Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?

[Shaije]

ALTER2EGO -to- GRACE BE UNTO YOU:
A convenient way of avoiding the issue of this thread--namely, the difference between what the Bible actually teaches vs. traditions of men--is to do what you are doing: go on a witch hunt. You are displaying religious intolerance towards people of certain religious affiliations, as if to say they are unworthy of Bible discussions. Jesus Christ our redeemer and exampler instructed his disciples to go and make disciples of people of all the nations.

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," (Matthew 28:19 -- New American Standard Bible)


"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" (Matthew 28:19 -- King James Version)


Never mind that several others on this forum started threads on the topics of Trinity and hellfire torment, but you singled me out and immediately began making an issue of religious affiliation as a means of evading the issue of the thread.

If you are so convinced that Trinity and hellfire torment are Bible teachings, why are you trying to change the topic of this thread? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that I intend to use the Bible as the authority when discussing those doctrines. The questions in my OP are proof of that.

In other words, your battle is not with me or with Jehovah's Witnesses or any religious affiliation for that matter. The challenge is for you to overcome what the Bible really says or does not say in support of Trinity and hellfire torment. That's the issue we must all confront: what the Bible really says.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD. John 1:14 And the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us.......> Get it straight now, while there is still time. ***The Lake of fire is real, and it is forever!!!!*** Revelation 20:10 The devil, who DECEIVED them, was cast into the LAKE of FIRE and brimstone where the beast and fase prophet are. And they WILL be Tormented DAY and NIGHT forever and EVER! 20:14-15 Then Death and HADES were cast into the LAKE of FIRE. This is the second death. And ANYONE NOT found written in the Book of Life was cast into the LAKE of FIRE. Revelation 21:7-8 "He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will become his God and he shall be My son. "But the cowardly, *UNBELIEVING, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all LIARS, Shall have THEIR part in the LAKE which burns with FIRE and brimstone, which is the second death." Gods speed to you, You're guna need it.

 

[Shaije]

The Bible does not teach eternal torment and is a false doctrine. The word trinity is not in the Bible but the Bible does teach plurality within God.

May i ask...WHAT bible are You reading? You are TOO old to be spreading FALSEHOODS. If you know your bible...you should be ashamed of yourself, and if you don't know your bible, then you shouldn't be misleading others with your garbage. Revelation 20:10 and 15 CLEARLY state that the LAKE of FIRE is TORMENT...day and night.....FOREVER and EVER. >>>And *ANYONE* NOT found written in the Book of Life WAS cast into the LAKE of FIRE. Please be more careful with what you put out there. You will have to answer for corrupting Gods Word. Revelation 22:19 And IF **ANYONE** takes away from the WORDS of the book of this prophecy, GOD SHALL take AWAY his/her part from the Book of LIFE, (oops, we know where they go) the Holy City, and from the things written in this book. Surely you don't want that, or worse lead others into damnation too, now do you? II Timothy 2:15 *STUDY* to show yourself approved to God, a worker who does NOT need to be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the WORD of TRUTH. Gods speed to you

 

[Laodicea]

May i ask...WHAT bible are You reading? You are TOO old to be spreading FALSEHOODS. If you know your bible...you should be ashamed of yourself, and if you don't know your bible, then you shouldn't be misleading others with your garbage. Revelation 20:10 and 15 CLEARLY state that the LAKE of FIRE is TORMENT...day and night.....FOREVER and EVER. >>>And *ANYONE* NOT found written in the Book of Life WAS cast into the LAKE of FIRE. Please be more careful with what you put out there. You will have to answer for corrupting Gods Word. Revelation 22:19 And IF **ANYONE** takes away from the WORDS of the book of this prophecy, GOD SHALL take AWAY his/her part from the Book of LIFE, (oops, we know where they go) the Holy City, and from the things written in this book. Surely you don't want that, or worse lead others into damnation too, now do you? II Timothy 2:15 *STUDY* to show yourself approved to God, a worker who does NOT need to be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the WORD of TRUTH. Gods speed to you

Do not tell me what I believe is garbage also you need to read your Bible because forever and ever does not mean eternal it means as long as it lasts just as in Jonah it says he was in the belly forever yet was only in there 3 days. If you wish to discuss this further you can start a new thread as this is not your thread.

