Why A Christian Cannot Be A Mason

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John 7:The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

John 15: 18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

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The first question asked a candidate, as he enters the Entered Apprentice Degree, is if he believes in God. They do not ask which god, and any will do. The Masons refer to God as "Supreme Architect of the Universe, Supreme Grand Master, or the Nameless One of a hundred Names." At the beginning stages they teach that God's name was lost with the death of Hiram Abrif. Then, in the higher order, the Royal Arch degree (York Rite) they learn his name is Jahbulon. The name Jahbulon is a composite term, joining Jehovah with two pagan gods - the evil Canaanite deity Baal (Jer. 19:5; Judges 3:7;10:6) and the Egyptian god Osiris. More commonly they use the initials JBO for the name. Only three Masons of a higher degree can pronounce the name in a whisper.


James 4:4Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

2 Corinthians 6:14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

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Many Masons defend the taking of this vow as being symbolic, but God does not take any vow lightly. A believer taking this vow is being identified with Freemasonry and thus seen as making an agreement.

Matthew 12: 36But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.


Numbers 30: 2If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.

Ecclesiastes 5: 4When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed. 5Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay. 6Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands? 7For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.

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Matthew 5:33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. 7Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. 9A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. 10I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

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John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 7:13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

1 John 2: 18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. 29If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

Christians are to stand apart from freemasonry because of what is being taught within. It does not matter if your particular lodge does not do it. Freemasonry stands as identified with the world, and one cannot be a Mason unless they take the Entered Apprentice Degree. No more rationalization. Get out and be a witness of Jesus Christ by your faith and not by freemasonry.

1 Corinthians 15:33Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 34Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Ephesians 5:13But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. 15See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,16Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Romans 13:10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 11And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13Let us walk honestly, as in the day;........
 
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True no Mason is truly a Christian.
No. That is not true.

Every believer has been bought with a price and sealed as His. Every believer found in Freemasonry are not abiding in Him.

No believer should swear falsely. All the Lord has delivered from freemasonry has forgiven them of their sin of swearing falsely and has set them free from that yoke of bondage for He is able.

1 John 1:9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Galatians 5: 1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Remember this promise from God.

John 3: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The call is to be ready for the Bridegroom and to be found without offense when He appears as our faith is in the Lord to live by.

Philippians 1:6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: .... 9And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

2 Timothy 2:19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

2 Timothy 2: 11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

1 John 3:3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
 
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I was agreeing with you. What are you disagreeing with? Freemasons are not Christians even if some confess to be.
 
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I was agreeing with you. What are you disagreeing with? Freemasons are not Christians even if some confess to be.
Sometimes the use of words are not always clear in our communication.

Not all masons believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. Those that do, err by being a member of freemasonry. In God's eyes, those that believe in Christ Jesus as the Son of God are christians, but by being a member of freemasonry, they have made an agreement with the world and have sworn falsely in being identified with freemasonry. In other words, believers in Jesus Christ need to come out of freemasonry just as much as believers in Jesus Christ need to come out of catholicism. Those that believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God are christians, but as in any relationship based on trust, we need to be careful how we build on that faith in being witnesses of Him as standing apart from the world.

So those believers in Jesus Christ as the Son of God that are in freemasonry are christians as they have been bought with a price and selaed as His, but they are not abiding in Him. It does not mean they cease to be His. The prodigal son is still son. We, as believers in Jesus Christ, need to correct the wayward in love, trusting in God to recover some from the deceitful doctrines of man as well as the snare of the devil.

Ephesians 4: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

So a christian that is in freemasonry is still a christian, but they are not abiding in Him as a christian. They need to come out of freemasonry to continue to grow in Christ.
 
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Maybe it should read: No person, currently involved in Free Masonry, can be a Christian, because one cannot serve two gods at the same time.
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Maybe it should read: No person, currently involved in Free Masonry, can be a Christian, because one cannot serve two gods at the same time.
Maggie
Clearer still....

No believer currently involved in FreeMasonry cannot serve two gods at the same time. One cannot deny the Son in one place and confess Him in another. One cannot honour God by any other way than through the Son. Let the faith of the believer stand apart from the teachings of freemasonry by leaving freemasonry. Remain in it, and that faith is hidden under a bushel.
 
