Evolutionism and creationism Poll

[MidniteWelder]

Science is nothing more than merely mans attempt at trying to gain an understanding of the world he lives in,
Now even though Einsteins Theory of E= MC2 was nothing more than a theory extrapolated from the more accepted known equation of force equals mass times velocity until he was able to test this theory. He did touch on one very important thing which was just one aspect of his research which caused one of the greatest minds in our history to admit that the more he studied science the more it actually proves there is a creator and an order, and laws to follow, even nature must follow Gods laws.
Science seems to claim to know so much yet still cant explain gravity or fully explain magnetism except that oppposites attract or that theres an electrical attraction in all matter.
Still, theres an invisible force.
Anyway, thats not the point.
Heres the point.
God...is the only creator
We can have ideas, build things, make things, change things from one thing to another, make things from what is already here for us to utilize, but at the end of the day, we cannot create something from nothing.
This is what Einstein touched upon which helped prove there is a divine creator.
All mathematical equations can be reversed to prove or check themselves
For instance If A2 + B2= C2 then it is evidentally clear that C2/B2 = A2
Soooooo. If the energy released from an atom of matter is equivalent to the energy required to create a given element
(And as we all know from our wikipedia research it was only 6 grams of matter which created the enormous amount of energy released from an Atomic bomb)
There are microwaves, Gamma rays, X rays, an immense amount of heat, light, electromagnetic radiation, etc etc when all the energy in an atom is released
SO what we can gather from reversing this formula is this
Matter= Energy/C2
More simply put, It takes the same amount of energy an atomic nuclear bomb releases, to create just a small amount of matter.
How much matter we got?
Whole bunch right?
How much matter we got in the earth?
Interesting most planets dont have many more heavier elements than iron since once you get past iron it takes Supernova proportion explosions to drive protons into the nucleus of an atom in order to create the next heavier element past iron.
When irons atomic number is only 26 on a scale from 1 to 118
Yet for some unknown reason we have all the heavy elements here present on earth way past lead, up to Gold and beyond.
WHats this mean?
Earth is pretty special.
Adam was created from the dust of the earth
If we take a study of all the elemtns a human is composed of, we will find every element with the heavier ones being in trace amounts as we go up the scale including Gold.
So when God says we are created from the dust of the earth, he means out of every element present.
Now
Lets take a look at this big bang theory
Everything from nothing
ok
All the matter on earth in our solar system in our universe starting from a pinpoint right and expanding at an ever increasing rate
,,,,,back to Eienstein
3 questions
How much energy would it take to create all matter in the universe at once(considering the energy just 6 grams of Plutonium or Uranium holds)
Who holds the whole world in the palm of his hands
Who has enough power to squeese all the matter of the universe into a pinpoint then let go and say Hey watch this, this is gonna be neat
I could go on and on........anyway.
Think of it like legos
God is the epitome of atristry genius with simpliciity.
A proton
A nuetron
And an Electron
God sure made a lot of things from just 3 types of legos huh
Shake up your lego set for 300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
years and see what comes out of the box
I betcha it wont be alive
Or have a charge
Or be magnetic
or even have a shape or a set order of rules and laws to follow
Which even greater he can change at any time, to suit his will.
God is great Amen
The devil dont create nuthin
He takes what God created and adulterates it.
Stop studying man, and study God

 

[fighterace0]

Check out this article: Evolution vs. Creation: The Order of Events Matters! - Answers in Genesis

It's either atheistic evolution or theistic creation.
The order of creation doesn't coincide with the order of evolution.

Evolution: Sun before plants
Creation: Plants before sun

Evolution: Death before man
Creation: Man before death

 

[chesser]

Check out this article: Evolution vs. Creation: The Order of Events Matters! - Answers in Genesis

It's either atheistic evolution or theistic creation.
The order of creation doesn't coincide with the order of evolution.

Evolution: Sun before plants
Creation: Plants before sun

Evolution: Death before man
Creation: Man before death

1st one is true, though the light created b4 the sun Probly fed the plants 2nd one is false as at least once I bet an elephant stepped on a blade of grass or something before man was created.

 

[Tethered]

A2 = C2-B2 = C2/B2 ?
C2 = 4
B2 = 2

 

[ForthAngel]

Evolution has way too many flaws, Darwin himself rejected it, because he realized it wasn't real/ true. Neither do I.
Scientists use evolution to reject Gods hand in any part of the creation of earth.
Evolution is wrong.

Agreed. It's used to blatantly destroy belief in God.

 

[ForthAngel]

Age Of The Earth by Dr. Kent Hovind - YouTube

 

[carolineh]

you cannot be a bible believing christian and evolutionist at the same time because evolution teaches that death came into the world before humans even existed and the bible tells us that death came into the world through human sin...you cannot have it both ways...not possible

 

[Cari99]

So, is this discussion about Evolution creationism verses 24-hour creationism? Because I'm an old earth creationist, so I wouldn't fit into either of those categories.