 

[Alter2Ego]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD. John 1:14 And the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us.......> Get it straight now, while there is still time. ***The Lake of fire is real, and it is forever!!!!*** Revelation 20:10 The devil, who DECEIVED them, was cast into the LAKE of FIRE and brimstone where the beast and fase prophet are. And they WILL be Tormented DAY and NIGHT forever and EVER! 20:14-15 Then Death and HADES were cast into the LAKE of FIRE. This is the second death. And ANYONE NOT found written in the Book of Life was cast into the LAKE of FIRE. Revelation 21:7-8 "He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will become his God and he shall be My son. "But the cowardly, *UNBELIEVING, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all LIARS, Shall have THEIR part in the LAKE which burns with FIRE and brimstone, which is the second death." Gods speed to you, You're guna need it.

ALTER2EGO -to- SHAIJI:
Let me explain something to you: Posting in Font #4, like you did at Post 41, does not make your argument anymore convincing. If anything, it only makes your erroneous argument more visible. Why? Because you are cherry picking John 1:1 and ignoring the context (the surrounding words, verses, and chapters).

You did the same thing with Revelation. You cherry picked verses and ignored the context within which they appear. The book of Revelation is written almost entirely in symbolic/figurative language and presents prophetic future events with much symbolism.

"A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and PRESENTED IT IN SIGNS through him to his slave John,"(Revelation 1:1)


Figurative or symbolic speech has a deeper meaning than the face value of the words. In the Bible, whenever fire is used symbolically, it is with reference to cleansing or eternal destruction.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Do not tell me what I believe is garbage

Seventh Day Adventism is garbage, Ellen G. White is a false prophet, and if you cared for your soul you would abandon it in a heart beat.

 

[Alter2Ego]

The Bible does not teach this as a punishment for sin. Otherwise, everyone but the Lord Jesus would be there. The reason for being sent there is rejecting the atoning sacrifice of Christ, Who IS God.

grace and peace,
ellie

ALTER2EGO -to- PSYCHOMOM:
Please elaborate by presenting scriptures to confirm what you are saying. Where does the Bible say hellfire torment is not punishment for sin? For that matter, where does the Bible speak of literal hellfire torment. Be sure to identify the scriptures with Bible book, chapter, and verse.

 

[psychomom]

ALTER2EGO -to- SHAIJI:
"A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and PRESENTED IT IN SIGNS through him to his slave John,"(Revelation 1:1)

This is the New World Translation, AKA the Watchtower Society's translation of Revelation 1:1.
Here is what some other translations say:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: (KJV)

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, (NASB)

A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify it, having sent through his messenger to his servant John, (YLT)

Though the three translations I quoted all agree, the NWT gives it quite a different meaning...
I know the Watchtower Society teaches that Jesus is the angel Michael (according to the nice couple from the local JW church we've spoken to a few times), and they have adapted their translation to fit their teachings, but that doesn't make it true.

 

[Alter2Ego]

ALTER2EGO -to- LAODICEA:
I agree with what you wrote above, which is bolded. There is not one single verse of scripture in God's inspired Word, the Judeo-Christian Bible, that speaks of literal hellfire torment.


ALTER2EGO -to- LAODICEA:
I disagree. There is no plurality where Almighty God Yahweh/Jehovah/Yehovah/YHWH is concerned. Suppose you explain why you feel the verses in the image above that you posted are speaking about a "plurality within God"? I read all of the verses, and I don't see any hint of a plurality within God in any of them.

[FONT=&quot]Here is what the Bible says about how Jesus became the Son and how He was begotten.