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I don't think it's so black and white. New masons are not told or aware of the spiritual nature of masonry until higher up in the ranks. Freemasonry is not intended to be anti-religion or against any particular religion. It's basically a club for men.

For the KJV lovers, check out the possible connections between King James and freemasonry.

Was the one true only english authorized translation authorized by a free mason?
 
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My grandfather is a mason. Him and my dad always yell at each other because of it lol this is kinda how the conversation goes.. "dad.. im worried about you being a mason ! "SHUT UP AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS SON!" then thats it LOL
 
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Was the one true only english authorized translation authorized by a free mason?
Then we might see, that the separation between christianity and freemasonry is not so black and white and clear. Neither does a freemason necessarily mean they are not a christian. Just as a person belonging to rotary club doesn tmean they arent a christian.
 
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I don't think it's so black and white. New masons are not told or aware of the spiritual nature of masonry until higher up in the ranks. Freemasonry is not intended to be anti-religion or against any particular religion. It's basically a club for men.

For the KJV lovers, check out the possible connections between King James and freemasonry.

Was the one true only english authorized translation authorized by a free mason?
Was freemasonry behind the translation of the King James Bible? No. They would have changed it like others did in the CEV about making vows: Matthew 5:33-37.

Matthew 5: 33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. KING JAMES BIBLE

Do note verse 36 above as the point of why Jesus said not to make vows. We cannot do His work in us by making vows to do it.

Matthew 5: 33You know that our ancestors were told, "Don't use the Lord's name to make a promise unless you are going to keep it." 34But I tell you not to swear by anything when you make a promise! Heaven is God's throne, so don't swear by heaven. 35The earth is God's footstool, so don't swear by the earth. Jerusalem is the city of the great king, so don't swear by it. 36Don't swear by your own head. You cannot make one hair white or black. 37When you make a promise, say only "Yes" or "No." Anything else comes from the devil. Contemporary English Version

Freemasonry would love the CEV Bible over the KJV as the CEV makes it okay to make promises, but just don't swear by it, and yet the KJV spoke of how people of old time had performed their oathes unto the Lord as required by law, but He went on to say.. don't swear at all... and then went to the types of oathes that vowers would bind their vows to God by in declaring that they will do it and finisih it... because NOW, God Whom has started a good work in us, we are to have faith in the Son of God that He will finish so that we may be witnesses of Him and His workmanship in us and not ours. We are not to tack our filthy rags of righteousness over what Christ has done.

Just because King James authorized this translation, it does not mean that freemasonry had anything to do with it by association. That would make all of England a freemason then.

Did you know that the King James Bible is not the only one "adhered" to in Freemasonry? Hardly called that respecting their authorization of the King James Bible if freemasonry had done so. So the authorization of the Bible by King James does not make the Bible as authorized by Freemasonry.

The temple contains a sacred altar on which is placed either a Bible, Koran, or another book called the Volume of Sacred Law depending on the beliefs of the membership of the lodge. A Jewish lodge will have the Pentateuch placed on the altar.

I rely on the King James Bible for discerning the truth in the actual meaning of God's word against apostasy.
 
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Then we might see, that the separation between christianity and freemasonry is not so black and white and clear. Neither does a freemason necessarily mean they are not a christian. Just as a person belonging to rotary club doesn tmean they arent a christian.
Matthew 5:33-37 will make the seperation betwen christianity and freemasonry as Christ will in according to Malachi 3:5.

Judgment is coming on the House of God as a fire that is coming on ungodly men, we shall see a sample of judgment as to why those that profess Jesus would be left behind at the rapture event to go through the great tribulation.

Malachi 3:1Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. 2But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: 3And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. 4Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years. 5And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts. 6For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. 7Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? 8Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. 9Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. 10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. 11And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. 12And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts. 13Your words have been stout against me, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee? 14Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the LORD of hosts? 15And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered. 16Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. 17And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. 18Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

By His grace, what I share next is out of season, but permissable by His Word.

