For by grace you have been saved THROUGH FAITH. BY whose faith have you been saved?

[GreenNnice]

Ephesians 2: 8,9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, not as a result of works, that no one should boast."

Whose faith is Paul talking about that saves us God'S or our faith in Christ that SAVES us?

Rhetorical, I know. So, many , some, anyway, THINK that we are saved by Christ's faith given us ?

Sure, Scripture states, everyone is given a measure of faith, ALL given same measure, but this faith is a MUSTAD SEED AMOUNT ,isn't it, that is what we start out with, we MUST GROW OUR FAITH IN CHRIST AS WE GROW UP IN life and in spiritiual maturity.

Sorry, i type caps a lot there, i do want to marriage a couple ideas of where faith really comes from and unless you REALIZE you are instructed to USE your faith, wasn't Abraham's faith 'counted for righteousness,' Hebrews 12 says. So, you want to grow your faith to improve your righteousness. Right?
2 Corinthians 5:21 states that we are the righteousness of Christ, doesn't it. So, we are NOT Christ but we are crucified with Christ which leads to righteousness from growing our faith.

So.....

God graced us ALL with faith, but how you GROW your faith is entirely up to you, and, this has absolutely positively nothing with WORKS , just faith. Baptism, repentence, forgiveness, these are ALL faith concepts, the Holy Spirit reception too, ALL matters of faith

 

[cfultz3]

I see you got rid of that andriod, or what it was

 

[GreenNnice]

I see you got rid of that andriod, or what it was

Nope, cee good buddy, not at all, just sometimes it acts up crazily and other times not. Depends on it's mood

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Here is 2 Corinthians 5:21 so it was listed without its verse before, isn't that like eating with yeast alone (no bread, get it? )


1 Cor. 5:21 -

New International Version (©1984)
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
New Living Translation (©2007)
For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.
English Standard Version (©2001)
For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. New American Standard Bible (©1995)
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I'm giving you all NO DOUBT about a version that is right for you , .

Except cee, of course, who will have to go c/p the 'Textus Receptus.'

 

[GreenNnice]

Ephesians 2: 8,9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, not as a result of works, that no one should boast."

Whose faith is Paul talking about that saves us God'S or our faith in Christ that SAVES us?

Rhetorical, I know. So, many , some, anyway, THINK that we are saved by Christ's faith given us ?

Sure, Scripture states, everyone is given a measure of faith, ALL given same measure, but this faith is a MUSTAD SEED AMOUNT ,isn't it, that is what we start out with, we MUST GROW OUR FAITH IN CHRIST AS WE GROW UP IN life and in spiritiual maturity.

Sorry, i type caps a lot there, i do want to marriage a couple ideas of where faith really comes from and unless you REALIZE you are instructed to USE your faith, wasn't Abraham's faith 'counted for righteousness,' Hebrews 12 says. So, you want to grow your faith to improve your righteousness. Right?
2 Corinthians 5:21 states that we are the righteousness of Christ, doesn't it. So, we are NOT Christ but we are crucified with Christ which leads to righteousness from growing our faith.

So.....

God graced us ALL with faith, but how you GROW your faith is entirely up to you, and, this has absolutely positively nothing with WORKS , just faith. Baptism, repentence, forgiveness, these are ALL faith concepts, the Holy Spirit reception too, ALL matters of faith

Cee, you have anything to add or correct, you know iron sharpens iron, Christbro, and, didn't I hear you were going to be doing a Hebrews study on chap. 3 . or were my green (pointed) ears just hearing things

 

[damombomb]

Thank you Father for your amazing grace and love, nothing I could ever do could compare to you, nor could i earn your free gift
You alone are worthy to be praised, thank you for your love for your people
Righteousness belongs to you,all you require is my faith and obedience and love to you
This is my love letter to you oh Lord!

 

[chesser]

read on, in Ephesians 2:10 it states that we were made new in Christ for good works, meaning that if we are made new, we will produce good works.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

 

[starfield]

Ephesians 2: 8,9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, not as a result of works, that no one should boast."

Whose faith is Paul talking about that saves us God'S or our faith in Christ that SAVES us?

Rhetorical, I know. So, many , some, anyway, THINK that we are saved by Christ's faith given us ?