ESV | ‎Heb 5:5 So also Christ did not exalt himself to be made a high priest, but was appointed by him who said to him, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”; ‎‎6 as he says also in another place, “You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek.”

ESV | ‎Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him, ‎10 being designated by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

The word prosagoreuo translated as "designated" also means - to give a name or title to—‘to call, to give a name to, to give a title to.’

Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Vol. 1: Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (402). New York: United Bible Societies.

Jesus was begotten & became God Son:
1) By appointment, Heb 5:5
2) By being given that title, Heb 5:10
3) By coming in the flesh, Mt 1:18,20
4) By declaration,Rom 1:3,4. The word horizo which is translated as "declared" in ESV also means - to appoint, to assign someone to a particular function/task/role.

He was "begotten" at the time He received His titles, e.g. when He was appointed priest, as mentioned in Heb 5.[/FONT]

ALTER2EGO -to- LAODICEA:
I appreciate the verses of scriptures you presented in your post, quoted above. Those verses help us appreciate that Jesus Christ was appointed to serve specific roles by Almighty God YHWH/Jehovah/Yahweh and that Jesus was begotten by God.

In your previous response, you said God is a plurality, but you presented no scriptures to prove that to be so.

 

[Alter2Ego]

This is the New World Translation, AKA the Watchtower Society's translation of Revelation 1:1.
Here is what some other translations say:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: (KJV)

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, (NASB)

A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify it, having sent through his messenger to his servant John, (YLT)

Though the three translations I quoted all agree, the NWT gives it quite a different meaning...
I know the Watchtower Society teaches that Jesus is the angel Michael (according to the nice couple from the local JW church we've spoken to a few times), and they have adapted their translation to fit their teachings, but that doesn't make it true.

ALTER2EGO -to- PSYCHOMOM:
Throughout this forum you will see me quoting from a variety of Bibles, including the New World Translation.

The renditions of Revelation 1:1 you presented above are no different from the rendition given in the New World Translation for the same verse of scripture.Yet, here you are claiming that "the NWT gives it quite a different meaning."

"A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John," (Revelation 1:1 -- New World Translation)


Since I don't see any difference in the meaning between the NWT and what you presented above, suppose you explain to the forum how the meaning of the verse at Revelation 1:1 was changed by the NWT?

 

[psychomom]

Perhaps I didn't state it well, but I see a different inherent meaning there...especially given your POV.
Saying it's 'presented in signs' is not the meaning I see in the other three translations.

"Signify" and "signs" are two different words. To say the Lord (whose revelation it is) signified it does not mean the whole book is merely symbolic, which is what I think you are saying, and backing up with the NWT.
If I am wrong, you have my apologies.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
I am a Christian and have the deepest respect for God's inspired Word, the Judeo-Christian Bible. I invite fellow Christians to participate in the questions for discussion. Two of the most basic teachings in Christendom are as follows:

1. THE TRINITY
The teaching that God is split up into three individual persons that are combined into one "Godhead" (Father, Son, and holy ghost/holy spirit). All three of these persons are said to be CO-EQUAL (meaning they have the same power) and CO-ETERNAL (meaning they have always existed at the same time and none of them can die).


2. HELLFIRE
The teaching that God will burn a person's soul in everlasting hellfire for committing wicked deeds. In other words, God will supposedly punish people forever in fiery flames of hell--despite the fact the crimes the persons committed were only done during the persons' brief human lifespan.


QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION:
1. Are there scriptures in the Bible to support the teachings of Trinity and hellfire? If so, present the scriptures by giving Bible book, chapter, and verse and also explain why you believe the scripture you present is talking about Trinity or literal hellfire.


2. Why are these teachings found in pagan/false religions that never worshipped the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible? For instance there were pagan trinities at least 200 years before Jesus came to the earth as a human as well as during the 1st century AD when Jesus Christ was on earth.