Those that are seeking another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues should beware that passage in red. Many will say the same thing as if by going arond Jesus or instead of to Jesus by going to the Holy Spirit, they do not see themselves as departing from Jesus to see the need for "return".

Is the meat the word? Then by robbing them of the word by which we are edified by to grow in Christ, we find those wayward believers still reliving Pentecost as unable to hold the new wine. It is no wonder when Christ appear, they will be out to the market still to fill the wine vessels with the oil they need, but thanks to Jesus, they will shine afterwards when being left behind will restore them to the path of righteousness for His name's sake so they will be witnesses of what He has done to share the Good News to others and not glorify the Day of Pentecost as a name above His name.

1 Corinthians 3:1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Hebrews 5: 11Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

To preach another baptism of the Holy Spirit when the faith declares that there is only one at salvation is the line of discernment given.

As Jesus is the only way to God the Father as in to God... is the line of discernment given that one does not seek the Holy Spirit when He is already in us as promised.

The self examination of faith is the line of discernment given that He is in us to avoid the hypocrisey of those falling away from the faith in seeking another spirit to receive which is after the rudiment of the world by seeking after the Holy Spirit directly "instead of Christ" as others in the world seek after other spirits.

So to strive ye to enter through the straight gate means... go to Jesus only. It is by Him, we have access to the Father. That is the only way to avoid false spirits and false prophets. Luke 13:24 & Matthew 7:13-15

May God cause the increase to have you ready before He appears, brother, but if not, I have confidence that He will keep His word and finish His work even in those left behind.

And yes, I need Jesus just as much as you do too so no, I am not better than you. Just voicing my concern for you as I hope to see you there at the Marriage Supper.
 
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Just because King James authorized this translation, it does not mean that freemasonry had anything to do with it by association. That would make all of England a freemason then.
You would think that the KJV is innocent, well maybe not so. Freemasonry being the secret society which it is, and was even more so back then, subtlely had its influence in the KJV. Of course, the meaning of the text is probably not changed, which is a relief for us today. But why do you think the 1611 KJV has often been called the "Freemason's bible"? This is still the edition used in freemason rituals.

Freemasonry was rife in the Church of England and still is today. Why even today the head of the COE, Archibishop of Canterbury, is a druid!.

There are also connections with the southern baptists and the KJV-only movement.

The KJV was the bible written by and for the Church of England, mainly to replace the Bishop's bible and they didn't like the Geneva one.

What is the influence of freemasonry on the KJV?

They apparently changed numbers for verses in the KJV as per masonic number games.

The original KJV was constructed as the freemasons would have it. Sir Francis Bacon, King James I, and the Knights of the Helmet structured the KJV to be two pillars with a 33 in the middle. Psalm 117 , being the middle chapter of the bible and the shortest, was made to contain exactly 33 words:
This was done by writing the word forever as two words, for ever.

Psa 117:1 O praiseH1984 (H853) the LORD,H3068 allH3605 ye nations:H1471 praiseH7623 him, allH3605 ye people.H523
Psa 117:2 ForH3588 his merciful kindnessH2617 is greatH1396 towardH5921 us: and the truthH571 of the LORDH3068endureth for ever.H5769 PraiseH1984 ye the LORD.H3050

There is more about the freemasonry input to the KJV here:

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/k1002.cfm

Of course we know the significance of the number 33 in masonry. It's the freemason's signature. So that freemasonry signature is stamped right into the KJV.

Likewise, the Pentagon in D.C. is a symbol of the 33 degrees of masonry. Its angles are even at 33 degrees.

Start to get the picture now?

So there are problems if we say . "you cannot be a christian and a freemason". Freemasonry seems to be throughout a lot of church denominations today. If it is true that you cannot be a christian and a freemason, then perhaps to be a christian, is not to use the freemason's bible at all, or attend any of the denominations with masonic influences. Or, we can see that the issue is not so black and white afterall. Perhaps to "leave freemasonry", is to leave the 1611 KJV alone, and leave whichever denomination you belong to, particularly if it is Church of England or perhaps southern baptist, Uniting, etc.
 
