Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love.

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Abiding

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Gods love is unconditional.
His blessings are conditional.
I think thats what the OP meant to say. :)
His conditional blessings are a product of His Unconditional Love
 
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jric

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it does not conflict with what the LORD said. it conflicts with what you said. GOD moved toward us first.there is nothing in us that was desirable to HIM. and you or i will never produce anything of ourselves worthy of our salvation. its natural to want to 'do' something. but obedience is better than sacrifice. this is the work of GOD, that you believe on HIM WHO HE HAS SENT.
 
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and for the record, i plead guilty to all the laws, not conditions, that i have violated. but my guilty plea is irrelevant. you and i have a sacrifice given by GOD that is acceptable to GOD.there is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood. blessed is the man to whom the LORD will not impute sin. a social gripe does not scratch the surface of our depravity.we need more than what we can offer each other.we need GOD.and HE was never obligated to do what HE did but HE did.how deep is that love?do you really question its conditionality?what conditions did you meet to merit this great sacrifice?what will you do to prove yourself worthy of its eternal nature? or are you even aware of what you are implying?
 

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Deut 30v:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

the Lord set the table

choose

1Cor 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

here is the condition Jesus set forth to those that love him

Jn 14:15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

the condition from God's mouth is for us to keep his commandments



1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

God's love requires us to keep his commandments.
I have been pondering this tha last few days.
As many would take this as saying if they sin they will not have God's love.
When God's love is unconditional in that He has given us in Jesus payment for all our sins.
Too often many will look to the sin, when we are called to look to Jesus.
To love God Our Father.
What I see in these scriptures is not about God's love being conditional.
But the way to His unconditional love.
That by choosing life, His love, we remaine on the path that is life, love.
But to choose the path of evil, sin, is choosing death.
God knows and see that we need to learn this path, and thats why Jesus is our salvation, the price for our sins, because sometimes we will fail.
But what God is telling us is that as long as we choose life, His unconditional love, we will recive it.
As Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life, light!
God's love is unconditional, He is just asking us to choose to recive it! :)

Before man is life and death, fire and water, which will you choose?

Choose that which is unconditional! :)

God bless
pickles
 
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God loves all of us. But he loves us to much to leave us the way he found us. God Bless.
 
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I have been pondering this tha last few days.
As many would take this as saying if they sin they will not have God's love.
When God's love is unconditional in that He has given us in Jesus payment for all our sins.
Too often many will look to the sin, when we are called to look to Jesus.
To love God Our Father.
What I see in these scriptures is not about God's love being conditional.
But the way to His unconditional love.
That by choosing life, His love, we remaine on the path that is life, love.
But to choose the path of evil, sin, is choosing death.
God knows and see that we need to learn this path, and thats why Jesus is our salvation, the price for our sins, because sometimes we will fail.
But what God is telling us is that as long as we choose life, His unconditional love, we will recive it.
As Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life, light!
God's love is unconditional, He is just asking us to choose to recive it! :)

Before man is life and death, fire and water, which will you choose?

Choose that which is unconditional! :)

God bless
pickles
What if man choose death do the God of unconditional love love them in spite of there choice of death?

I choose the condition of keeping his commandments as he commanded
 
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God loves all of us. But he loves us to much to leave us the way he found us. God Bless.
Impossible
God said

Proverbs 8:17 (KJV)
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
 
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Malachi 1:3 (KJV)
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

Romans 9:13 (KJV)
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

God don't love everyone. He hates a nation of people called Esau
 
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Revelation 2:6,15 (KJV)
But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. [15] So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

God hates these people doctrine and deeds
 
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That's because he sold his birthright.
In other words he hated the promise of the future inheritance,
and sold it for a bowl of soup.

That wasn't because God didn't love him.
That was because he spurned the promise(inheritance), and
considered it an unworthy thing to keep.
These are old testament signs and symbols.
The promise is Jesus; and the inheritance is the faith in His
finished work.
 
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it does not conflict with what the LORD said. it conflicts with what you said. GOD moved toward us first.there is nothing in us that was desirable to HIM. and you or i will never produce anything of ourselves worthy of our salvation. its natural to want to 'do' something. but obedience is better than sacrifice. this is the work of GOD, that you believe on HIM WHO HE HAS SENT.
Unfortunately most Christians know not of the Jesus of the bible

Read what Paul say about people you quote and if you think God loved everyone and his love is unconditional you fall under this

Romans 10:9-10,13-17 (KJV)
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

[13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. [14] How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

[15] And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

[16] But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


Who has heard that God said
John 14:15 (KJV)
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

And said

John 15:10 (KJV)
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Do you believe this?
 
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Esau isn't the Nocolaitanes.
The nikolaitanes are people who lord over the body.
Nike - victor, victory
Laity - body of people, assembly.

Nikolaitanes are those spiritual leaders who take the place of Christ.
Telling their parishioners to follow what they say, even though it is contrary
to the Word of God.
 
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That's because he sold his birthright.
In other words he hated the promise of the future inheritance,
and sold it for a bowl of soup.

That wasn't because God didn't love him.
That was because he spurned the promise(inheritance), and
considered it an unworthy thing to keep.
These are old testament signs and symbols.
The promise is Jesus; and the inheritance is the faith in His
finished work.
Wrong

God hates Esau because of this

Obadiah 1:8-11 (KJV)
Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord , even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau? [9] And thy mighty men , O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter. [10] For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever. [11] In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.

He hates this nation of people proving that he don't love everyone
 
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Esau isn't the Nocolaitanes.
The nikolaitanes are people who lord over the body.
Nike - victor, victory
Laity - body of people, assembly.

Nikolaitanes are those spiritual leaders who take the place of Christ.
Telling their parishioners to follow what they say, even though it is contrary
to the Word of God.
I never said they were

They are the RCC

Check it out
 
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That's the wicked who persecute the believers in Jesus.
Those are people who kill and falsely accuse.
Or lead into false doctrine.
You have to stop reading the O.T. literally.
Is Jesus a literal Lion?
Or a literal star.
Is He a literal rose of Sharon?

Think about it Ozell.
 
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and for the record, i plead guilty to all the laws, not conditions, that i have violated. but my guilty plea is irrelevant. you and i have a sacrifice given by GOD that is acceptable to GOD.there is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood. blessed is the man to whom the LORD will not impute sin. a social gripe does not scratch the surface of our depravity.we need more than what we can offer each other.we need GOD.and HE was never obligated to do what HE did but HE did.how deep is that love?do you really question its conditionality?what conditions did you meet to merit this great sacrifice?what will you do to prove yourself worthy of its eternal nature? or are you even aware of what you are implying?
Revelation 20:11-13 (KJV)
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. [12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Keep sinning an I guarantee the God of conditional love will show you howuch he love you

Revelation 20:14-15 (KJV)
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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Nicolaitanes are anybody that substitutes themselves for the Lord.

It's more than just one church.

Check it out Ozell.
 
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That's the wicked who persecute the believers in Jesus.
Those are people who kill and falsely accuse.
Or lead into false doctrine.
You have to stop reading the O.T. literally.
Is Jesus a literal Lion?
Or a literal star.
Is He a literal rose of Sharon?

Think about it Ozell.
Are you saying that Esau is not a literal person and the events in Obadiah is not literal