No Such Thing As Free Will!

[RoBoT-7x153-]

No He does not, but you say that "God created sin". So you are implying that God is a god of offense. And if He is the Creator of "the actions that are taking place", then you are also implying that He causes us to sin, seeing that He is the starter of that action. At one point you say He is the cause of sin and in this post you are saying that He does not sin (correct to say), but yet, causes us to offend Him. This is not logical at all.

GOD CREATED US, WE SIN! BELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST IS THE METHOD OF SALVATION! HE PLACES BELIEF IN US THROUGHOUT OUR LIFE THROUGH THESE MANY TRIBULATIONS, AFFLICTIONS, AND PERSECUTIONS! IT'S A DAILY CROSS, LIVE WITH IT!

Acts 14: 22; Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

1 Thessalonians 3: 3; That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.

2 Timothy 3: 11-12; Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

READ HIS WORD CAREFULLY! HE WILL DELIVER HIS ELECT FAMILY! NO OTHERS WILL BE DELIVERED! IT'S A DAILY CROSS OF DEATH TO SELF AND RESURRECTING IN HIS WORD!

GOD DOES IT ALL! HE HAS ORDAINED EVERYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING TO TAKE PLACE JUST THE WAY THAT IT IS! HE DOES NOT NEED MANKINDS JUSTIFICATION!

HE ALSO ORDAINED THE MURDER OF JESUS IN THE HANDS OF EVIL MEN! READ HIS WORD!

Acts 4: 27-28; “For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done.

HIS WORD SAYS THIS! SO IF ANY ARE UPSET, IT'S NOT AT ''me'' BUT AT GOD! READ HIS WORD FOR YOURSELF!

 

[cfultz3]

GOD CREATED US, WE SIN! BELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST IS THE METHOD OF SALVATION! HE PLACES BELIEF IN US THROUGHOUT OUR LIFE THROUGH THESE MANY TRIBULATIONS, AFFLICTIONS, AND PERSECUTIONS! IT'S A DAILY CROSS, LIVE WITH IT!

Acts 14: 22; Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

1 Thessalonians 3: 3; That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.

2 Timothy 3: 11-12; Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

READ HIS WORD CAREFULLY! HE WILL DELIVER HIS ELECT FAMILY! NO OTHERS WILL BE DELIVERED! IT'S A DAILY CROSS OF DEATH TO SELF AND RESURRECTING IN HIS WORD!

GOD DOES IT ALL! HE HAS ORDAINED EVERYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING TO TAKE PLACE JUST THE WAY THAT IT IS! HE DOES NOT NEED MANKINDS JUSTIFICATION!

HE ALSO ORDAINED THE MURDER OF JESUS IN THE HANDS OF EVIL MEN! READ HIS WORD!

Acts 4: 27-28; “For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done.

HIS WORD SAYS THIS! SO IF ANY ARE UPSET, IT'S NOT AT ''me'' BUT AT GOD! READ HIS WORD FOR YOURSELF!

What you have said here is ok. But you still have to answer the questioning as to why you would say that God is the creator of sin? He does permit bad things to happen, but He does not cause offence to Him to happen, otherwise would He not be an unfair judge of sinners? Sin means 'offense (to offend)', why would God cause us to offend Him?

 

[Stephen63]

Deuteronomy 30:19 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: Joshua 24:15 15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Hmmm..... Let's see..... Old covenant couldn't save, yet we could choose. New covenant saves whosoever will, is established on better promises, confirms & fulfills the Abrahamic Covenant, but we can't choose?

 

[RoBoT-7x153-]

What you have said here is ok. But you still have to answer the questioning as to why you would say that God is the creator of sin? He does permit bad things to happen, but He does not cause offence to Him to happen, otherwise would He not be an unfair judge of sinners? Sin means 'offense (to offend)', why would God cause us to offend Him?

Lord help please! God created us, while we start out with a sin nature as a child because it's all about self then, all about ''me'' which is natural for a baby. Over the years the elect family of GOD realizes that it's no longer about self, yet it's about helping others who are in need of the TRUTH. There's a point in life where HIS elect family realizes that it's no longer about ''me'' but it's about others who want the TRUTH. The thing is, when others don't want to hear the TRUTH there's no need in wasting breath on them. Just as it says in the following verses.