In the 2nd century B.C.E. (two centuries before Christ came to the earth), Egypt had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Horus, (2) Osiris, and (3) Isis.

Likewise, in the 2nd century B.C.E. (two centuries before Christ came to the earth), Babylon had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Ishtar, (2) Sin, and (3) Shamash.

In the 1st century C.E., Palmyra, which was an ancient city in Syria, had a triune god which consisted of (1) moon god, (2) Lord of Heavens, and (3) sun god.
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3. If the Trinity and hellfire are Bible teachings, why is it that Jesus and his apostles who followed him around never taught anyone about the Trinity and literal hellfire?


4. How is it that both the Trinity and hellfire teachings did not become "Christian" teachings until the Roman Catholics copied both of them from pagan/false religions--AFTER the resurrected Jesus Christ returned to heaven?


5. If hell is a place of literal fiery torment, how is it that the Bible says Jesus went to hell for the entire three days that he was dead?

"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that HIS SOUL WAS NOT LEFT IN HELL, neither his flesh did see corruption."(Acts 2:31--King James Version)
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6. If hell is a place of literal torment, why is it that the word "hell" also means "Sheol" and "Hades" and "the grave"?


7. Does the Bible teach that humans have an immortal soul that survives the death of the person so that the soul can then be burned in eternal flames? If so, please present scriptures to this effect to prove it.


8. Are the words "Trinity" and "Godhead" in the Bible? If so, were those words part of the original writings?

Predominantly writing of contentions of doctrines and in such a claim to depth that obscures faith and in faith experience which is absent from your writings, Christian is first and foremost a real experience of Jesus in you and out of the abundance of your heart and soul is what you will speak (write) so all i have read so far is unbelief of certain thoughts of scripture not of any spiritual testimony or witness of Jesus (or whatever name of God and the Son) you chose to be accepted by. Experience is very much reality spiritual birth is an experience especially to our conscious, the experience is the inspiration that is felt in the heart and soul and it is intimate where no on of man gives it and no one of mankind can take it away. We must be birth from above this birth is Godly life light and love that is experienced felt and births faith this is done by Jesus Christ. Your heart so far is only logical analytical and critical. Which is to infer experience and spiritual faith of salvations’ new birth by Jesus is in doubt?

 

[Alter2Ego]

Perhaps I didn't state it well, but I see a different inherent meaning there...especially given your POV.
Saying it's 'presented in signs' is not the meaning I see in the other three translations.

"Signify" and "signs" are two different words. To say the Lord (whose revelation it is) signified it does not mean the whole book is merely symbolic, which is what I think you are saying, and backing up with the NWT.
If I am wrong, you have my apologies.

ALTER2EGO -to- PSYCHOMOM:
The words "signify" and "sign" are simply different renditions of the same expression. The word "signify" is a transitive verb, while the word "sign" is a noun. But they refer to the same thing.


DEFINITION OF "SIGNIFY":
To signify is to indicate, represent or imply something.

to show or make known, as by a sign, words, etc.: to signify approval by saying “aye”
Signify | Easy to understand definition of signify by Your Dictionary


DEFINITION OF "SIGN":

1. something that indicates a fact, quality, etc.; indication; token: black as a sign of mourning
2. 1. a gesture or motion that conveys information, gives a command, etc.: a nod as a sign of approval
   2. any of the gestures used in sign language
   3. sign language (sense )
3. a mark or symbol having an accepted and specific meaning, as the sign ¢ for cent(s)
4. any linguistic unit, as a word, letter, etc., that is the symbol of an idea, function, etc.

(SOURCE: Webster's New World College Dictionary)
Sign | Easy to understand definition of sign by Your Dictionary



Notice definition #4 above where it says a word can be used as "the symbol of an idea, function, etc." The fact that Revelation starts off with the very first verse of the entire book announcing it is being presented in signs/symbols--alerting the reader that many of its expression have deeper meanings than the actual words used--speaks for itself. For instance, the expression "the lake of fire" in the book of Revelation is symbolic language. In the Bible, whenever fire is used symbolically, it is with reference to cleansing or permanent destruction. I can demonstrate this to you, if you wish, by using the example of Revelation 20:14, since that seems to be a favorite with hellfire believers.

