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It pretty much says so.
And I used to believe in it enough, that eventually I started wishing and even praying, that I could stay behind, because it says followers will be persecuted and die in His name. No mark = beheaded.
This would give a person a chance to truly follow Him to a pre-determined death, as a true second witness to Him.
I still believe in the "rapture", however I do not believe it comes until very soon after that.
I think if I'm wrong, I'll be fine.
The other way, if I were wrong, I would be found unprepared for the last days.
Sorry, as far as verses go, they are scattered and I don't remember verse #'s, I have to search for most online by phrases that they contain. Repeatedly.
And I used to believe in it enough, that eventually I started wishing and even praying, that I could stay behind, because it says followers will be persecuted and die in His name. No mark = beheaded.
This would give a person a chance to truly follow Him to a pre-determined death, as a true second witness to Him.
I still believe in the "rapture", however I do not believe it comes until very soon after that.
I think if I'm wrong, I'll be fine.
The other way, if I were wrong, I would be found unprepared for the last days.
Sorry, as far as verses go, they are scattered and I don't remember verse #'s, I have to search for most online by phrases that they contain. Repeatedly.
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Hello, Helen! Welcome to the site.
Although there is some dispute as to the timing, I feel we may be assured that the Lord will retrieve His bride. ♥
There are those who feel certain their eschatology is firm, and believe with their whole hearts they grasp the scriptures as to the timing.
I cannot number myself among them, for lack of study, I think.
But whenever it is, and however the Lord proceeds, I am confident of His provision in all things.
grace and peace,
ellie
Although there is some dispute as to the timing, I feel we may be assured that the Lord will retrieve His bride. ♥
There are those who feel certain their eschatology is firm, and believe with their whole hearts they grasp the scriptures as to the timing.
I cannot number myself among them, for lack of study, I think.
But whenever it is, and however the Lord proceeds, I am confident of His provision in all things.
grace and peace,
ellie
I do believe that we will be raptured. When, well, there is a lot of debate about that. But one of the verses that is used is this one:
Matthew 24:40
Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left (the context of the versus is Jesus is talking about his Second Coming)
There are others but I don't remember and can't reference them off the top of my head. So here you go and God bless.
Matthew 24:40
Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left (the context of the versus is Jesus is talking about his Second Coming)
There are others but I don't remember and can't reference them off the top of my head. So here you go and God bless.
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1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.
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God is not angered at Christ's Bride. Why then would she be placed under His judgment against the unrighteousness of the unrighteous?
But this does not say that there will not be Tribulation Saints, seeing that it says (in the middle of the tribulation) that they who die henceforth in Christ shall rest from their works.
But this does not say that there will not be Tribulation Saints, seeing that it says (in the middle of the tribulation) that they who die henceforth in Christ shall rest from their works.
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1 Corinthians 15:50-52
50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
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Acts 1:9-11
9 And after He [Jesus] had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And as they [the disciples] were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them.
11 They [two Angels] also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”
*** verse 11 is our key ***
Jesus will return in the same manner the disciples saw Jesus ascend into heaven. Those disciple are, obviously, not currently alive to see Jesus' return, and we, obviously, were not there either when Jesus ascended into heaven.
Those disciples will, literally, be resurrected in order for them to see Jesus' return. Therefore, it's by faith that the discipled believed the two Angles as we believe also that the return of our Savior Jesus Christ will happen in God's due time.
9 And after He [Jesus] had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And as they [the disciples] were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them.
11 They [two Angels] also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”
*** verse 11 is our key ***
Jesus will return in the same manner the disciples saw Jesus ascend into heaven. Those disciple are, obviously, not currently alive to see Jesus' return, and we, obviously, were not there either when Jesus ascended into heaven.
Those disciples will, literally, be resurrected in order for them to see Jesus' return. Therefore, it's by faith that the discipled believed the two Angles as we believe also that the return of our Savior Jesus Christ will happen in God's due time.
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Rev 7:2-8 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he
cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, (3)
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God
in their foreheads. (4) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an
hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. (5) Of the tribe of Juda
were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of
Gad were sealed twelve thousand. (6) Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe
of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. (7)
Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve
thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. (8) Of the tribe of Zabulon were
sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin
were sealed twelve thousand.
Are there Gentile servants of God on the planet now? Yes.
Do you see any reference to a single Gentile in that list above? I don't either.
There you go.