Titus 3: 9-10; A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject.

Matthew 10: 14; And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

The majority doesn't have an ear to hear because they are full of themself. So then there is no need of wasting breath on those who won't listen. Only those who have an ear can hear, and unless God has given it to them they can't.

 

[Stephen63]

Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

"Whosoever will" means anyone & everyone. It's use is always the same. All of them but one are the words of Jesus. Therefore, it is accurate.

 

[Laodicea]

Joshua 24:15 KJV
(15) And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
1 Kings 18:21 KJV
(21) And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
John 6:67 KJV
(67) Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

 

[cfultz3]

Lord help please! God created us, while we start out with a sin nature as a child because it's all about self then, all about ''me'' which is natural for a baby. Over the years the elect family of GOD realizes that it's no longer about self, yet it's about helping others who are in need of the TRUTH. There's a point in life where HIS elect family realizes that it's no longer about ''me'' but it's about others who want the TRUTH. The thing is, when others don't want to hear the TRUTH there's no need in wasting breath on them. Just as it says in the following verses.

Titus 3: 9-10; A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject.

Matthew 10: 14; And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

The majority doesn't have an ear to hear because they are full of themself. So then there is no need of wasting breath on those who won't listen. Only those who have an ear can hear, and unless God has given it to them they can't.

All I can say is ok Robot. You are getting irratated and I am not getting the question answered. So, we just agree that we disagree on calling God a Creator of sin.

 

[RoBoT-7x153-]

All I can say is ok Robot. You are getting irratated and I am not getting the question answered. So, we just agree that we disagree on calling God a Creator of sin.

HE created you, and you are a sinner! All people are sinners!

 

[Laodicea]

HE created you, and you are a sinner! All people are sinners!

God created everything perfect, people chose to become sinners.

 

[cfultz3]

HE created you, and you are a sinner! All people are sinners!

He did not create me as a sinner, He created me in His image. I was born in the nature of sinful flesh inherited from our mother and father (Eve and Adam). God simply cannot be the Creator of sin, otherwise it is saying that He created beings to be an offense to Him. If we are an offense to Him by our very existence, then it has to be that He would then be an offense to His own self. God is good, not evil.

 

[RoBoT-7x153-]

He did not create me as a sinner, He created me in His image. I was born in the nature of sinful flesh inherited from our mother and father (Eve and Adam). God simply cannot be the Creator of sin, otherwise it is saying that He created beings to be an offense to Him. If we are an offense to Him by our very existence, then it has to be that He would then be an offense to His own self. God is good, not evil.

Hello! HE created people! People are sinners! People are born that way, which is why we must be born again to ever see the TRUTH, yet so many haven't died to self yet and try to live up to some kind of self righteousness. Self is an offense to self. Self has to die in order to see the TRUTH. JESUS CHRIST is not an offense, which is why we absolutely have to be born again! HE births who HE wills, and we do not birth our self! This is what JESUS CHRIST does for us! JESUS is no offense, the offense is self! The problem has always been ''me''. JESUS CHRIST is GOOD and no other is good.

 

[RoBoT-7x153-]

Hello! HE created people! People are sinners! People are born that way, which is why we must be born again to ever see the TRUTH, yet so many haven't died to self yet and try to live up to some kind of self righteousness. Self is an offense to self. Self has to die in order to see the TRUTH. JESUS CHRIST is not an offense, which is why we absolutely have to be born again! HE births who HE wills, and we do not birth our self! This is what JESUS CHRIST does for us! JESUS is no offense, the offense is self! The problem has always been ''me''. JESUS CHRIST is GOOD and no other is good.

The problem has always been ''me'', the problem has always been ''you''. The ANSWER is JESUS CHRIST!

 

[jimmydiggs]

I'd be curious to hear the OP's interpretation of Matthew 23:37:

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling."

Does the presence of a choice in and of itself tell us the nature of the will of the one doing the choosing?

... or to put it simply.

The issue at hand is not that scripture says there is no choice/will, but rather the nature of that choice/will. Hence the reason for the Libertarian uses the term, "Free Will".

