Should Christians eat pork?

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Laodicea

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All I do is read the word,
and react to what it says.
Hey Laodicea; how do you read those verses: Acts 10:10-15?
What was the voice saying?
Just for my own edification; could you please enlighten me?
Vision
Acts 10:10-15

(10) And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
(11) And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
(12) Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
(13) And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
(14) But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
(15) And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Meaning
Acts 10:28
(28) And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

 
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weakness

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Take heed that you DON'T BITE AND DEVOUR ONE ANOTHER
The kingdom of God is not meat and drink But righteousness,peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit
 
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Vision
Acts 10:10-15

(10) And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
(11) And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
(12) Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
(13) And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
(14) But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
(15) And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Meaning
Acts 10:28
(28) And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.


So what you are saying is except the gentiles but don't eat the pork.
But what of the creeping things?
The voice told Peter plainly to rise up and eat.
I don't know of any creeping things that were considered clean to eat? Do you?
Which mices, or meeces, or centipedes did God mean when He told Peter to
rise up and eat? Or was that just SPIRITUAL?
It's amazing how certain sects choose to read certain passages as figurative and others as literal.
What of Ezekiel 38-48? Figurative or literal?
 
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Meant 'Accept' instead of 'except', (a freudien slip)
 
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Laodicea

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So what you are saying is except the gentiles but don't eat the pork.
But what of the creeping things?
The voice told Peter plainly to rise up and eat.
I don't know of any creeping things that were considered clean to eat? Do you?
Which mices, or meeces, or centipedes did God mean when He told Peter to
rise up and eat? Or was that just SPIRITUAL?
It's amazing how certain sects choose to read certain passages as figurative and others as literal.
What of Ezekiel 38-48? Figurative or literal?
If people read the whole story in Acts 10 they will see that it is not talking about eating food.
Acts 10:16-19
(16) This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
(17) Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
(18) And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
(19) While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

 
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I apologize for taking so long to answer, I was busy with another thread.

You said the chapter makes it plain that the subject was gentiles and not food.
This was a prophetic utterance was it not?
How many prophecies about the coming Messiah were dual-fold?
Was not the prophecy in Daniel ch.7 concerning the fall of the nation of Israel dual-fold?
Read Matthew 24 and see that has been partially fulfilled and part left in the future.

What I'm saying is, it is common practise for God to speak a dual-fold prophecy.
What about the seed of Abraham? 'Sands of the sea', 'stars of the heavens' - dual-fold.

And what of the very man Peter, who dissembled himself from eating with gentiles when
Jews showed up from Jerusalem? Do you think what he was eating with them was kosher?

This is prophetic utterance in Acts chapter 15 has an obvious dual meaning.



 
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Abiding

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If people read the whole story in Acts 10 they will see that it is not talking about eating food.
Acts 10:16-19
(16) This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
(17) Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
(18) And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
(19) While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

Do you mean it wasnt JUST talking about the food?
Altho we all know it was reffering also to the Gentiles
Is it written anywhere it wasnt talking about the food?

And did everyone get it wrong back then...without one other word said in scripture?

Just a thought: Why did Peter sneak and eat with the gentiles. Then Paul rebukes him for
being deceitful...now i understand theirs a dynamic between the Jews and gentiles at the time.
But there was no rebuke for gentiles food. Or Peter eating there...quite the opposite
 
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Bremster

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This is fascinating.

What was one of the primary issues in Matt 15/Mark 7? It was that the people were holding their traditions, thoughts, ideas above God's commandments. Jesus was attacking them and calling them 'hypocrites' for doing that. "these people honor me with their lips but their hearts are far from me... and in vain they worship me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of MEN. For laying aside the commandments of GOD...all too well you REJECT the commandment of GOD that you may keep YOUR tradition."

Were these people obedient? Yes, but not to God, they were obedient to their own traditions, thoughts and ideas. Jesus said that even though they honor Him with their lips, their hearts were far from Him. Why? Because they believed that their way, their traditions were superior to God's commandments. When we do that, Jesus is saying that even though our lips say one thing, our heart is actually saying something else. Does that sound at all familiar?

The very heart issue that Jesus was referring to was that they put more emphases on their traditions than on being obedient to the commandments of God. And yet, some are pulling one verse out of this example, for our learning, and using it to try and uphold that it's okay to be disobedient to what God commands, and it's okay to do what we think is best and eat whatever we want??? Are we not doing the exact same thing that the Pharisees did when we do that? Are we not telling God, our way is better than your commandments on this one Lord? When we say that it's okay to be disobedient to God's commandments, we are saying that our ways are superior to His. Would Jesus call us hypocrites for doing the exact same thing today? He called the Pharisees hypocrites for doing that so would He say that do us today for doing the same thing? Are we upholding what we want to eat, above what God told us would be good and bad for us to eat?