 

[carolineh]

So, is this discussion about Evolution creationism verses 24-hour creationism? Because I'm an old earth creationist, so I wouldn't fit into either of those categories.

the bible uses the Hebrew word yom when it says that God created on day one, two, three etc...yom is an indefinite time period if there are no other indicators to indicate a twenty four hour period...in the case of God creating we are told it was evening and it was morning..so it was a literal twenty four hour period and I used to wonder why it took God so long to create when He could do it instantly so to believe in something other than a twenty four hour period for a day pertaining to creation is to oppose God's word and shows lack of faith in God and His word and faith in supposed human knowledge instead..human knowledge is heavily flawed and full of error...God's word is perfect and beyond our understanding and comprehension

 

[Cari99]

I believe that morning and evening refer to a period of time. The first chapter, to my mind, is poetic. There are many other places in the bible using the terms morning and evening in that way. Plus, He hadn't created the sun, moon, and stars until the fourth day period. And God is not bounded by time as we are. I heartily disagree with you that to believe God did not create the world in 24-hour days is to oppose God's Word. There are different interpretations that are EQUALLY likely to be correct. NO ONE knows how God chose to create the world.

 

[carolineh]

I believe that morning and evening refer to a period of time. The first chapter, to my mind, is poetic. There are many other places in the bible using the terms morning and evening in that way. Plus, He hadn't created the sun, moon, and stars until the fourth day period. And God is not bounded by time as we are. I heartily disagree with you that to believe God did not create the world in 24-hour days is to oppose God's Word. There are different interpretations that are EQUALLY likely to be correct. NO ONE knows how God chose to create the world.

we have not been given free licence to class the first five books of the bible as books of poetry...they are the books of law and called the Pentateuch...they are to be taken literal and not symbolically...and what is your point that God did not create celestial bodies till the fourth day..that is His perogative being God....do you disapprove of God's order of things? I am amazed that you are trying to tell God how He should best do His job...you are disagreeing with God's word when you say you do not believe God created what He said He created in a twenty four hour period..you cannot make up your own way of interpreting scripture...would be like me interpreting your message to me that you saying you disagree with me is just your way of saying you are in denial and you really do agree with me cause of the way we agree that God is not bounded by time..God may not be bounded by time but He chose to create certain things within twenty four hours and who are we to argue against that?

 

[Cari99]

I said the first chapter. If you recall, the creation story was written a couple different times. Obviously there are parts of the Bible that are clears poetic. This is interpretation. I am not disagreeing with God's Word. I am interpreting it in a completely understandable way that makes the most sense to me given what I know of the world. I can't stand when people act like they know how God HAD to have created the world. Who are you to dictate to He would do? Who are you to dictate what each verse of the Bible means? There are many things we don't understand (not all of them are even important to understand) but the least you could do is admit it. I'm not any less saved than you. I don't love Jesus any less than you do. I simply have a slightly different interpretation. I never said it had to be the way I tend to lean towards. In fact, I admit freely that I don't know. But, I feel like you ARE saying God had to have created the world the way you say.

 

[carolineh]

I said the first chapter. If you recall, the creation story was written a couple different times. Obviously there are parts of the Bible that are clears poetic. This is interpretation. I am not disagreeing with God's Word. I am interpreting it in a completely understandable way that makes the most sense to me given what I know of the world. I can't stand when people act like they know how God HAD to have created the world. Who are you to dictate to He would do? Who are you to dictate what each verse of the Bible means? There are many things we don't understand (not all of them are even important to understand) but the least you could do is admit it. I'm not any less saved than you. I don't love Jesus any less than you do. I simply have a slightly different interpretation. I never said it had to be the way I tend to lean towards. In fact, I admit freely that I don't know. But, I feel like you ARE saying God had to have created the world the way you say.

show me where in the bible it EVER indicates that the creation story was not a literal occurrence? Jesus Himself referred back to Genesis as an account of literal events so you are now telling me you prefer your poetic interpretation of scripture to a scripture that was to be taken literally..and God tells us in His word what He wants us to know about how He created..He created all things from nothing in the space of six days and all very good and if you dont know that then you need to reread God's word starting at Genesis so that you do not remain in ignorance and go spreading ignorance around like manure that is only good for weeds..I am not saying God had to create the world the way I am saying..I am saying God created the world the way He says He did it

 

[Cari99]

Show where in the Bible it says that the creation story is using 24 hour days? And when you defend a position, reference the Bible.

