Christ or Medicine ???

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peter1

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I would like to start a new Topic for us all to discuss.I think its really important and everyone needs help with it !

Simply the topic is in the title.

When you feel sick,or have a disease,where do you turn? Almost 100% or worldly people i would say,would
turn to modern medicine for relief or a possible cure.Its so easy to obtain and it seems to offer so much !?

Just to let you all know,i am not on the medicine agreeing side of the topic.

Yes,i hear you saying,Christ of course ! Then a pot hole comes,a cold or flu,or a evil disease.

Where do you go to from here ? please share with me your thoughts and i am more than happy to help you
through the burning and important question,Christ or Medicine.



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Aqua_Girl09

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Both? i mean God made us with thinking minds to be able to come up with this kind of medicine. and i REALLY don't think he wants us to not take it. But relying on him and praying is also important. God can heal anything he wants when and where. But I don't think he ment for us to ignore modern medicine.
 
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Cubbykovu

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I have never used medecine much I always just sweat fevers out and ignore pain and things like that. Now I will start asking God for the help I need too
 
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Cubbykovu

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Oh yes but if I am prescribed medecine I ALWAYS take it
 
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Stuey

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Both, please both. People have died for refusing prescribed medication.

Do you not eat food because you rely on God for everything?
 
Nautilus

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This is dumb...there is no reason whatsoever not to use medicine when you are sick, If anything choosing not to is irresponsible because you are putting yourself and others at risk
 
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jb

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A few points on this:

1) Prov 17v22 states, 'A merry heart does good, like medicine (Strong's OT: 1456), But a broken spirit dries the bones,' and 1Tim 5v23, 'No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent infirmities.'

So we see that in the OT Solomon (with his great wisdom) states that the taking of medicine was good and proper and in the NT, Paul recommends Timothy to drink wine (for medicinal purposes) for his stomach problems and his frequent illnesses. It is in all probability that Paul received this advice from Luke, the beloved physician who travelled with Paul and his missionary band certainly from Acts 16v12, and it would also be reasonable to think that Luke gave Paul and his other companions other medical advice as well.

2) Exodus 15v26 states, '..."If you diligently heed the voice of the Lord your God and do what is right in His sight, give ear to His commandments and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have brought on the Egyptians. For I am the Lord who heals you." and Psalm 103v3 states ' Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases.' (this is the great covenant Name of 'Yahweh Rapha' which, along with all the other covenant Names ane covenanted to Christians by Christ's shed Blood, 2Cor 1v20) Isaiah 53v4 states ' Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, And our pains — he hath carried them...' with Matt 8v16,17 '...and did heal all who were ill, that it might be fulfilled that was spoken through Isaiah the prophet, saying, 'Himself took our infirmities, and the sicknesses he did bear.''

In both OT and NT there are definite promises for divine healing, also note that the healing provided in the Atonement by Christ hanging upon the Cross, descending into Hades and being Resurrected is emphasised by God by a most definite 'SURELY.'

3) So, as already stated in other posts, the balanced commonsense approach to seeking healing is by calling upon the Name of the Lord Jesus and by using the medical profession...use the best of both worlds!

I have known both Christians and Pastors who have rejected the medical profession and said that they were trusting the Lord Jesus for their healing and then died because of their folly!

I work in the health inductry, my speciality being in the neuro/musculo/skeletal branches and I recognise both divine healing (through the gifts of the Holy Spirit) and that of traditional and complementary medicine...

A good study on divine healing can be found Here

Yahweh Shalom
 
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Jordache

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Both. To not use medicine is to put God to an unnecessary test. It remind me of the story of the man caught in a flood. He sat on his roof telling all his neighbors to leave him be because God would save him. A boat came by, "let me help you. Get in and I'll take you to safety." He responded, " no God will save me." Another boat came by. "Come on man, let me help you." "No, God will save me." A helicopter flew over and tossed down a ladder. "God will save me." The man died and went to heaven and sole with God. "God, I waited and believed. Why didn't you save me?" God replied, "I sent you two boats and a helicopter!"
Medicine is a tool that God can use. It does not take away His glory.
There was a couple in Oregon in the past couple of years who were convicted of negligence because their two children both died of simple illnesses because they refused to take them for medical treatment due to religious convictions.
 