Is God going to strike you dead on the spot if you eat pork? No. And it boggles my mind that people use this is a catalyst for what is acceptable to God today. You know the God who is the same yesterday, today and forever. However, even though He may not strike you dead on the spot, He's going to certainly allow you to reap the consequences for consuming something that He called an abomination.

Think of it like this. The AIDS virus, would never have been an issue for mankind had mankind just been obedient to God's dietary laws. Think about that, if man was obedient to God's command there would never have been an AIDS virus introduced to humans!!! But no, man thought they knew best, drank the blood of the monkey and then mankind had to live with the consequences of doing so, and the AIDS virus probably ended up having some sort of an impact on every family across the world. So is God mean? Or is God loving for this? Well He was so loving that He gave us instruction on how to refrain from having diseases like AIDS, but we ignored His loving instruction and therefore we suffered the consequences of our sown actions.

It's been mentioned that - America has a serious problem with heart attacks and heart disease. I think the stats are around - one dies every 7 seconds in America from heart disease and another 191,000 die every year of digestive diseases. What is one of the biggest contributing factors? Eating FAT. Of all the animals, which one has the most fat? Pig.

God may not strike you dead on the spot for eating pork, but just look at the stats of countries that consume the most pork and you might just notice that they reap the consequences of those sown actions.

Did you know that shrimp can be placed in disease riddled waters and they will filter it clean? Guess where those diseases end up? Guess what happens when you eat shrimp? 191,000 people in America alone die of digestive diseases. I can assure you that these diseases are not from eating the animals God said were clean. Is your eating traditions above God's commandments?

But here is the surprising thing for me anyways. Why would anyone want to disobey God? If you love Him, keep His commandments. It's pretty straight forward. It will forever boggle my mind that Christians will directly disobey God so that they are not seen as trying to earn their salvation or because they don't want to be legalistic. That just doesn't make any sense to me. "He who says they love me but does not do the things that I say..."

The bible is simple. God created all things, including you and I. He knows what will make us happy, sad, healthy and sick. He loves us SO MUCH that He gave us an instruction manual on how to live our lives. He told us what will make us joyful and happy, peaceful even. But He also told us what would make us miserable, sad and angry. He loves us so much that He told us what would make us healthy and what would make us sick. Did He do that because He hates human beings? No way, He loves us so much, and the very foundation for His instruction is all based on LOVE. He loves us so much that He gave us an instruction manual on how to live a full, healthy and happy life.

Then He gave us literally hundreds of examples of people who were obedient to what He instructed and what transpired from that, and He also gave us hundreds of examples of people who did their own thing, believing their way was better, and disobeyed God's instruction manual and what they reaped from their sown actions. And that stats are as follows:
Everyone who was obedient to God - good things happened, "God's will" was carried forward, awesome abundant blessing.
Everyone who was disobedient to God - not so good things happened, life was miserable, cursing instead of blessings.

Despite having the most precious DIY instruction manual ever created, and hundreds of examples to back it up, today man still thinks that their way is better than being obedient to God. It's been the issue ever since the garden, it was the issue during the time that Jesus walked on the earth, and it's the same issue today.

Seriously, how difficult is it to just pick up the chicken, turkey, roast beef instead of the ham? 191,000 Americans die every year from digestive diseases. Do you honestly think that God is not allowing people to reap what they sow? Does God know best or do we know best?

I'm not judging any of you, I'm just shocked that someone can say that they love God, and yet turn right around and do something He called an abomination. If mankind lived according to God's instruction manual what problems would we have today? Think about that. ZERO!!! God's ways always have been and always will be perfect. Why would any of us want to go against His ways???

I love all you alls.
 
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John51

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Yes, dear Lord.....eat pork. nothing the Lord make is unclean. It is not what goes into the mouth that is unclean it is what come out. Christ on eating food. Grab a pulled pork snadwich and enjoy. God loves you.
 
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Just eat what you will, I think that is what Christ Jesus would say
 
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#51
Everyone who was obedient to God - good things happened, "God's will" was carried forward, awesome abundant blessing.
Everyone who was disobedient to God - not so good things happened, life was miserable, cursing instead of blessings.

