What does it mean to hold to a form of godliness, yet deny its power?

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From 2 Timothy 3:

But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,
unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,
treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.


The part I'm wondering about is in bold. What exactly does everyone think that means?
 
They have made a graven image of YHWH as if He has the heart of a man, and denied His intent and power to fix everyone.

"All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto YHWH"
This verse has no veil.

Yet they read and teach the obvious metaphors of scripture with the heart of condemnation.
 
I think in Paul's context it meant people who preached a rules based salvation, that looked Godly, but didn't have the power of the Gospel.

Romans 1
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[e] just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”[f]

I would say in application it has many forms.

A form of godliness that denies the power, may be from those who actually preach signs/wonders/healing with more emphasis than actual born again salvation. On the surface it looks full of power, but their emphasis misses what the gospel is about. Namely the power to bring salvation.

Some may say you're teaching a powerless teaching if you teach salvation without an emphasis on signs/wonders/healing. Such an assertion is silly, and in fact, is, in and of itself, a form of godliness that denies the power.
 
From 2 Timothy 3:

But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,
unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,
treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.


The part I'm wondering about is in bold. What exactly does everyone think that means?

It basically means actually not believing in God and showing Him reverence. Being devoted to him.

Clearly the list of sins shows that though people say they "believe in God" (you could include all religions in this), they are denying the Power of if (which the NT says, as 1Stillwater said, is the Gospel). Look how many people say they believe in "A" God. They claim to lives their lives according to some principle they think is godly.

eusebeia: piety
Original Word: εὐσέβεια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: eusebeia
Phonetic Spelling: (yoo-seb'-i-ah)
Short Definition: piety, godliness
Definition: piety (towards God), godliness, devotion, godliness.


2150 eusébeia (from 2095 /eú "well" and 4576 /sébomai, "venerate, pay homage") – properly, someone's inner response to the things of God which shows itself in godly piety (reverence). 2150 /eusébeia ("godly heart-response") naturally expresses itself in reverence for God, i.e. what He calls sacred (worthy of veneration).
 
[size=+1]"holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these."

Following the subject matter you know the other sentences : its like;
They like to look religious, or holy. They call themselves a ministry or church or whatever But non of it follows the scriptures, its all confusion.
They are all fake. They teach traditions of men., rather then God's word. [/size]
 
From 2 Timothy 3:

But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,
unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,
treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

The part I'm wondering about is in bold. What exactly does everyone think that means?

You are wondering about the following:
holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power;

Allow me to answer you by giving you a couple of scriptures. And the question which I am going to issue before I give the scriptures is this: How was the gospel preached?

1
Mat 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Luk 4:32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.

2
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

3
Luk 9:6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.

4
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

Act 14:7 And there they preached the gospel.
Act 14:8 And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:
Act 14:9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,
Act 14:10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.

5
Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

The answer is quite simple and obvious:
1 Wherever Jesus went and preached the Gospel... He did it with power (miracles)
2 In the great commission it states that when we preach the gospel - miracles must follow as signs to faith for the unbelievers.
3 In the training of the disciples... they preached the gospel with power (miracles)
4 In their ministery the disciples still preached the gospel with power. (miracles)
5 Even Paul, who only joined the ranks afterwards preached the Gospel with power

Now your query again...
holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power;

We serve the same Master, abide (hopefully) by the same commands. It is our duty to fulfill the obligation of preaching gospel with power.
So wherever we preach the gospel, evidence of God must be given. Kind of like His fingerprint.

This doesn't have to be Healing necessarily...here is an example of something that wasn't healing...
Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

But everywhere the gospel was preached, miracles followed. This is what it means. A lot of people try to preach the gospel, but they don't add God's fingerprint as it where. They tell off Jesus, but don't show it. They preach God heals, but then don't heal anyone. They preach God knows all things, but don't prophecy. Whenever one preach the Gospel, the power of God must go with it.

To explain why... say for example You just heard the gospel for the very first time. All your life, your one leg has been shorter than the other one. As the preacher explains the Gospel upon which you accept what he says, as you come to faith, he walks towards you, touch your legs, and you literally see your one leg grow to the length of the other one. Now just there and then, One your faith is made absolute. Your doubt which you might have had is completely gone. In fact, you might even be eager to go out and preach the gospel yourself just to see God in action again. That is normal for all people.

The other day, we were sitting in a group and talking to a couple of youngsters. One of the youngsters said his arm was in pain. I saw he had enough faith to be curious and God told me to heal him, so I called him closer, put his two arms together and the young man could clearly see his one arm growing and shrinking to its correct position and afterward the pain was gone. Now that experience nobody can take away from that young man. I mean he can forget me, I don't care. But he will remember that God healed him and how he healed him. He will not ever again doubt the existence of God. Questions he will still have, as being a young man... true. But never will he doubt again in God. For he saw with his own eyes and experienced with his own body. And nobody, not even I, can ever take that away from him.

And that is how the gospel must be preached. With power. There are those that deny it and hold themselves to some form of godliness. But they deny the power of the Gospel of Christ and as such deny that God puts His fingerprint on His gospel.
 
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. (2 Timothy 3:5)
Having a form of godliness or righteousness. Those that have a form of righteousness. Thinking their righteousness will get them to God -
But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. (Isaiah 64:6)

Everyone comes short to God -
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Romans 3:23)

We all need God's righteousness
Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: (Romans 3:22)
To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. (Romans 3:26)


Those that deny the power thereof deny their salvation. They deny the gospel(the preaching of the cross(Christ death, burial and resurrection)) -
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. (Romans 1:16)
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)

The Gospel Christ gave to Paul -
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scripture
s: (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
 
From 2 Timothy 3:

But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,
unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,
treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.


The part I'm wondering about is in bold. What exactly does everyone think that means?

same as me i am wondering the same thing because them are ?s i will be asking the lord and Savior