Why Many Fail to Receive Healing

unclefester · Dec 8, 2012

Bookends said:

Amen ! And this is not directed at you Red (in a negative sense) in any way, shape or form. Just a simple and honest Amen to what Bookends has said. The missus and I have had this discussion on more than one occasion. And our final conclusion and understanding always came down to counting our blessings in regards to lifes trials/illness that the Lord has brought us through. True prosperity is measured only in relation to ones standing in God.

Abiding · Dec 8, 2012

psychomom said:

busted. you were just trying to make a page long post look like a paragraph

TheMachine · Dec 8, 2012

Does Jesus heal people with out faith? The myths of faith healing.
Some believers focus exclusively on faith as the key to healing. Yet Jesus healed many who apparently had no faith. Some were healed because their friends had faith. Others were bound up by demonic spirits and healed by exorcism, even against their wills.

The truth is that God heals. The myth is that God always heals now at the initiative of our faith.

Faith teacher Frederick K.C. Price has asserted: "The seventh method of receiving healing--[which] I believe is the highest kind of faith--is the highest way to receive healing...If you believe you receive it, you will confess that: 'Bless God, I believe I am healed. I believe I have received my healing...I believe that it is so. I believe that I can walk in divine health all the days of my life.' You are reading after one man who will never be sick, and I'm not being presumptuous."

Myth is mixed here with truth. The highest kind of faith is, "I believe in Jesus," not just, "I believe."
It is true that faith must be our initiative. But even our initiative comes through the prompting of the Holy Spirit: "No one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit" (1 Cor. 12:3). Our faith helps us receive healing, just as the lack of faith hinders healing. But healing does not depend on faith. Healing depends on the Healer.

This is another article I found....I like the use of scripture...it lets LesJudes know I'm not rude.LesJudes you and Fred KC Price sound a lot alike.....Here's a little more that I found insightful....again note the use of scripture....

Consider this biblical example. In John 5 Jesus healed one paralytic at the pool of Bethesda though a multitude thronged that place daily to be healed. Why was one man healed at that moment while others were not?

John 5:19 gives the answer when Jesus confessed, "'Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.'"

Bible scholar Jack Deere correctly observes that the initiative for the miraculous in Jesus' ministry did not begin with Him but with the Father. "He healed only the people He saw His Father healing," Deere writes. "The only firm reason for the healing of the paralytic that we can derive from the context of John 5 is that the Father willed it, and Jesus executed His Father's will ... We are ultimately faced with the conclusion that sometimes the Lord works miracles for His own sovereign purposes without giving any explanation for His actions to His followers."

Gods own soveriegn purpose..... If you put demands on God doesn't that interfere with His purpose? When Christ went through the effort of showing us how to pray was the term "Thy will be done" not used? LesJudes by throwing around your assumptions and absolutes like they are free you are usurping Gods will and authority.

Even Christ when praying asked that the cup be taken from Him. He then said that Gods will be done...... since the cup wasn't taken away doesn't that mean by YOUR understanding that Jesus Christ just didn't have enough faith to avoid is coming affliction and death???
I understand you assertions and admire the tenacity of your conviction, but if Peter could make mistakes so could I and so could you....I see it that perhaps you have seen miracles and that is amazing and that you have had healing, Glory be to God for providing them, but we answer to the Father he surely does not answer to us......Thy will, not my will!

The Machine

Some of Gods greatest gifts, are unanswered prayers.......Garth Brooks

simplyme_bekah · Dec 8, 2012

so how many people can say they have been healed by God? *holding hand up* every time I have prayed and asked for our Lords healing he has healed me. So I don't know why I am one of the ones he does this for....I honestly think its a level of faith that He brings you to. When you really whisper up that prayer asking and you really truly believe that he will....I have found out that he does.

TheMachine · Dec 8, 2012

lesjude said:

Cor:
"Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong."

If Pauls infirmity is persecution as you NEED to explain it, then why in the next verse does he seperate infirmity from persecution? They are listed as two seperate things so that YOU do not need to use your intuition to understand it.

Cor:6
"3Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed: 4But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses, 5In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings; 6By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned, 7By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, 8By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true; 9As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; 10As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things. "

Troubles,hardships and distresses....also tumults,imprisonments,labours,LONGSUFFERING, DYING,SORROWFUL

You like the KJV so I thought I would use it for you....

The STRENGTH is not the healing for any of these things....The Strength made perfect is that although the believer or Gods Chosen Child or Childeren should go through these aweful things he does so bringing Glory to the Father! Always rejoicing and possessing all things! EVEN WHEN YOU MAY HAVE NOTHING!!!!
Please explain how God through Paul is lying here? Because by YOUR explanation I am a liar and have called God a liar by having a kindergarten understanding of the english language.....