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You would think that the KJV is innocent, well maybe not so. Freemasonry being the secret society which it is, and was even more so back then, subtlely had its influence in the KJV. Of course, the meaning of the text is probably not changed, which is a relief for us today.
Should be more than a relief but proof that they had no influence just like the RCC had none otherwise if they had little influence, then they would be able to have alot of influence.

But why do you think the 1611 KJV has often been called the "Freemason's bible"? This is still the edition used in freemason rituals.
You are the one saying that. You are the first I had heard it from. I am certain that many users of the KJV are not aware that the Freemason has chosen the KJV as their Bible. One cannot see the validity of that statement when they permit the supplantation of the 1611 KJV by use of other "sacred books".

Freemasonry was rife in the Church of England and still is today. Why even today the head of the COE, Archibishop of Canterbury, is a druid!.
And so were many of our Presidents. As George Bush had a book, "The Fait of George Bush", does that now make the faith a freemason's faith or that christianity is the offical religion of freemasonry?

There are also connections with the southern baptists and the KJV-only movement.
There are connections to the Pentecostal/ Charismatic movements by use of the Non-KJV Bibles. There are connections to the ignoring of the offenses of idols in the non-KJV Catholic Bibles. Since using the KJV, I have the scriptures that tells me not to get involved with freemasonry. KJV hardly leads me to freemasonry.

The KJV was the bible written by and for the Church of England, mainly to replace the Bishop's bible and they didn't like the Geneva one.
The Geneva Bible had marginal notes that disputed the claim of English Monarch to rule by divine right which was the cause for Queen Elizabeth I to have the Bishop's Bible drawn up, being a staunch supporter of the right of divine rule, but that Bible was not well received having eighteen editions whereas the Geneva had over eighty editions. It was the Puritans that brought forth the petition to have a new translation of the English Bible to be undertaken to settle the differences between the Geneva and the Bishop's Bibles. They had other petitions but that was the only one King James I accepted.

http://www.scriptorium.org/articles/historyofthebible/hotb_0015.html

What is the influence of freemasonry on the KJV?

They apparently changed numbers for verses in the KJV as per masonic number games.

The original KJV was constructed as the freemasons would have it. Sir Francis Bacon, King James I, and the Knights of the Helmet structured the KJV to be two pillars with a 33 in the middle. Psalm 117 , being the middle chapter of the bible and the shortest, was made to contain exactly 33 words:
This was done by writing the word forever as two words, for ever.
If anyone doubts God in keeping His word to us as being His word and not written by "men" or corrupted by men, the supernatural proof is right there in the King James Bible that we have the word of God.

Psalm 117 is the shortest chapter in the Bible.

Psalm 119 is the longest chapter in the Bible.

Psalm 118 is the chapter which is in the centre of the Bible.

There are 594 chapters before Psalm 118.
There are 594 chapters after Psalm 118.

Add these numbers up and you get 1188. What is odd is that Psalm 118:8 is the centre verse in the whole Bible.

Psalm 118:8It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

Think the translators and the ones that put the Bible together could even do that on purpose? No way. God's hand is seen here since Freemasonry is a religion that teaches salvation by good works.

There is more about the freemasonry input to the KJV here:

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/k1002.cfm

Of course we know the significance of the number 33 in masonry. It's the freemason's signature. So that freemasonry signature is stamped right into the KJV.

Likewise, the Pentagon in D.C. is a symbol of the 33 degrees of masonry. Its angles are even at 33 degrees.

Start to get the picture now?
One can say coincidence and leave it at that or one can say that the Freemasons use the uniqueness of the number 33 from the Bible and other significance to their own end. Can you really say which came first?

So there are problems if we say . "you cannot be a christian and a freemason". Freemasonry seems to be throughout a lot of church denominations today. If it is true that you cannot be a christian and a freemason, then perhaps to be a christian, is not to use the freemason's bible at all, or attend any of the denominations with masonic influences. Or, we can see that the issue is not so black and white afterall. Perhaps to "leave freemasonry", is to leave the 1611 KJV alone, and leave whichever denomination you belong to, particularly if it is Church of England or perhaps southern baptist, Uniting, etc.
And the Catholic denomenations as well as the Pentecostal and Charismatics has freemasons in them.