Let me know.

 

[Alter2Ego]

Predominantly writing of contentions of doctrines and in such a claim to depth that obscures faith and in faith experience which is absent from your writings, Christian is first and foremost a real experience of Jesus in you and out of the abundance of your heart and soul is what you will speak (write) so all i have read so far is unbelief of certain thoughts of scripture not of any spiritual testimony or witness of Jesus (or whatever name of God and the Son) you chose to be accepted by. Experience is very much reality spiritual birth is an experience especially to our conscious, the experience is the inspiration that is felt in the heart and soul and it is intimate where no on of man gives it and no one of mankind can take it away. We must be birth from above this birth is Godly life light and love that is experienced felt and births faith this is done by Jesus Christ. Your heart so far is only logical analytical and critical. Which is to infer experience and spiritual faith of salvations’ new birth by Jesus is in doubt?

ALTER2EGO -to- AGAPE SPIRIT EYES:
All that anyone has to do is take a look at the topics on the main forum, and one cannot help but notice that many others have started threads in which they question Trinity and hellfire torment. The point being, I am not the only one who raised these issues.

I suggest you post a similar scolding to the other people who started threads on these topics, instructing them to ignore what the Bible says and put traditions of men ahead of God's inspired word (which is basically what you're telling me to do). Just don't hold your breath waiting for anyone to follow your self-opinionated advice.

People on this forum will continue to start up threads on Trinity and hellfire torment long after I'm gone from this website. I kid you not.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

I am not replying to anyone but you, i am not scolding you i did not write a demeaning word(s) is in my text. Why divert and spin it to something i did not do? My address to you was in search of your experience but i received a defensive, hateful, rejecting reply nothing to do with the important issue of an experience that is available to all, your mien is not really to find and answer of which i wrote to you in a entreaty but in arguing of which i will and chose not to do. My intent is to invite if you have no experience of which is obvious in your reply, Love (Agape) fulfills all; doctrine, laws, questions,doubt and truth. This is the love of God and is necessary to be birth in your heart and soul from God by the Lord Jesus above to know the truth of His love in this you will receive a personal answer from Him to your heart where it will be shed in giving you all the benefits of salvation to your heart and soul. Also i do write the same to all others.

 

[Grandpa]

ALTER2EGO -to- PSYCHOMOM:
The words "signify" and "sign" are simply different renditions of the same expression. The word "signify" is a transitive verb, while the word "sign" is a noun. But they refer to the same thing.


DEFINITION OF "SIGNIFY":
To signify is to indicate, represent or imply something.

to show or make known, as by a sign, words, etc.: to signify approval by saying “aye”
Signify | Easy to understand definition of signify by Your Dictionary


DEFINITION OF "SIGN":

1. something that indicates a fact, quality, etc.; indication; token: black as a sign of mourning
2. 1. a gesture or motion that conveys information, gives a command, etc.: a nod as a sign of approval
   2. any of the gestures used in sign language
   3. sign language (sense )
3. a mark or symbol having an accepted and specific meaning, as the sign ¢ for cent(s)
4. any linguistic unit, as a word, letter, etc., that is the symbol of an idea, function, etc.

(SOURCE: Webster's New World College Dictionary)
Sign | Easy to understand definition of sign by Your Dictionary



Notice definition #4 above where it says a word can be used as "the symbol of an idea, function, etc." The fact that Revelation starts off with the very first verse of the entire book announcing it is being presented in signs/symbols--alerting the reader that many of its expression have deeper meanings than the actual words used--speaks for itself. For instance, the expression "the lake of fire" in the book of Revelation is symbolic language. In the Bible, whenever fire is used symbolically, it is with reference to cleansing or permanent destruction. I can demonstrate this to you, if you wish, by using the example of Revelation 20:14, since that seems to be a favorite with hellfire believers.

