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Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?
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why would I have to do that? In romans 11 paul did not, there was unbelieving isreal and the remnant who believed, and believing gentile among unbelieving gentiles. You only have to do this when it does not support your position, or if you are talking about another subject. The church is neither jew or gentile, it is the family of God.
You don't have to articulate it. we both agree when a gentile is saved they become children of God.
The world did not see it, They still for the most part do not. This passage says the world will see his power. look at all the wrath judgments in revelation. That is when the world will see Gods might and power. It even says the mighty men hide under rocks and cry out to God to spare them because they know he is the one causing this massive destruction to fall on them.
Sounds exactly who ancient Jerusalem/Israel was, and still is. Lol, I know you do, but try reading the OT sometime (yeah, I'm being sarcastic) 
. BTW, I still love yah!
. BTW, I still love yah!
And ya know I love ya to bro!!
Jeremiah 18:22-23
22 Let a cry be heard from their houses, (who's houses? Certainly not the houses in ancient Babylon- they're all having a good time)
When You bring a troop suddenly upon them; (Babylonian army)
For they have dug a pit to take me, (They = the Israelites, they wanted to kill him verse 23..the Babylon army were not just looking to slay one man, Jeremiah, in fact Jeremiah was taken captive and not slain by Babylon. They could have slain Jeremiah if they wanted or if God allowed)
And hidden snares for my feet. (why, they didn't like the prophet prophesying against them).
23 Yet, Lord, You know all their counsel (their again here is the Israelites in general)
Which is against me, to slay me.
Provide no atonement for their iniquity,
Nor blot out their sin from Your sight;
But let them be overthrown before You.
Deal thus with them
In the time of Your anger. (this sounds like a prayer against Judah to me, atonement was never offered to ancient Babylon, clearly Jeremiah is praying for justice against is own countrymen)
22 Let a cry be heard from their houses, (who's houses? Certainly not the houses in ancient Babylon- they're all having a good time)
When You bring a troop suddenly upon them; (Babylonian army)
For they have dug a pit to take me, (They = the Israelites, they wanted to kill him verse 23..the Babylon army were not just looking to slay one man, Jeremiah, in fact Jeremiah was taken captive and not slain by Babylon. They could have slain Jeremiah if they wanted or if God allowed)
And hidden snares for my feet. (why, they didn't like the prophet prophesying against them).
23 Yet, Lord, You know all their counsel (their again here is the Israelites in general)
Which is against me, to slay me.
Provide no atonement for their iniquity,
Nor blot out their sin from Your sight;
But let them be overthrown before You.
Deal thus with them
In the time of Your anger. (this sounds like a prayer against Judah to me, atonement was never offered to ancient Babylon, clearly Jeremiah is praying for justice against is own countrymen)
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just remember, Jer 17 to 22 speaks about how God will punish Isreal. But then look at 23. What will happen when all of this is done?
23 “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the Lord. 2 Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings,” says the Lord.
These shepherds are gentiles. Not unbelieving or sinful Israel)
3 “But I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countrieswhere I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. 4 I will set up shepherds over them who will feed them; and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, nor shall they be lacking,” says the Lord.
Very important. what happens when God brings them back? and where are they brought back from?
1. Not babylon, but ALL countries.
2. He will bring them back to where? their home land, where they were driven from because of their sin.
3. They will no more live in fear of anyone (did not happen at any time in OT after they were scattered by God. after babylonian captivity, they were still under gentile rule, and lived in fear up till the time of christ) Until he scattered them again in 70 AD
5 “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord,
“That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness;
A King shall reign and prosper,
And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.
6 In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell safely;
Christ did not do this when he came.
Christ did not execure justice on earth, still has not.
isreal and Judah are not living in peace and safety, as promised (this is not spiritual isreal, this is the northern and southern kingdoms of the nbation of Isreal.
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You are assuming the shepherds here are gentiles. My bible says otherwise!
Jeremiah 10:20-21 tells us who these shepherds are:
20 My tent is plundered, (God's tent=temple was always with Israel/Jerusalem in particular)
And all my cords are broken; (God didn't have any cords or covenants with the gentiles at this time)
My children have gone from me, (God never referred to gentiles in this time as His Children)
And they are no more.