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This is not true, following the cross does not insure you riches and fame.
Jesus was marred more than any man.
All the disciples were killed save one, (whom they tried to kill).
There is a book called the New Testament written in Jesus' blood.
I suggest you read it.
 
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Bremster

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I apologize for taking so long to answer, I was busy with another thread.

You said the chapter makes it plain that the subject was gentiles and not food.
This was a prophetic utterance was it not?
How many prophecies about the coming Messiah were dual-fold?
Was not the prophecy in Daniel ch.7 concerning the fall of the nation of Israel dual-fold?
Read Matthew 24 and see that has been partially fulfilled and part left in the future.

What I'm saying is, it is common practise for God to speak a dual-fold prophecy.
What about the seed of Abraham? 'Sands of the sea', 'stars of the heavens' - dual-fold.

And what of the very man Peter, who dissembled himself from eating with gentiles when
Jews showed up from Jerusalem? Do you think what he was eating with them was kosher?

This is prophetic utterance in Acts chapter 15 has an obvious dual meaning.



Yes, some had a dual meaning but some did not.

Matthew 24 - didn't have a dual meaning - it's just taking a while for it to be fulfilled - after all our time frame is different to God's and just because something is partially fulfilled, doesn't mean that it has a double meaning, it's just not fully fulfilled yet.

All the other dual meaning prophecies as you described were substantiated through scripture. Yes, some have dual meanings but they were all substantiated through scripture. To say that the prophetic utterance in Acts 15 has a dual meaning is not substantiated in scripture.

Also keep in mind God created all things for a purpose. The creatures that called called an abomination for consumption actually play a very important role in the environment, they have a specific purpose, it's just that consumption by humans isn't one of them.
 
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Bremster

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Yes, dear Lord.....eat pork. nothing the Lord make is unclean. It is not what goes into the mouth that is unclean it is what come out. Christ on eating food. Grab a pulled pork snadwich and enjoy. God loves you.
Christ was talking about eating food without washing the dirt off your hands. NOTHING to do with eating pork mate. Sure God loves you, but do you know what the scriptures say about how to show your love to God?
 
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Yes, some had a dual meaning but some did not.

Matthew 24 - didn't have a dual meaning - it's just taking a while for it to be fulfilled - after all our time frame is different to God's and just because something is partially fulfilled, doesn't mean that it has a double meaning, it's just not fully fulfilled yet.

All the other dual meaning prophecies as you described were substantiated through scripture. Yes, some have dual meanings but they were all substantiated through scripture. To say that the prophetic utterance in Acts 15 has a dual meaning is not substantiated in scripture.

Also keep in mind God created all things for a purpose. The creatures that called called an abomination for consumption actually play a very important role in the environment, they have a specific purpose, it's just that consumption by humans isn't one of them.

Hey Bremster,
You seem like a nice enough guy.
Why the legalism?
I mean, what do you hope to achieve by proving eating pork is akin to adultery?
(You didn't by the way)
Acts 10 stands on it's own.
 
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Bremster

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Everyone who was obedient to God - good things happened, "God's will" was carried forward, awesome abundant blessing.
Everyone who was disobedient to God - not so good things happened, life was miserable, cursing instead of blessings.

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This is not true, following the cross does not insure you riches and fame.
Jesus was marred more than any man.
All the disciples were killed save one, (whom they tried to kill).
There is a book called the New Testament written in Jesus' blood.
I suggest you read it.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for the confusion - I think what Jesus went through, falls into the category of "God's will was carried forward". I meant it to read that one of three things happened.
 
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Bremster

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Hey Bremster,
You seem like a nice enough guy.
Why the legalism?
I mean, what do you hope to achieve by proving eating pork is akin to adultery?
(You didn't by the way)
Acts 10 stands on it's own.
Cheers mate, you seem genuine and nice enough yourself.

I think you confuse obedience with legalism.

My bible tells me that if I love God I am to obey His commandments. It also tells me that if I say I love God but don't keep the commandments then I'm a liar.

Therefore, based on what Jesus said, the desire of my heart is to be as obedient to God as I can. Not that it will earn me salvation, but that God will know that I love Him as much as He loves me. To me, words are cheap.

And fyi - I didn't akin adultery to eating pork, the Lord God Almighty did. :)
 
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What country are you in?
(It has to be one that england set up, seeing the union jack!:)

 

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Acts 10:15 (NIV)
15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
 
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Bibleman

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So then, does this mean it isn't a sin to eat crab legs?