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Here is another faith statement, this from 1 Timothy :
command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work—which is by faith. 5 The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. 7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
Maybe, verse is speaking to you, squirrel
'Course, I say this ^ gently, squirrel
LOL Green. Abiding is telling you God does the work and keeps us saved and you are saying our work determines whether we are saved or not. You yourself know that our work does not determine our salvation. You believe in salvation but that it can't be secure?
Only those who are into a works based gospel want to be teachers of the law, and by doing this they don't know what they are talking about or what they affirm.
Those that are into a faith based gospel already know what the law is designed to do.
Galatians 3:1-3
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Do you see that our salvation is not determined by our works, but by His Love and Mercy?
Do you see what you are affirming when you try to teach people they can lose their salvation?
Probably not. But I know some readers can...
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marianna
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This is very difficult to understand.
My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So I live in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: - Romans 3:24
For it is by his grace that we have been saved through faith, and this faith was not from you, but it is the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8
So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. - Romans 9:16
For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it John 5:21
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. - 1 John 4:10
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.- John 3:16
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, - John 11:25
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jimmydiggs
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Well this is scary.
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Sounds like you are denying the faith.
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GreenNnice
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Sigh....
Just follow His leading, Christ peeps. It is clear, only to you, as He leads you in Spirit and Truth.
Note to abiding: May God bless you, Christbro, for your openness of thought. I pray the Lord always leads me, but, I make mistakes/sin all the time but I am covered by the blood, forevrmore.
But,ccan I become 'uncovered.?' Absolutely! Scripture is clear. Scripture is also clear that, as ReignisHis says, salvation can become the death of you IF you don't produce 'fruit.' Hmm, she says the 'fruit' psrt, anyway, I say the DEATH part .
Follow Him. Don't think you're sealed, it's a one time thing forevermore. It's not . If it was so OSAS easy a lot more would go through the narrow gate. One must WORK out their salvation with the Holy Spirit , see, I didn't even say 'fear and trembling.' The Lord leads us all, and, it's His fight for us, to do with us what He wants to do for 'His will and pleasure.' Quit feeling guilty of your past sins, too, they ALL are covered by the blood, present and future too.
But, are you really SAVED by grace ALONE? No, you are saved by faith MOSTLY, and God's grace was His Son unto us, His blood, saving us as we KEEP hearkening to Him (no, this is not works salvation, it is 'Spirit' salvation ). Satan tries to tell you this doctrine of death though, don't believe Him, Christ peeps, just follow the Lord leading you, in Spirit and in Truth. You are His, your righteousness, which is simply 'right standing with God' was officially yours forever as you keep 'the faith' , obeying His commands as He leads you.
Just follow His leading, Christ peeps. It is clear, only to you, as He leads you in Spirit and Truth.
Note to abiding: May God bless you, Christbro, for your openness of thought. I pray the Lord always leads me, but, I make mistakes/sin all the time but I am covered by the blood, forevrmore.
But,ccan I become 'uncovered.?' Absolutely! Scripture is clear. Scripture is also clear that, as ReignisHis says, salvation can become the death of you IF you don't produce 'fruit.' Hmm, she says the 'fruit' psrt, anyway, I say the DEATH part .
Follow Him. Don't think you're sealed, it's a one time thing forevermore. It's not . If it was so OSAS easy a lot more would go through the narrow gate. One must WORK out their salvation with the Holy Spirit , see, I didn't even say 'fear and trembling.' The Lord leads us all, and, it's His fight for us, to do with us what He wants to do for 'His will and pleasure.' Quit feeling guilty of your past sins, too, they ALL are covered by the blood, present and future too.
But, are you really SAVED by grace ALONE? No, you are saved by faith MOSTLY, and God's grace was His Son unto us, His blood, saving us as we KEEP hearkening to Him (no, this is not works salvation, it is 'Spirit' salvation
). Satan tries to tell you this doctrine of death though, don't believe Him, Christ peeps, just follow the Lord leading you, in Spirit and in Truth. You are His, your righteousness, which is simply 'right standing with God' was officially yours forever as you keep 'the faith' , obeying His commands as He leads you.
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jimmydiggs
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Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed
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marianna
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The Spirit is God's guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people. He did this so we would praise and glorify him. - Ephesians 1:14
and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee 2 Corinthians 1:22
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marianna
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Oh dear. I said I was leaving this thread. Sorry.
I will now.
Excuse me.
Moderator, I apologize for my tone.
It simply breaks my heart to see people robbed of the assurance God provides.
I will now.
Excuse me.
Moderator, I apologize for my tone.
It simply breaks my heart to see people robbed of the assurance God provides.
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jimmydiggs
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Romans 3:20 (NASB95)
20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
Galatians 2:16
nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
Ephesians 2:8
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast.
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GreenNnice
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DO you want His seal?