There is no one to pitch my tent anymore, (His temple, gentiles at this time were never given the opportunity to build God's temple, besides joining Israel , ex. Ruth and Rahab the harlot)
Or set up my curtains. 21 For the shepherds have become dull-hearted, (the shepard's are clearly shown here to be the Religious leaders, mainly priests).
And have not sought the Lord; (gentiles at this time never had the command to seek the Lord).
Therefore they shall not prosper,
And all their flocks shall be scattered.
The rebellious leaders and people of Israel are ultimately responsible for their scattering, for if they didn't stray to begin with, God would have never removed His protection from them.
Why do I bother! Back up what you say with other scripture.
Jeremiah 10:20-21 tells us who these shepherds are:
20 My tent is plundered, (God's tent=temple was always with Israel/Jerusalem in particular)
And all my cords are broken; (God didn't have any cords or covenants with the gentiles at this time)
My children have gone from me, (God never referred to gentiles in this time as His Children)
And they are no more.
There is no one to pitch my tent anymore, (His temple, gentiles at this time were never given the opportunity to build God's temple, besides joining Israel , ex. Ruth and Rahab the harlot)
Or set up my curtains. 21 For the shepherds have become dull-hearted, (the shepard's are clearly shown here to be the Religious leaders, mainly priests).
And have not sought the Lord; (gentiles at this time never had the command to seek the Lord).
Therefore they shall not prosper,
And all their flocks shall be scattered.
The rebellious leaders and people of Israel are ultimately responsible for their scattering, for if they didn't stray to begin with, God would have never removed His protection from them.
Why do I bother! Back up what you say with other scripture.
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1. we are not talking about jer 10, we are talking about Jer 23.
2. The passage tells us who these Sheppards are.
The Branch of Righteousness
23 “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the Lord. 2 Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings,” says the Lord. 3 “But I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Notice a few things.
1. These sheppards scattered the flock. gentiles did this, The baylonians, the syrians, The romans to think of a few.
2. They feed his people. yet they do not attend to them.
3. Isreal did not scatter themselves. they were scattered by gentiles through God because of their sin.
we can also go to another passage and see this same thing. where Judah and Isreal are gathered together, and brought back.
21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
then jeremiah 30:
‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.
10 ‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the Lord,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with you,’ says the Lord, ‘to save you;
Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,
Yet I will not make a complete end of you.
But I will correct you in justice,
And will not let you go altogether unpunished.’
‘Therefore all those who devour you shall be devoured;
And all your adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity;
Those who plunder you shall become plunder,
And all who prey upon you I will make a prey.
Their children also shall be as before,
And their congregation shall be established before Me;
And I will punish all who oppress them.
this speaks of gentile who oppressed isreal when they had her when she was punished for her sin.
2. The passage tells us who these Sheppards are.
The Branch of Righteousness
23 “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the Lord. 2 Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings,” says the Lord. 3 “But I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Notice a few things.
1. These sheppards scattered the flock. gentiles did this, The baylonians, the syrians, The romans to think of a few.
2. They feed his people. yet they do not attend to them.
3. Isreal did not scatter themselves. they were scattered by gentiles through God because of their sin.
we can also go to another passage and see this same thing. where Judah and Isreal are gathered together, and brought back.
21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
then jeremiah 30:
‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
9 But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.
10 ‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the Lord,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.
11 For I am with you,’ says the Lord, ‘to save you;
Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,
Yet I will not make a complete end of you.
But I will correct you in justice,
And will not let you go altogether unpunished.’
‘Therefore all those who devour you shall be devoured;
And all your adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity;
Those who plunder you shall become plunder,
And all who prey upon you I will make a prey.
Their children also shall be as before,
And their congregation shall be established before Me;
And I will punish all who oppress them.
this speaks of gentile who oppressed isreal when they had her when she was punished for her sin.
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No one believes what you have written.
That is really a stretch just to avoid Jerusalem and corrupt Judaism (the teachers/pastors/rabbis) being the Harlot.
We are not supposed to add to the Word or speak things God did not say.
"Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel,.... The covenant God of that people, who are Called his sheep, and the sheep of his pasture; having made a covenant with their fathers, and provided a good pasture for them, the land of Israel, where they enjoyed all blessings, civil and religious, and appointed persons over them to feed them; but these did not do their duty, and therefore the Lord was against them, as follows:
against the pastors that feed my people; whose office it was to feed, rule, and defend them; and who pretended to do it, but did it not;
ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them; they had been the means of their being driven out of their dwellings, and out of their own land, and of their being among the nations of the world, and took no care for the return of them, any more than they concerned themselves for their welfare when over them; or they suffered the enemy, like beasts of prey, to come in among them, which scattered them, and drove them from their pasture, as sheep are by bears, dogs, and wolves; and took no care to preserve them from them, or to gather them together again to their pasture. The people of the Jews, at the time when Christ came, hereafter prophesied of, were scattered as sheep without a shepherd, and are called the lost sheep of the house of Israel, Matthew 9:36;
Gill
That is really a stretch just to avoid Jerusalem and corrupt Judaism (the teachers/pastors/rabbis) being the Harlot.
We are not supposed to add to the Word or speak things God did not say.
"Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel,.... The covenant God of that people, who are Called his sheep, and the sheep of his pasture; having made a covenant with their fathers, and provided a good pasture for them, the land of Israel, where they enjoyed all blessings, civil and religious, and appointed persons over them to feed them; but these did not do their duty, and therefore the Lord was against them, as follows:
against the pastors that feed my people; whose office it was to feed, rule, and defend them; and who pretended to do it, but did it not;
ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them; they had been the means of their being driven out of their dwellings, and out of their own land, and of their being among the nations of the world, and took no care for the return of them, any more than they concerned themselves for their welfare when over them; or they suffered the enemy, like beasts of prey, to come in among them, which scattered them, and drove them from their pasture, as sheep are by bears, dogs, and wolves; and took no care to preserve them from them, or to gather them together again to their pasture. The people of the Jews, at the time when Christ came, hereafter prophesied of, were scattered as sheep without a shepherd, and are called the lost sheep of the house of Israel, Matthew 9:36;
Gill
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I have never seen anything like this!!
zanah: to commit fornication, be a harlot
Original Word: זָנָה
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: zanah
Phonetic Spelling: (zaw-naw')
Short Definition: harlot
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to commit fornication, be a harlot
NASB Translation
adulterous (1), become a harlot (1), commit adultery (1), commits flagrant harlotry (1), fall to harlotry (1), harlot (22), harlot continually (1), harlot's (2), harlot's* (2), harlot* (3), harlotry (3), harlots (5), making her a harlot (1), play the harlot (18), play the harlot continually (1), played the harlot (24), playing the harlot (3), plays the harlot (1), prostitute (1), unfaithful (1).
Can you admit you made a mistake here?
The reason I ask is that if you can, so much truth will open up to you.
God bless.
zanah: to commit fornication, be a harlot
Original Word: זָנָה
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: zanah
Phonetic Spelling: (zaw-naw')
Short Definition: harlot
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to commit fornication, be a harlot
NASB Translation
adulterous (1), become a harlot (1), commit adultery (1), commits flagrant harlotry (1), fall to harlotry (1), harlot (22), harlot continually (1), harlot's (2), harlot's* (2), harlot* (3), harlotry (3), harlots (5), making her a harlot (1), play the harlot (18), play the harlot continually (1), played the harlot (24), playing the harlot (3), plays the harlot (1), prostitute (1), unfaithful (1).
Can you admit you made a mistake here?
The reason I ask is that if you can, so much truth will open up to you.
God bless.
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Who are God's people?
John 5:23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
John 8:19 Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."
John 16:3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me.
John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
1 John 4:2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
1 John 4:15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God.
1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.
1 John 5:20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true--even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
John 5:23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
John 8:19 Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."
John 16:3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me.
John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
1 John 4:2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
1 John 4:15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God.
1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.
1 John 5:20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true--even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
Ok, you want to say in Jeremiah 23, that's fine, but I also like to tell you we must interpret the unclear with the clear.
Jeremiah 23:2
2 Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings,” says the Lord.
Tell me, who would the shepherds scatter HIS flock and then feed at the same time?
Jeremiah 23:2
2 Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings,” says the Lord.
Tell me, who would the shepherds scatter HIS flock and then feed at the same time?
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A harlot is a prostitute. She plays the harlot by getting the man to sleep with her. This causing the man to commit adultry.
Isreal was not the harlot. The prostitute is the one which caused Isreal to commit adultry against God by sleeping with the false Gods of the people around her. the false Gods were the harlot.