"For ye are saved by grace through faith..." , we have to place our faith in Christ's redemptive power to be saved.
"...not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast", all the works of righteousness we do before salvation is considered dead works, filthy rags that do not save. Saving grace is precious and unmerited and leads to good works (obedience) after salvation which shows evidence of salvation.
The grace of God not only saves us, it sanctifies and helps us to live righteously in this present world.

 

[GreenNnice]

Let me make a point: man can do NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, NOTHING to bring Themselves to heaven except to believe ? Yeah, that's part of it. But what does it take to believe in something you don't see until you see it, like hmmm, any examples I can think of??oh, oh, i know! DEATH!!!!

SO,we are saved through faith, believing that Christ lived, died, rose again, a.k.a the resurrection of our Saviour. SO, we are NOT getting 'grace' for a free gift, Christ peeps. NO! We are getting what then,green, for our faith? Saved!!!!!

Saved. YOU are getting saved

What about my believing in Christ? John 316 that's what Jesus says, green.

True, 'tis true, but the word 'believe' has it's roots in what word???


Eph. 2:8 does not say, For by grace you have been saved THROUGH BELIEF , does it??

Nein!!!!
No!!!!!


Faith!!!!!


Faith means what? Obedience to God.
Now back in bible times, Abraham's relationship with God was direct , others were told what would happen to them by a prophet, like Nathan telling David that because he sinned against God,killing Uriah, his child about to be born would die. David remorsed sackcloth and ashes crying to God not to take his child. ButGod did 'take.'
David repented of his sin and asked forgiveness. God then blessed David with a child. Solomon!!
Now, why do I tell this? Because David had faith in God by virtue of his repenting and asking forgiveness and embracing his punishment for uriah (bathsheba's husband) battlefield front lines killing, that counted! Abraham's faithful obedience to kill his only son,Isaac, counted.

You REALLY think God does not keep count of our matters of faith?? Earthly rewards and heavenly Ree wards given mansions bigger mansion.

For your faith. Lose 'the love' of doing things Christ wants you to do and revelations two or three says your lampstand will be removed , that is your salvation !!!!


For by grace you have been saved through faith ,and, that is not of your selves
what is 'that,' ? What you are saved unto. Salvation

 

[xino]

read on, in Ephesians 2:10 it states that we were made new in Christ for good works, meaning that if we are made new, we will produce good works.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

i like this. it is also a fruit bearing evidence.

if people are doing things ACCORDING to the bible, you can tell Jesus definitely lives inside them.

if people do not do works according to the bible or their fruits are not good, and they say they believe in Jesus. Then I'm afraid Jesus is not living inside them.



i remember when I fell short after watching the Paul Wilsher 23min in hell video. I knew I really need to go back to Jesus. I had ignored him for so long and i was thinking he might just shove me away if I pray to him now.
I repented to him. But I felt nothing!

Fast forward to this year and looking back at that time I repented. My life did not change, in fact it got from bad to worst as I started serving the world aka Games.

it was when I repented this May 2012 that everything in my life changed. And I love my life now.
Which is to prove that I believe I am saved, Jesus resides in me because my life is now new.


though for people who just say John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 and believe they are saved only deceive themselves.

 

[cfultz3]

Cee, you have anything to add or correct, you know iron sharpens iron, Christbro, and, didn't I hear you were going to be doing a Hebrews study on chap. 3 . or were my green (pointed) ears just hearing things

There is nothing I can add to that. Truth simply spoken needs no correction or addition.

All I wish to do is to define the word 'through'. It literally means, 'channel of an act'. So, what this verse is saying is that it was by the means of a gracious act from God that you receive salvation not according to your works but by your faith. Faith is the only channel by which you are saved. May I also add that a living faith is demonstrated through acts of love and Love shown forward is the outward manifestation of the indwelling Spirit, the Guarantor of your sonhood.

Brother Greenie, the path which the Spirit has led me on has yet been fulfilled. Thus, I patiently wait upon my Lord for His guidance.

 

[leletu12]

Ephesians 2: 8,9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, not as a result of works, that no one should boast."

Whose faith is Paul talking about that saves us God'S or our faith in Christ that SAVES us?

Rhetorical, I know. So, many , some, anyway, THINK that we are saved by Christ's faith given us ?