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kenisyes

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From experience: God told me what I can and can't eat, how much exercise I need, etc. He taught me about my body, how it works, and taught me enough to help other people sometimes with prayer. That keeps me pretty healthy. But you have to seek Him out for it, and do what He tells you.

Two months after I got saved, I had a lump on my chest. I asked God, He said "it's a cyst". I had never heard the word, so I looked it up. I was still fearful. I went to the doctor. He said it was a cyst. That was the last time I went to a doctor.

When my wife died, God told us ahead, we cried and prayed through it. She laid in bed for 3 weeks talking to God, while I took care of her, and prayed with her. No one, I repeat, no one, even noticed. She chose to die at the hospital at the end, and I gave her to Jesus while doctors watched incredulous at how God arranged it.

Eight years ago, I tripped on a curb on a 10% downgrade carrying 35 lb. of groceries in a backpack. My wife prayed, I prayed, everybody prayed. Unheard of in my life, people gathered around, and insisted an ambulance be called. I had bilateral quadriceps rupture (this is what football players get from scrimmaging too hard - check out my age). I was in the hospital with an operation for 3 weeks, because at my age they suspect a systemic cause. 12 weeks immobilization, God paid the bills, no pain after the first 24 hours, I leg lift 110 lbs. at the gym, and Friday I'm going walking again (on the knees God gave me) for nearly 10 miles, like I did last week.

Conclusion: Healing is part of God's perfect plan for us. The world is still full of sin, and God's plan doesn't always come out perfect on this side of the thousand year reign. If you seek Jesus, He will get you to the doctor when you need it, He will keep you away when you don't. He will keep you well when the world lets Him, and will help you through it when it's your ministry or it's your time.
 
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peter1 said:
Just to let you all know,i am not on the medicine agreeing side of the topic.)
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Why do you disagree with medicine?

I couldn't respond any better than jb did. I will add this, though. The Apostle Paul had a personal physician - Luke, the doctor, who authored the Gospel of Luke and the book of Acts. That's pretty good reason to believe that God doesn't have any problem with medicine or people who administer it.

I don't see a conflict between Christ and medicine. When I have a headache (like right now), I take medicine for it. When I'm sick in general I take medicine as circumstance allows. It's no accident the world around us is full of herbs and chemicals that heal us. Nor is it accidental that we have complex brains which can create artificial medicines to handle otherwise deadly diseases. If I have the flu, or if someone has cancer, of course I'm going to pray! Part of my conversion process was a healing of a sore throat. Medicine doesn't make it impossible for God to perform miracles. He can (and indeed will) if he wants to. Medicine is simply a pragmatic, systematic thing given to us by God.
 
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_Ryan_

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Being the son of a Dr/Trauma Surgeon, if it was something major, yes, I would go the the Dr, and take medicine. God put people like my mother on earth, gave her the skills and knowledge to save lives and make people better, and as stated above gave others the knowledge to invent life saving medications.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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It's not an either or proposition. God created the world and humanity with the intention that we would use the world's resources and our intellect in wise ways. In my life, I've experienced supernatural healing from God but I've also discovered that when He is silent on a medical issue in my life, it's always because there is adequate help available from the medical community. That's been my experience. BOTH are available to us.

peter1 said:
I would like to start a new Topic for us all to discuss.I think its really important and everyone needs help with it !

Simply the topic is in the title.

When you feel sick,or have a disease,where do you turn? Almost 100% or worldly people i would say,would
turn to modern medicine for relief or a possible cure.Its so easy to obtain and it seems to offer so much !?

Just to let you all know,i am not on the medicine agreeing side of the topic.

Yes,i hear you saying,Christ of course ! Then a pot hole comes,a cold or flu,or a evil disease.

Where do you go to from here ? please share with me your thoughts and i am more than happy to help you
through the burning and important question,Christ or Medicine.



:)
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peter1

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Thank you all for your thoughts and comments,its really helpful to hear people understanding on this discussion.

I have noticed many of you have been alright with medicine and modern help of this time and era concerning modern well being.