Can't you? If your husband gets a prostitute, he is not the harlot, he is the aduterer. This is what Isreal did, She was not the harlot. Her God was supposed to be our God, they commited adultry by sleeping with the harlot. Which was paganism.
What truth? There is no truth in calling the people of God a prostitute when it was them who committed adultery with the true harlot. Believing you way would cause us to misinterpret prophesy. Which in itself is not cause us danger of losing salvation. But if prophesy comes upon us while we are living, could cause us to do dangerous things.
Isreal was not the harlot. The prostitute is the one which caused Isreal to commit adultry against God by sleeping with the false Gods of the people around her. the false Gods were the harlot.
Can't you? If your husband gets a prostitute, he is not the harlot, he is the aduterer. This is what Isreal did, She was not the harlot. Her God was supposed to be our God, they commited adultry by sleeping with the harlot. Which was paganism.
What truth? There is no truth in calling the people of God a prostitute when it was them who committed adultery with the true harlot. Believing you way would cause us to misinterpret prophesy. Which in itself is not cause us danger of losing salvation. But if prophesy comes upon us while we are living, could cause us to do dangerous things.
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Oh they don't? Everyone I know and have known in my christian life believes this. (and since I was in the military and was members of many churches all over my country) that was alot of people. It was not until I came into chat rooms like this (except for my catholic friends) that I ever hear of this. You should not be so proud to think everyone believes your way.
In the OT, The City and these people were said to be the people of God. When they left God and played with foriegn or false Gods, they committed adultry. It is what they are even doing today. Why would I want to call them harlot. when it is them who is committing adultery. Not causing me to comit adultry with her?
Then why are you doing it?
Ok, You just spoke of Mathew, Which I would agree this is speaking of the men of God, the levites. who because of their spiritual adultery caused people to follow them, and did not feed them the word of God. and helped the enemy to come and scatter her.
But we are not talking about Mathew are we?
In the OT, The City and these people were said to be the people of God. When they left God and played with foriegn or false Gods, they committed adultry. It is what they are even doing today. Why would I want to call them harlot. when it is them who is committing adultery. Not causing me to comit adultry with her?
Then why are you doing it?
Ok, You just spoke of Mathew, Which I would agree this is speaking of the men of God, the levites. who because of their spiritual adultery caused people to follow them, and did not feed them the word of God. and helped the enemy to come and scatter her.
But we are not talking about Mathew are we?
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Isa 1:21 Isaiah 1:21
21 How is the faithful city became a Harlot it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
Matt 23:33“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation. 37“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord
Eze 16:26-30“You also played the Harlot with the Egyptians, your lustful neighbors, multiplying your harlotry to provoke me to anger. Behold, therefore, I stretched out my hand against you, and diminished your allotted portion, and delivered you to the greed of your enemies, the daughters of the Philistines, who were ashamed of your lewd behavior. You played the harlot also with the Assyrians, because you were insatiable; yea, you played the harlot with them, and still you were not satisfied. You multiplied your harlotry also with the trading land of Chaldea; and even with this you were not satisfied. "How lovesick is your heart, says the Lord GOD, seeing you did all these things, the deeds of a brazon harlot;”
Watch:
Isaiah 1:1, 9-10 "The vision which Isaiah, son of Amoz, had concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.…Unless the LORD of hosts had left us a scanty remnant, We had become as Sodom, we should be like Gomorrah. Hear the word of the LORD, princes of Sodom Listen to the instruction of our God, people of Gomorrah !"
Eze 16:26-30“You also played the Harlot with the Egyptians.
Rev 11:8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the Great City, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucufied.
21 How is the faithful city became a Harlot it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
Matt 23:33“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation. 37“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord
Eze 16:26-30“You also played the Harlot with the Egyptians, your lustful neighbors, multiplying your harlotry to provoke me to anger. Behold, therefore, I stretched out my hand against you, and diminished your allotted portion, and delivered you to the greed of your enemies, the daughters of the Philistines, who were ashamed of your lewd behavior. You played the harlot also with the Assyrians, because you were insatiable; yea, you played the harlot with them, and still you were not satisfied. You multiplied your harlotry also with the trading land of Chaldea; and even with this you were not satisfied. "How lovesick is your heart, says the Lord GOD, seeing you did all these things, the deeds of a brazon harlot;”
Watch:
Isaiah 1:1, 9-10 "The vision which Isaiah, son of Amoz, had concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.…Unless the LORD of hosts had left us a scanty remnant, We had become as Sodom, we should be like Gomorrah. Hear the word of the LORD, princes of Sodom Listen to the instruction of our God, people of Gomorrah !"