Live by faith, NOT by just grace. Grace is seen everyday of our lives. But faith, that takes some serious seeing (Hebrews 11:1 )
Do you want His inheritance , His seal of Holy Spirit redemption?
Live by FAITH , not by sight.
Getting to heaven is a narrow strait, Christ peeps, if it was not so, it would be sooo easy to enter His rest.
This, again, is not saying you have to go do this , or/and, go do that, No! YOU are to follow Him, sooo simple You ARE forgiven, by His blood, you repented to CHRIST , ONCE RIGHT ! Then, Scripture, says 'forgiveness' of others, self is part of the 'saved' program. Live then in that ACT of having received His forgiveness, too, that you give others, have asked of others, as He's led you, by the acts every TIME the Spirit leads you to do.
A promise is just that, something you are promised IF you do something else.
Green, what is that 'something else,' FAITH in He who leads you in your FIGHT of 'the faith' until you're done, entering His 'rest.'
A guarantee is something God will give you IF you abide in Him, He already DOES abide in you but you too, MUST obey His commands, His commandments, John 15:10, you must , must, must PRODUCE FRUIT. 'Fruit' is of the Spirit ,cans, it sure don't come by 'grace alone,' there MUST be faith, your mustard seed amount , your measure, thrown out there for God to then WORK in you His plan . Serve Him, Christ peeps, Jesus was a servant on earth, ask to be willing, let Him do what He must do, to 'Lord, please, make me a servant, please, make me like you.'
Live by faith, NOT by just grace. Grace is seen everyday of our lives. But faith, that takes some serious seeing (Hebrews 11:1 )
Do you want His inheritance , His seal of Holy Spirit redemption?
Live by FAITH , not by sight.
Getting to heaven is a narrow strait, Christ peeps, if it was not so, it would be sooo easy to enter His rest.
This, again, is not saying you have to go do this , or/and, go do that, No! YOU are to follow Him, sooo simple
You ARE forgiven, by His blood, you repented to CHRIST , ONCE RIGHT ! Then, Scripture, says 'forgiveness' of others, self is part of the 'saved' program. Live then in that ACT of having received His forgiveness, too, that you give others, have asked of others, as He's led you, by the acts every TIME the Spirit leads you to do. A promise is just that, something you are promised IF you do something else.
Green, what is that 'something else,' FAITH in He who leads you in your FIGHT of 'the faith' until you're done, entering His 'rest.'
A guarantee is something God will give you IF you abide in Him, He already DOES abide in you but you too, MUST obey His commands, His commandments, John 15:10, you must , must, must PRODUCE FRUIT. 'Fruit' is of the Spirit ,cans, it sure don't come by 'grace alone,' there MUST be faith, your mustard seed amount , your measure, thrown out there for God to then WORK in you His plan . Serve Him, Christ peeps, Jesus was a servant on earth, ask to be willing, let Him do what He must do, to 'Lord, please, make me a servant, please, make me like you.'
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This is sounding more and more like Gen3:1/Matt4:3 as it goes. I hate to say it but i think im gona have to sit in the reformed section from now on. Splitting hairs is one thing...full out heresy is another. Greenie...can you explain the difference between redemption, and sanctification...and the mechanics of them? And the effectualness of these works you perforn?Sigh....
Just follow His leading, Christ peeps. It is clear, only to you, as He leads you in Spirit and Truth.
Note to abiding: May God bless you, Christbro, for your openness of thought. I pray the Lord always leads me, but, I make mistakes/sin all the time but I am covered by the blood, forevrmore.
But,ccan I become 'uncovered.?' Absolutely! Scripture is clear. Scripture is also clear that, as ReignisHis says, salvation can become the death of you IF you don't produce 'fruit.' Hmm, she says the 'fruit' psrt, anyway, I say the DEATH part .Wow a good nite sleep..ty Lord. Greenie
we can no more produce fruit, than we could create a moon. The branch can do nothing, but abide
on the vine where the life is...just dead wood. And to be cut off and thrown in the fire, has a meaning that lose your salvation doctrine has perverted.
Follow Him. Don't think you're sealed, it's a one time thing forevermore. It's not . If it was so OSAS easy a lot more would go through the narrow gate. One must WORK out their salvation with the Holy Spirit , see, I didn't even say 'fear and trembling.' The Lord leads us all, and, it's His fight for us, to do with us what He wants to do for 'His will and pleasure.' Quit feeling guilty of your past sins, too, they ALL are covered by the blood, present and future too.
But, are you really SAVED by grace ALONE? No, you are saved by faith MOSTLY, and God's grace was His Son unto us, His blood, saving us as we KEEP hearkening to Him (no, this is not works salvation, it is 'Spirit' salvation
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jimmydiggs
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DO you want His seal?
Live by faith, NOT by just grace. Grace is seen everyday of our lives. But faith, that takes some serious seeing (Hebrews 11:1 )
Do you want His inheritance , His seal of Holy Spirit redemption?