 

[sanglina]

James 1: 18; Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

John 1: 13; Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 5: 21; For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

Romans 9: 15-16; For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

John 6: 39; And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6: 44; No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Ezekiel 36: 9-12; For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown: And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded: And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am the Lord. Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them of men.

Ezekiel 36: 23; And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

Daniel 4: 35; And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

John 6: 63-66; It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.​

I do admire your conviction and spirit to make such a bold statement like "No such thing as Free Will". Not that I agree with your statement per se though

 

[chesser]

I think robots mad, cause he's typing in all caps, take a deep breath, and come back here when I've grown up. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 1 Corinthians 13:11

 

[RoBoT-7x153-]

I do admire your conviction and spirit to make such a bold statement like "No such thing as Free Will". Not that I agree with your statement per se though

It's not ''my'' statement. This is what GOD's WORD says! It's not that you aren't agreeing with ''me'', it's that you aren't agreeing with what GOD says! That's what your problem is! Not agreeing with GOD is the problem! HIS WORD is the TRUTH, and there is no other TRUTH besides HIS WORD! It's much better to be full of the TRUTH, than to be full of your''self'' which is a lie! JESUS CHRIST is the ONLY way!

 

[cfultz3]

Robot,

what do you think of poplick's and laodicia's posts about freewill. They are God's words too. He said those too.

 

[clarkthompson]

I believe in freewill some. I think their is a blance in scripture between God's will and our will. The bible says God's will is for all to be saved and since the bible also says few enter in the gates of heaven, freewill fits somewhere in scripture. I also believe we have to have God in our process of every thing we do as believers. What I am saying is we have freewill to come to God but God has to lead to him. We can not come to God without God leading us. God also is not going to have an unwilling person come to Him in salvation. Saying this God can also harden hearts and move hearts to him.

 

[RoBoT-7x153-]

The problem has always been that strong delusion which is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. They are still believing a lie (2 Thessalonians 2: 11). The problem is that ''they'' believe at first that ''they'' have some type of control of what occurs in their life, while that is absolutely not true. A child doesn't birth themself into this world, and neither did the parents of the child birth themselves. All the laws of this universe where set in motion by GOD, and for a person to say that they have control are absolutely crazy. They do not control the sun shining, nor do they control the moon reflecting its light. Who holds the stars in the night sky? Do they freely control that? Or who controls the waves of the ocean? Everything is controlled by GOD! To say that they have free will is insane! Freely stop all these actions from taking place then! Only GOD can do that, whenever HE pleases to do so. The hunger that we have in our hearts for GOD's WORD was placed there by GOD, just like a baby hungers for milk after it's born. The baby didn't place that hunger upon itself, just as we didn't place this hunger for God's WORD upon ourselves. GOD placed this hunger in our heart, HE does it all. People do not have free will; GOD has free will to do whatever HE pleases to do! HE programs this information into our minds, and HE writes HIS WORD on fleshy tables of this thing we call a heart. As it's written in Hebrews 12: 2; HE is the author and finisher of our fate. Live with the TRUTH, there's no better hands for it to be in than the LORD's! The majority is still lost, and are full of them ‘’selves’’, and GOD burns that out of HIS elect whenever HE pleases through these fiery trials. Self has to die in order to see the TRUTH, and the LORD is who burns that out of whomever HE pleases, whenever HE so pleases. HE births whoever HE pleases! GOD is SOVEREIGN, and HE does not need mankind’s justification. Live with it! I’m so tired of this stinking corrupted world, and whoever has a love for this world is an enemy of God. I’m tired of all these lying false teachers who twist the WORD of GOD in order to make money. JESUS CHRIST is every day, not once a week, nor once a year. I fear that we are currently in a Babylonian system, based on ‘’let us make us a name’’ or ‘’let us make us a je$u$’’. The problem is ‘’me’’, the problem is ‘’you’’, the ANSWER is JESUS CHRIST and HE is every day. Read HIS WORD daily, and stop listening to lying false teachers who preach on free will. GOD’s will be done, and there is no other.

 

[resurrection33]

We are required to obey the Lord's commandments. Other than that we have free will.