Eze 16:26-30“You also played the Harlot with the Egyptians.
Rev 11:8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the Great City, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucufied.
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To me it's clear who the Woman in Rev 17 represents.
Here are a few clues that helped me figure it out;
Revelation 17
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Colors found in the Church and worn by her priests.
Gold/Yellow with White for Holy Days, Christmas and Easter.
Red for Pentecost - blood of martrys - Maundy Thursday and Palm Sunday
Violet/Purple - symbolize pain, suffering, penance - Season of Lent.
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
St. John Lateran's Archbasilica and St. John Lateran's Basilica, is the cathedral church of the Diocese of Rome and the official ecclesiastical seat of the Bishop of Rome, who is the Pope. The words Sacrosancta Lateranensis ecclesia omnium urbis et orbis ecclesiarum mater et caput (meaning "Most Holy Lateran Church, of all the churches in the city and the world, the mother and head") are incised in the front wall between the main entrance doors.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Known for persecuting Christians during the dark ages.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Seven hills of Rome
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Signifying it it's a global or universal church. The literal meaning of Catholic is "Universal".
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
The great Vatican City
Here are a few clues that helped me figure it out;
Revelation 17
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Colors found in the Church and worn by her priests.
Gold/Yellow with White for Holy Days, Christmas and Easter.
Red for Pentecost - blood of martrys - Maundy Thursday and Palm Sunday
Violet/Purple - symbolize pain, suffering, penance - Season of Lent.
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
St. John Lateran's Archbasilica and St. John Lateran's Basilica, is the cathedral church of the Diocese of Rome and the official ecclesiastical seat of the Bishop of Rome, who is the Pope. The words Sacrosancta Lateranensis ecclesia omnium urbis et orbis ecclesiarum mater et caput (meaning "Most Holy Lateran Church, of all the churches in the city and the world, the mother and head") are incised in the front wall between the main entrance doors.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Known for persecuting Christians during the dark ages.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Seven hills of Rome
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Signifying it it's a global or universal church. The literal meaning of Catholic is "Universal".
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
The great Vatican City
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Rev 11: 8 speaks of two witnesses being killed and left on the streets of Jerusalem. All the world can see them (notice must have tv and satelites for this to happen) and calls the city sodom and egypt. No mention of the harlot, or it being the harlot.
So why people want to take the city of 11: 8 and make it the same city of chapter 17 is amazing. And also a stretch, It is tradition which makes this the same city, not scripture itself.
So why people want to take the city of 11: 8 and make it the same city of chapter 17 is amazing. And also a stretch, It is tradition which makes this the same city, not scripture itself.
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Thanks for showing us who the harlot is.
1. The egyptions
2. The philistines
3. The assyrians
4. Chaldians
now what is the harlotry in which they "played the harlot" Notice ALL of these lands were pagan nations. Isreal played the harlot, bu not worshiping their god. but commiting adultry with the gods of these nations. And they still were not satisfied as God said. why? we can not be satisfied by sleeping with a prostitute.
This does not prove Jerusalem is the city of 17. It is spiritually called that. why? Because the people who were given it used it to play the harlot with the gods of the people they came out of (egypt) and conquered) all the rest.
Paganism is the harlot. which got its roots from the city of babel. which is why it is called babylon.
1. The egyptions
2. The philistines
3. The assyrians
4. Chaldians
now what is the harlotry in which they "played the harlot" Notice ALL of these lands were pagan nations. Isreal played the harlot, bu not worshiping their god. but commiting adultry with the gods of these nations. And they still were not satisfied as God said. why? we can not be satisfied by sleeping with a prostitute.
This does not prove Jerusalem is the city of 17. It is spiritually called that. why? Because the people who were given it used it to play the harlot with the gods of the people they came out of (egypt) and conquered) all the rest.
Paganism is the harlot. which got its roots from the city of babel. which is why it is called babylon.