 

[carolineh]

Show where in the Bible it says that the creation story is using 24 hour days? And when you defend a position, reference the Bible.

in the entire chapter of Genesis 1 and if you have a Hebrew translation you will see that the word yom has been repeatedly used and so I hope you realise that word yom is a twenty four hour period once it says it is evening and morning

 

[Cari99]

As I said, evening and morning sounds to me to be referring to periods of time and have been used in that way in other verses. You can have your interpretation and I will have mine. It doesn't mean either of us are wrong or right. You have to face the facts. You weren't alive at the dawn of time. There is a lot of evidence around us that we should not ignore. For instance, lots of science has discovered things that no one can deny, such as the world being round and revolving around the sun. Science and the Bible should agree because God created science. Don't accuse me of abusing God's Word unless you have concrete proof that can not have different explanations and interpretations. Abusing God's Word is a very serious accusation. Some things are in black and white, such as homosexuality being an abomination towards God, but this is not one of them. Half of all Christians (true Christians) have different interpretations. Don't be arrogant.

 

[carolineh]

As I said, evening and morning sounds to me to be referring to periods of time and have been used in that way in other verses. You can have your interpretation and I will have mine. It doesn't mean either of us are wrong or right. You have to face the facts. You weren't alive at the dawn of time. There is a lot of evidence around us that we should not ignore. For instance, lots of science has discovered things that no one can deny, such as the world being round and revolving around the sun. Science and the Bible should agree because God created science. Don't accuse me of abusing God's Word unless you have concrete proof that can not have different explanations and interpretations. Abusing God's Word is a very serious accusation. Some things are in black and white, such as homosexuality being an abomination towards God, but this is not one of them. Half of all Christians (true Christians) have different interpretations. Don't be arrogant.

I dont get what you are saying...how can "and the evening and the morning were the first day" and" the evening and the morning were the second day" and "the evening and the morning were the third day" etc be taken as anything other than a literal evening and morning when we read of it in the Pentateuch...I bet if I asked an elementary school child...does evening and morning make a day? they would not hesitate to tell me yes...they would not say...oh it could make up many days or months or years...I would tell their teacher they need to learn about what a day is made up of..science did not discover the world being round...science denied it till God fearing men found in the bible that there were passages pointing to a round earth, God fearing men also discovered from passages of scripture about the eliptical movement of celestial bodies..science still has not caught up with scriptural truths on all manner of topics..and why are you accusing me of saying you abuse God's word...I dont recall even using the term abusing?? are you making a false accusation ...I agree that the bible is clear about homosexuality being an abomination but then the ones who reject God's word on that would say..oh that is just your interpretation

 

[Cari99]

Yeah, kind of like what you are doing. This is ridiculous. I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me, and obviously we won't convince each other. Of course, I'm only saying that it's a possible interpretation. It's not very loving for you to accuse me of abusing the Word of God over a trivial matter that NO ONE knows the truth of. Remember, many Christians have the same ideas I have with much more knowledge. Are you going to accuse them all of misinterpreting the Bible? C. S. Lewis, one of my favorite writers even thinks this. VERY smart people have this interpretation. When I say black and white, I mean that there is no way to misinterpret it. People don't interpret the homosexuality verse at all, they just ignore it. I didn't a single verse, I merely thought of it as being figurative. That's how it seems to me. The second chapter, on the other hand, is clearly giving lots of details that sound literal. It makes sense to me. I guess I should use the world "misinterpreting" rather than "abusing". Anyway, it's still unreasonable for you to say your interpretation is the only true one.

 

[Cari99]

Hahaha....I just realized that you are actually turning it around to accuse me of falsely accusing you. Wow, this could go on forever. Let's agree to disagree. No hard feelings.

 

[carolineh]

Yeah, kind of like what you are doing. This is ridiculous. I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me, and obviously we won't convince each other. Of course, I'm only saying that it's a possible interpretation. It's not very loving for you to accuse me of abusing the Word of God over a trivial matter that NO ONE knows the truth of. Remember, many Christians have the same ideas I have with much more knowledge. Are you going to accuse them all of misinterpreting the Bible? C. S. Lewis, one of my favorite writers even thinks this. VERY smart people have this interpretation. When I say black and white, I mean that there is no way to misinterpret it. People don't interpret the homosexuality verse at all, they just ignore it. I didn't a single verse, I merely thought of it as being figurative. That's how it seems to me. The second chapter, on the other hand, is clearly giving lots of details that sound literal. It makes sense to me. I guess I should use the world "misinterpreting" rather than "abusing". Anyway, it's still unreasonable for you to say your interpretation is the only true one.

The correct interpretation of God's word is not a trivial matter..if God's word is not interpreted accurately then it distorting His truth...God is the God of truth and anything that opposes truth is lies..misinterpretations are lies that need to be exposed for what they are