Let me know.

Psychomom is exactly correct in saying that the NWT has twisted scripture to fit its own belief. It is exactly how the counterfeit works, there will be just enough truth mixed in so that the lie will be believed.

The Angel of God WAS the sign that this IS the Revelation of Jesus Christ. And The Angel bare record of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ in all the things that John saw.

When a person tries to seperate the literal from the symbolic in God's word they miss out. That is how you know it is Gods' word and comes from God Himself, because both the literal and the symbolic are true simultaneously.

This is precisely why I stick with the KJV. Its old enough so that these newer, incorrect beliefs aren't added in, unbeknownst to the innocent reader.

Plus, I got to use the word unbeknownst in a sentence, awesome!!

 

[Alter2Ego]

Psychomom is exactly correct in saying that the NWT has twisted scripture to fit its own belief. It is exactly how the counterfeit works, there will be just enough truth mixed in so that the lie will be believed.

ALTER2EGO -to- GRANDPA:
The forum is waiting for you to present examples of "twisted scripture" in the New World Translation. The individual using the screen name psychomom tried to do it with Revelation 1:1 and failed when it became evident that the NWT was no different from the other three translations he/she presented. Until you can prove what you are saying, I will dismiss your comments as nothing more than your personal opinions.

BTW: I find it interesting that so many people are showing up in the thread complaining about the New World Translation but said nothing when I quoted other Bible versions that were saying the same thing. Never mind that the topic of this thread is about Hellfire and Trinity aka traditions of men and is not about the New World Translation.

 

[marianna]

Never mind that the topic of this thread is about Hellfire and Trinity aka traditions of men and is not about the New World Translation.

Do you belong to the Jehovah's Witness organization?

 

[angelofmercy]

ALTER2EGO -to- GRANDPA:
The forum is waiting for you to present examples of "twisted scripture" in the New World Translation. The individual using the screen name psychomom tried to do it with Revelation 1:1 and failed when it became evident that the NWT was no different from the other three translations he/she presented. Until you can prove what you are saying, I will dismiss your comments as nothing more than your personal opinions.

BTW: I find it interesting that so many people are showing up in the thread complaining about the New World Translation but said nothing when I quoted other Bible versions that were saying the same thing. Never mind that the topic of this thread is about Hellfire and Trinity aka traditions of men and is not about the New World Translation.

It does not matter what bible you use. If the law is SPIRITUAL, how can it be broken or altered? The Angel of the Lord is not Christ. It was WHAT WAS IN THE ANGEL that became flesh and blood. Jesus by flesh and blood was made much better than the angels who are ministers of flame and fire.

 

[Alter2Ego]

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The Angel of God WAS the sign that this IS the Revelation of Jesus Christ. And The Angel bare record of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ in all the things that John saw.

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[/FONT]ALTER2EGO -to- GRANDPA:[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]The angel was itself the sign you say? Below is Revelation 1:1 from the King James Version and two other Bibles--none of which are the New World Translation. Please explain to this forum where that verse says the angel itself was the sign.[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and SIGNIFIED IT by his angel unto his servant John:" (Revelation 1:1 -- KJV)


Below is the same scripture from the Aramaic Bible in Plain English.

"The Revelation of Yeshua The Messiah, which God gave to him, to show his Servants what had been given to soon occur, and HE SYMBOLIZED IT when he sent by his Angel to his Servant Yohannan," (Revelation 1:1 -- ABPE)


Below is the same scripture from the American Standard Version.

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and SIGNIFIED IT by his angel unto his servant John;" (Revelation 1:1 -- ASV)

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[marianna]

Alter2Ego...

Do you belong to the Jehovah's Witness organization?