy and sacred things, provided of course, the person is sane...it is impossible for blasphemy to exist in a devout person." He further says that those impudent people who justify their fall into sin in turn justify the devil, thus committing a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and opening themselves up to demonic attacks. Such a person never enters into God's peace and rest. Thus he says: "Impudent people are at the first level of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Those who despise and scorn the sacred and holy things are at the second level, and at the third level is the devil himself."
In diagnosing blasphemy, St. John of the Ladder simply writes: "Unspeakable blasphemy is the child of dreadful pride."
St. Kosmas Aitolos warned in a sermon: "And how is it that you dare, O foolish and evil man, to blaspheme and take God's name in vain? The same with that of the Saints? Aren't you afraid, you most wretched one, that the earth might open up and swallow you? The devil doesn't dare to curse the name of God because he is afraid that lightning might fall and burn him, and you, insignificant man, open your damned mouth and take God's name in vain? Woe to those who curse the name of God, because a river of flaming fire will burn them forever."
With the same love and concern the blessed Elder Philotheos Zervakos counsels one of his spiritual children when he writes: "For you to say that you will not give up blasphemy is to say that you will not obey God, but rather that you wish to obey the devil who rejoices when you blaspheme against God. You will be condemned with the devil to the eternal fire that is prepared for him and his angels and all those who follow him and repeat his blasphemies. Therefore I entreat you act like a reasonable person and repent. Sing hymns and spiritual songs to the Lord, not blasphemies, before death comes, for in Hades and after death there is no repentance...Do not put it off, for death comes unexpectedly."
From what we read in the Holy Fathers, therefore, blasphemy against God is every bit as grievous as our Lord Jesus makes it out to be.