What i believe on the topic is this: Doctors are prognosticators,they give a prognosis,which means to give an evil report which is believed on by the unwary
patient.The patient gives substance to the report by confessing it with his mouth.He believes in his heart and confesses with his mouth.Its savlation in REVERSE,and thats not Godly.We've got people going into hospital they dont feel to good - Doctor checks the patient and - gives bad report - 3 months
to live,he ( the patient ) gets around telling everybody, "ah,man,the doctors just given me my marching orders." "ive got 3 months marching orders " thats what they say.He believes in his heart and confesses with his mouth and Proverbs 6:2 says "you are snared by the words of your mouth " Proverbs 18:21 says, "the power of death and life are in the tounge ".

The word says, "by his stripes you are healed, " ( Isaiah 53:5 ) but what are yoiu supposed to do with your imaginations ? Your're supposed to cast them down.It says in 2 Cor 10:3-5 "casting down imaginations,bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ " Every thought ! You have thoughts of life and not death.

Instead of exalting the name of Jesus,people today will exalt the name of cancer or arthritis.Its on shop walls,on fences,on notice boards.

I believe medical and surgical miracles,so called of these lest days,even if performed by Christian organisations involved in missionary work,are examples
of the lying or great signs and wonders Jesus told us about in Matthew 21:21 " for there shall arise false Christs and false Prophets and show great signs and wonders in so much that if it were possible,they shall decieve the very elect ".Praise God it isnt possible to decieve the very elect.Some people misquote Matthew 21:21.It is not possible to decieve the very elect.If your the very elect you will not be decieved.You will see the truth from the word of God for what it is.There's only one physician in the kingdom of God.Establish that in your heart.Hes says," i am Jehovah Rapha.the Lord that healeth thee".There arent any others.He's the Lord that healeth thee.
 
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peter1

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A reading form T.L Osbourne."the purpose of Pentcost " page 69 - T.L.Osbourne is sharing somthing of his own testimony : In Africa, I attended a rowdy tribal village wedding.After the performance,i engaged in conversationwith the mother of the household and some of her guests.I asked if they knew about the bible."of course",they replyed,"do you think we're pagan ? we have our churches you know.We go to them ". I questioned them about the miracles in the gospels and asked if they had ever seen a blind man healed or a deaf man restored or a leper clensed."no",they said"no no we have never seen that "Would they like to ? "well of course " Pointing to a beautiful church across the way,i asked, " have you not seen miracles there ? "" oh never ! "that was their response."now what happens if you become sick ?"i asked."oh we have our juju.We call priest or ( witchdoctor ) of juju."We bring Kola nuts,poweded chalk and chickens.We shed the blood of fowls upon our juju gods and they bring us cures."i asked" if your child is sick and you take them to the pastor what would he do ? " will he pray for them will a miracle be wrought? ""ho ho white man you ask a foolish question.If our child is sick we never take him to the preacher.We consult our Juju".


I want you to catch the point.We've got Jujus in this country and every country.we never take them to our pastors,beliving god in faithmbut we go to the Juju man.

T.L Osbourne Quote continues : "if you would take the sick child to the church and ask for prayer what would the minister do ? " "white man,he would say a short prayer asking God to bless my Child,and to teach me somthing through the sickness and ask for his will to be done.Thats all". ( now that what happens in this country.Not much better.Ask the Lord that the child would get over its sickness and then take ti to the doctor ).

We've Got to believe in our God better than we do in doctors.
 
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Ugly

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Ah... Name it and Claim it .. now i get it. *moving on
 
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kenisyes

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Healing is for the body/mind/spirit that God created; juju is for the ideas we have created about what God created.

There are medical missionaries who have been amazed that if tribal people accept western medical treatment, they are not healed; they need the juju. Just like the juju doesn't help us; but the doctor does. I think there's a lot of juju in everyone's philosophy. I once read a book by a doctor, to the effect that medicine only makes a difference 10% of the time. Most of his job is reassurance. (Ryan's mother will have a higher percentage, since trauma surgery is the cases that benefit from intervention the most.)

Sometimes we say in our prayergroup: I'm not religious, I just try to follow Jesus.
 
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quakerzen

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Juju is "life energy" like the idea of Chinese chi. They believe it's energy in your body, not some deity they worship.


-Your friendly neighborhood religion major.
 
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mysticman27

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Aqua_Girl09 said:
Both? i mean God made us with thinking minds to be able to come up with this kind of medicine. and i REALLY don't think he wants us to not take it. But relying on him and praying is also important. God can heal anything he wants when and where. But I don't think he meant for us to ignore modern medicine.
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I agree 100%
 
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