Sure, Scripture states, everyone is given a measure of faith, ALL given same measure, but this faith is a MUSTAD SEED AMOUNT ,isn't it, that is what we start out with, we MUST GROW OUR FAITH IN CHRIST AS WE GROW UP IN life and in spiritiual maturity.

Sorry, i type caps a lot there, i do want to marriage a couple ideas of where faith really comes from and unless you REALIZE you are instructed to USE your faith, wasn't Abraham's faith 'counted for righteousness,' Hebrews 12 says. So, you want to grow your faith to improve your righteousness. Right?
2 Corinthians 5:21 states that we are the righteousness of Christ, doesn't it. So, we are NOT Christ but we are crucified with Christ which leads to righteousness from growing our faith.

So.....

God graced us ALL with faith, but how you GROW your faith is entirely up to you, and, this has absolutely positively nothing with WORKS , just faith. Baptism, repentence, forgiveness, these are ALL faith concepts, the Holy Spirit reception too, ALL matters of faith

Hi. First post here. This might already have been answered, but I decided to go ahead and post before reading the other responses. My apologies if this makes the thread redundant. Take a look at your question again: "By grace you have been saved... by whose faith have we been saved?"

We have actually not been saved by faith, but by grace, through faith.

God's grace, and our faith. "That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved." Rom 10:9. Nobody can get saved for us. God can provide all the grace, but we have to believe for ourselves, make the decision for ourselves, apply our faith for ourselves.

However there is a verse that I find very beautiful, Galatians 2:20, which says, "and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith OF the Son of God."

 

[GreenNnice]

There is nothing I can add to that. Truth simply spoken needs no correction or addition.

All I wish to do is to define the word 'through'. It literally means, 'channel of an act'. So, what this verse is saying is that it was by the means of a gracious act from God that you receive salvation not according to your works but by your faith. Faith is the only channel by which you are saved. May I also add that a living faith is demonstrated through acts of love and Love shown forward is the outward manifestation of the indwelling Spirit, the Guarantor of your sonhood.

Brother Greenie, the path which the Spirit has led me on has yet been fulfilled. Thus, I patiently wait upon my Lord for His guidance.

Amen,cee, I'm just joyed by your presence back, the Lord leads, indeed, His Spirit takes us where we go as we pefectly follow Him.

Hi. First post here. This might already have been answered, but I decided to go ahead and post before reading the other responses. My apologies if this makes the thread redundant. Take a look at your question again: "By grace you have been saved... by whose faith have we been saved?"

We have actually not been saved by faith, but by grace, through faith.

God's grace, and our faith. "That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved." Rom 10:9. Nobody can get saved for us. God can provide all the grace, but we have to believe for ourselves, make the decision for ourselves, apply our faith for ourselves.

However there is a verse that I find very beautiful, Galatians 2:20, which says, "and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith OF the Son of God."

Yes, we are saved by the grace of God, but, lelu, it is our faith that saves us, God gives us grace so we CAN be saved, which , as said above, is by resurrection of His Son.

Cee, milady, lelu, speaks Truth, yes, not by us are we saved, but by Christ, who saved us graciously as soon as we believed with FAITH, that like chessshire says, leads to WORKS . But, like cee says, and these Ephesans 2:8,9,10 verses say, we will produce works as fruit of our faith, which is what s being got across in his thread as He leads me

ALL excellent thoughts, starryfields, damombzabomb, chessbuddy , xeen

Amen. Well to bring poignant thought into the thread, well done, Christ peeps, may the faith you exhibit always produce fruit of working others toward righteousness and rewards in Heaven, and, may His Spirit lead.

read on, in Ephesians 2:10 it states that we were made new in Christ for good works, meaning that if we are made new, we will produce good works.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

 

[pickles]

I have always seen all as given, and recieved.
Since all we are,all that we have, and all we do, is made by Him, faith is trully a gift also.
The question is,are we willing to recieve this gift?
Thankyou Jesus for all your gifts !

God bless
pickles

 

[Mediate]

People miss the point of this scripture and use it to put a circumstance or a 'screening process' on others as to whether they are 'christian'.

it was never about that. It's a teaching against boasting.

It means that Jesus saved us by dying for our sins so no man can boast of their works against another man. We are all as unworthy as each other and we all needed saving.

That isn't to say that having a loving spirit and honouring Christ doesn't mean working in ways that are pleasing and for the good of others.