Live by FAITH , not by sight.
Getting to heaven is a narrow strait, Christ peeps, if it was not so, it would be sooo easy to enter His rest.
This, again, is not saying you have to go do this , or/and, go do that, No! YOU are to follow Him, sooo simple
A promise is just that, something you are promised IF you do something else.
Green, what is that 'something else,' FAITH in He who leads you in your FIGHT of 'the faith' until you're done, entering His 'rest.'
A guarantee is something God will give you IF you abide in Him, He already DOES abide in you but you too, MUST obey His commands, His commandments, John 15:10, you must , must, must PRODUCE FRUIT. 'Fruit' is of the Spirit ,cans, it sure don't come by 'grace alone,' there MUST be faith, your mustard seed amount , your measure, thrown out there for God to then WORK in you His plan . Serve Him, Christ peeps, Jesus was a servant on earth, ask to be willing, let Him do what He must do, to 'Lord, please, make me a servant, please, make me like you.'
So we have to do something to receive Grace? Nice.
2 Timothy 3
But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.
By the way, this is the Ordo Salutis that scripture teaches.
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Abiding
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You didnt have a bad tone. You obeyed jude 3.Gal3 many others.
Projecting rants and forcing experiences to scew your doctrine isnt acceptable.
Understandable, yes. But still not acceptable.
Last night after a day in this thread...i was nearly depressed, and
felt a heaviness. I thank the Lord that He refreshes us daily.
Moderators dont need to be treated any different marianna.
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GreenNnice
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What does it mean to abide, squirrelfriend?
And, great a good night's sleep does a body good
I believe my God too, mari. 'Course, like jimdig, even the demons believe in God.
But, faith, ahhh, that's where 'believe' begins to hover, grow, move....
...where justification comes in
Justification to be in a right standing with God.
Maybe the biggest question here is: 'What kind of 'faith' are we talking about?
Or, what kind of faith is Paul talking about in Scripture.
What kind of faith is Jesus talking about?
How many times does Jesus say 'grace' is key to salvation and how many times does He mention 'faith,'' like 'faith of a mustard seed,' and, 'O ye of little faith.'
Must we have more than a 'little faith' to 'fight' as Paul states.
Idk, the Lord leads me, I hope and pray, just trying to break throufh this seeming barrier of grace the OSAS think there automatically guaranteed to be saved with to the wall of faith which lies behind the grace and must be fought to climb over and the climb is with the Spirit urging you (not pushing you) on, providing ways for you to climb over from rock to rock, until at His appointed time you go over. 'Course, the Enemy, during this 'climb' keeps saying you can't make it, you don't even have to, look at all tat 'grace' back down at the bottom...
And, great a good night's sleep does a body good
I believe my God too, mari. 'Course, like jimdig, even the demons believe in God.
But, faith, ahhh, that's where 'believe' begins to hover, grow, move....
...where justification comes in
Justification to be in a right standing with God.
Maybe the biggest question here is: 'What kind of 'faith' are we talking about?
Or, what kind of faith is Paul talking about in Scripture.
What kind of faith is Jesus talking about?
How many times does Jesus say 'grace' is key to salvation and how many times does He mention 'faith,'' like 'faith of a mustard seed,' and, 'O ye of little faith.'
Must we have more than a 'little faith' to 'fight' as Paul states.
Idk, the Lord leads me, I hope and pray, just trying to break throufh this seeming barrier of grace the OSAS think there automatically guaranteed to be saved with to the wall of faith which lies behind the grace and must be fought to climb over and the climb is with the Spirit urging you (not pushing you) on, providing ways for you to climb over from rock to rock, until at His appointed time you go over. 'Course, the Enemy, during this 'climb' keeps saying you can't make it, you don't even have to, look at all tat 'grace' back down at the bottom...
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jimmydiggs
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jimmydiggs
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At least you are honest about believing I have the same belief in God that demons do. It's always nice to know who believes you are a servant of the devil.
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GreenNnice
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Abiding
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Im not saying disrespect mods...dont disrespect anyone.Need I remind you they have ban hammers?
Don't stick yer head up too far.
But this is a bible forum. And nobody needs to shrivel up to a
mod...thats just plain wrong.
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GreenNnice
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True repentance comes from true faith.
This is true belief that will have best chance of NEVER leaving Christ.
BUT, for me to say, one will never leave Him is not for me to say, that is up to the person that has the Spirit in them, been with the Spirit doing work in their life and having seen seducers of evil and false teachings lead them from God's hand of 'suffering' good will and pleasure.
This is true belief that will have best chance of NEVER leaving Christ.
BUT, for me to say, one will never leave Him is not for me to say, that is up to the person that has the Spirit in them, been with the Spirit doing work in their life and having seen seducers of evil and false teachings lead them from God's hand of 'suffering' good will and pleasure.