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A Gentile is the old man, we now are the new man old things have pass away and all things are new, for there is nether Jew or Greek in Christ Jesus. And he hath made one blood all nations of men.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
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2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
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Sorry buddy but nothing about the middle of the tribulation there. And before the seven last plagues there we are standing on the sea of glass after getting the victory over the beast and his mark. And THEN the seven last plagues are poured out upon the wicked
Rv15:1And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
And then the seven last plagues are poured out upon the wicked after we get the victory over the beast
RV 16:1And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
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1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
We are out of the darkness into his marvellous light: a royal priesthood, an holy nation, where there is no Jew or Greek or Gentile, and no old man ether for all thing are become new.
If you are looking for the church in Revelation it’s were two or three are gathered together in his name, and there is plenty that follow Jesus in Revelation
We are out of the darkness into his marvellous light: a royal priesthood, an holy nation, where there is no Jew or Greek or Gentile, and no old man ether for all thing are become new.
If you are looking for the church in Revelation it’s were two or three are gathered together in his name, and there is plenty that follow Jesus in Revelation
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Thanks for all of your precious answers, i think i have some clue about it. Means we gonna prepare well in the Lord to be faithful to Him till the end, no matter what will happen to us in the next. On the other hand, i have another question, are there any Jew will be saved in the name of our Lord or are we (gentiles and Jews) consider as brothers and sisters until eternity ?
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Sines when are we now building are foundation and doctrine on what’s not in the scriptures?
Jesus said: the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and life, NOT the words I don’t speak unto you.
A gentile is and unbeliever, we are born again and washes whiter than snow, and all things are now new, and put off the old man and put on the new man. And we have come out of the darkness into his light.
We are a holey nation, a royal priesthood, and perfect in one, and we are not a gentile any more.
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
John 17:22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Jesus said: the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and life, NOT the words I don’t speak unto you.
A gentile is and unbeliever, we are born again and washes whiter than snow, and all things are now new, and put off the old man and put on the new man. And we have come out of the darkness into his light.
We are a holey nation, a royal priesthood, and perfect in one, and we are not a gentile any more.
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
John 17:22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
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[size=+1]Christ said, Paul repeated Christ and the other apostles all said. That Christ dose not come. In no way shape of form; Until after a great falling away from the faith in the form of Satan coming to this earth claiming to be God. And the elect standing against him
Then and only after Satan dose Christ return to consume Satan's lies . That is recorded in 2nd Thess chapter two. Mark 13, Luke 21, Matthew 24, Revelation 13, etc. And in the whole book of Revelation.
Christ returns at the 7th trump. But That Satan arrives at the 6th Trump. So 6 comes before 7. And it dose not say anything about a taking of anyone in between those times. Every time it shows Christ returning in 1st thess and places in Rev. Satan has already done his job, then after , and only after Satan; dose it show Christ retuning. That is what many fail to read. Try not to hyper focus on one scripture . Pull back to get the full perspective.
For example: In Mark 13 there is a teaching that says, " two are in the field and one is taken" also " pray that your flight be Not in the Winter"
What people neglect is the subject . The subject is Ant-Christ; The one in the field taken; is taken by the subject. Pray that your flight be not in the Winter" Same subject here too. Harvest time is summer. Why would you want to leave in the winter. ? It would mean you were taken out of season. by naturally the subject. which is Satan.[/size]
Then and only after Satan dose Christ return to consume Satan's lies . That is recorded in 2nd Thess chapter two. Mark 13, Luke 21, Matthew 24, Revelation 13, etc. And in the whole book of Revelation.
Christ returns at the 7th trump. But That Satan arrives at the 6th Trump. So 6 comes before 7. And it dose not say anything about a taking of anyone in between those times. Every time it shows Christ returning in 1st thess and places in Rev. Satan has already done his job, then after , and only after Satan; dose it show Christ retuning. That is what many fail to read. Try not to hyper focus on one scripture . Pull back to get the full perspective.
For example: In Mark 13 there is a teaching that says, " two are in the field and one is taken" also " pray that your flight be Not in the Winter"
What people neglect is the subject . The subject is Ant-Christ; The one in the field taken; is taken by the subject. Pray that your flight be not in the Winter" Same subject here too. Harvest time is summer. Why would you want to leave in the winter. ? It would mean you were taken out of season. by naturally the subject. which is Satan.[/size]
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