 

[clarkthompson]

I believe we are given faith by GOD to beileve but we all are not going to accept the faith He has given us but our faith in
Jesus is given to us by God He leads us the entire way

 

[cenallen]

Amen,cee, I'm just joyed by your presence back, the Lord leads, indeed, His Spirit takes us where we go as we pefectly follow Him.



Yes, we are saved by the grace of God, but, lelu, it is our faith that saves us, God gives us grace so we CAN be saved, which , as said above, is by resurrection of His Son.

Cee, milady, lelu, speaks Truth, yes, not by us are we saved, but by Christ, who saved us graciously as soon as we believed with FAITH, that like chessshire says, leads to WORKS . But, like cee says, and these Ephesans 2:8,9,10 verses say, we will produce works as fruit of our faith, which is what s being got across in his thread as He leads me

ALL excellent thoughts, starryfields, damombzabomb, chessbuddy , xeen

Amen. Well to bring poignant thought into the thread, well done, Christ peeps, may the faith you exhibit always produce fruit of working others toward righteousness and rewards in Heaven, and, may His Spirit lead.

plan to boast of your great faith?
the faith to believe is a GIFT.
get it? faith is the MEANS through which the gracious gift of eternal life is provided - faith in Jesus Christ

it had nothing to do with you - you DID NOT generate faith from within your dead sinful self.

2 Thessalonians 2 13 And we -- we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved by the Lord, that God did choose you from the beginning to salvation, in sanctification of the Spirit, and belief of the truth,

what part of NO BOASTING don't you get?

 

[cenallen]

People miss the point of this scripture and use it to put a circumstance or a 'screening process' on others as to whether they are 'christian'.

it was never about that. It's a teaching against boasting.

It means that Jesus saved us by dying for our sins so no man can boast of their works against another man. We are all as unworthy as each other and we all needed saving.

That isn't to say that having a loving spirit and honouring Christ doesn't mean working in ways that are pleasing and for the good of others.

this is the truth.

 

[GreenNnice]

I believe we are given faith by GOD to beileve but we all are not going to accept the faith He has given us but our faith in
Jesus is given to us by God He leads us the entire way

What we do with our 'measure' of faith' is up to us, NOT God.
Deep, brilliant thought, as always, pickled, our God corrects those He loves, we must show that gift of faith that leads to what gift is being spoken of in Eph. 2:8 , which is being 'saved,' which ABSOLUTELY is grace by our Loving Father who KNEW our righteosness was undeserving, as lelu said, and, yes, milady, starryfields, said it perfect too , as she always evidences by her said thoghts and spot-on Scripture.

 

[GreenNnice]

plan to boast of your great faith?
the faith to believe is a GIFT.
get it? faith is the MEANS through which the gracious gift of eternal life is provided - faith in Jesus Christ

it had nothing to do with you - you DID NOT generate faith from within your dead sinful self.

2 Thessalonians 2 13 And we -- we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved by the Lord, that God did choose you from the beginning to salvation, in sanctification of the Spirit, and belief of the truth,

what part of NO BOASTING don't you get?

I 'get it,' perfectly. Do you not understand what's REALLY being said in Eph. 2: 8,9.

Salvation! Don't boast of it

 

[cenallen]

I 'get it,' perfectly. Do you not understand what's REALLY being said in Eph. 2: 8,9.

Salvation! Don't boast of it

Faith means what? Obedience to God.

oh really?
you'll be boasting then won't you, with your so great obedience that saved you.
your 'faith-obedience' (whatever that is) that you claim is your doing.



πίστις, εως, ἡ

pistis

4102 pístis (from 3982/peithô, "persuade, be persuaded") – properly, persuasion (be persuaded, come to trust); faith.

Faith (4102/pistis) is always a gift from God, and never something that can be produced by people. In short, 4102/pistis ("faith") for the believer is "God's divine persuasion" – and therefore distinct from human belief (confidence), yet involving it. The Lord continuously births faith in the yielded believer so they can know what He prefers, i.e. the persuasion of His will (1 Jn 5:4).

[4102 (pistis) in secular antiquity referred to a guarantee (warranty). In Scripture, faith is God's warranty, certifying that the revelation He inbirthed will come to pass (His way).

Faith means what? Obedience to God.

see now?