Guilt by association can only go so far.

Since the New World Order is on US currency, then all of America is of freemasonry? Maybe we should stop using money and revoke our citizenship as Americans? Maybe we should not be identified with the English language? Or....

Maybe we can use the King James Bible to call those out of freemasonry. One can only hope that by the masons authorizing the 1611 King James Bible, that God would use His Word to call some out from the inside.
 
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Since the New World Order is on US currency, then all of America is of freemasonry? Maybe we should stop using money and revoke our citizenship as Americans? Maybe we should not be identified with the English language? Or....
Perhaps you should. Perhaps to be a true American is also to be a free-mason? We say we cannot be a Christian and a freemason, can you be an American without being influenced by freemasonry? Afterall that pentagon is masonic, and other notable structures. It seems that American Christianity cannot escape the influence of free-masonry. I find it a little hypocritical when Americans say "you cannot be a christian and a freemason". Well take a look around, your country isn't exactly mason-free, neither is the majority of your denominations. Ironically, to their credit it has been traditionally the Catholic church which has stood against freemasonry. Whereas Southern baptist, baptist, Lutheran, Presbyterians and others have permitted masonry even notable leaders within their organisations, who are permitted to take holy communion without any threat of excommunication.
 
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Perhaps you should. Perhaps to be a true American is also to be a free-mason? We say we cannot be a Christian and a freemason, can you be an American without being influenced by freemasonry? Afterall that pentagon is masonic, and other notable structures. It seems that American Christianity cannot escape the influence of free-masonry. I find it a little hypocritical when Americans say "you cannot be a christian and a freemason". Well take a look around, your country isn't exactly mason-free, neither is the majority of your denominations. Ironically, to their credit it has been traditionally the Catholic church which has stood against freemasonry. Whereas Southern baptist, baptist, Lutheran, Presbyterians and others have permitted masonry even notable leaders within their organisations, who are permitted to take holy communion without any threat of excommunication.
From This poster Lord Tsukasa at Let's Roll Community Forum: Post #7

http://letsrollforums.com/connection-between-illuminati-freemasonry-t18242.html

It is well-known that the Illuminati controls Freemasonry from the inside. It infiltrated it hundreds of years ago and became "a secret society within a secret society" as Robert Anton Wilson said.

That links the Illuminati to Freemasonry as Freemasonry's controller. The Illuminati was started in 1776 as a Jesuit front by Adam Weishaupt, who was trained by Jesuits all his life (School, High School, University). His father was a professor at a Jesuit university. He would later become a professor of Roman Catholic canon law at that very same Jesuit university.

He allegedly 'broke ties' with the Jesuits and started the Illuminati. This is a lie, though. Weishaupt never broke all ties with the Jesuit order. His Jesuit superiors ordered him to separate himself from the order so that he could set up a front organization that would appear to be entirely separate from the order.

This front organization, the Illuminati, would be used to infiltrate Freemasonry and take the blame for Rome's crimes (The Illuminati did it!). An example of this is the French Revolution. Almost every leader of the revolution was Jesuit-trained, but people instead looked at the story of Lanz, an Illuminati courier who was struck by lightning when he was carrying a plan for the Revolution.

The job of the Illuminati is to take the blame for Jesuit crimes.. therefore, it cannot be linked in any way to the Jesuits.. that's why Jesuit Adam Weishaupt was ordered to pretend to leave the order.

The Illuminati was used to infiltrate and control Freemasonry.

Irrefutable evidence that Adam Weishaupt never broke ties with Rome comes from the Church itself. They admit that he was reconciled with the Roman Catholic Church on his deathbed.

Further, I'm sure you know about Albert Pike, who was known as "Grand Supreme Pontiff" of Freemasonry. Pontiff means 'Pope'. So much for Freemasonry and Catholicism being enemies.

I can say that I am not a mason because I have not taken the oathe to become a mason.

As European nations are talking about the New World Order, can you escape the influence of freemasonry? Sure you can. Just because during the great tribulation, the New World Order will be in power doesn't mean there are no believers left. The saints will not be a part of it.
 
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