The Machine

"Yes I went to kindergarten, I know how the alphabet works.......Dr.Gru"

lesjude · Dec 8, 2012

unclefester said:

John 15:7-8

New King James Version (NKJV)

7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will[a] ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
The conditions are obvious are they not?

2 Corinthians 1:20
New King James Version (NKJV)

20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.

What is unclear about this good news?

Red33 · Dec 8, 2012

What did our Lord Jesus mean by this in (Mk 10:27-30)...

27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

...and what are we to make of this in (Lk 9:11)...

11 And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.

hopesprings · Dec 9, 2012

unclefester said:

beautiful.

Cobus · Dec 9, 2012

I am in the company of very wise men, maybe they can help woth this one....
A man of 38 comes to repentance, follow God in a church as best he can. Then miricles starts to happen through this man. This man qoutes the Bible in places he never even read! He heals sick people, lead many people to Christ, then one evenong when he prayes for another healing on a four year old boy nothing happens. And it was only a few times that he did get instant healing to some.

Why is it that Jesus healed all he did, and even Paul's cloke healed people, but not the Christians today? In fct this 38 year old man knew NOTHING of God. Not like Jesus, who is God, and not like Paul who God choe to teach the Truth, the Word of God, God's Gospel to the Gentiles. And unlike the other healers, this man was NOT baptized with the Holy Spirit.

Who did the healing in these people? I say it was Satan with the power God gave him. Look this is what God said about some miricle workers... HE NEVER KNEW THEM, so how would HE GIVE THEM A YES ON HEALING?

Mat7: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

And this.... Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. These are FALSE Christians and false prohets with great power to do signs and wonders.... but they will NOT fool the TRUTH Christians an prophets.... their spirits, will NOT stand up to the Spirit of Truth in the REAL Cildren of GOD. Impossible to mislead a TRUE DISCIPLE!

One more thing, if God gives a person the gift of healing, EVERY person that man pray for will get healed.... because...
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. This means God will NEVER be sorry or stand back to give answer to that gift HE GAVE THAT PERSON IN THE FIRST PLACE!

That person might not heal all people that is sick, because he might not even ask for some to get healed, HE WILL BE LEAD BY GOD WHO TO HEAL AND TO CALL!

psychomom · Dec 9, 2012

Red33 said:

I hope this is legible...

And since I am now well and truly confused,

please...tell me, did those men receive those things now...in this time?
A hundred times as many children??
A hundred times as many houses?
A hundred times as many wives?

I'm not really even certain this was part of the point you were making, so please forgive me if it wasn't. But it seems either we take it all literally, or admit some of this is figurative.
Right?

I am just honestly searching.
And do we think there are times when the Lord will allow time to pass before He moves on our behalf, for good?

Thanks,
ellie

Ariel82 · Dec 9, 2012

I'm not sure if you really want an answer Red, but I will for Ellie's question. (love you Pyschomom

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Red33 said:

yes lovely in context of how RICH men would not get into Heaven but how God's grace (through the blood of Christ) can redeem them for the remission of their sins.

ok we have the famous Peter with his questions that basically says what will we get for following you and leaving every thing else behind. Jesus says you left all these things but NOW in this life you will be persecuted and given refuge in many houses, you will have many people who you can call brother, sister, mother or child and you will be sent out to many lands (note it does NOT say wives) and in the world to come you will be given eternal life.

I'm not sure how this applies to the subject of "why many fail to receive healing" but that simply is what I thought those verses meant.

that some of those same people are referred to when Jesus says rebuking the cities He did His mighty works in: Matthew 11:20-24

that the Bible gives examples of people disobeying Jesus after being healed, that Jesus says that many will say Lord Lord and be told to depart from Him for He did not know them even though they prophesied, cast out demons and done many wonders in the name of His name. Matthew 7: 21-23

that people can't answer Jesus' question of which is easier: to forgive sins or to heal the body? Matthew 9: 4-8

doctors can heal the body but only God can forgive sins.

What does Jesus promise the Apostles? persecution in this life and eternal life in THE WORLD TO COME.

What kind of sufferings were Paul referring to here in Romans 8?

18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 1

zone · Dec 9, 2012

simplyme_bekah said:

hi simplyme

i raise my hand also

- i have prayed for (and others have prayed for me) and received healing that was without question at the Hand of Our Merciful Compassionate Lord.

i also have physical problems that have not been healed.

it has not affected my faith one iota. not a tiny bit. neither has it caused me to question if He is mad at me, or if i am not holy enough or good enough or working hard enough.

He saved me from God's wrath, and gave me eternal life while i was yet dead in trespasses and sins - not because of anything good in me but because He is Good.

He is Good whether He heals me or not. i love and trust Him either way.

love zone.

zone · Dec 9, 2012

TheMachine said:

Cor:
"Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong."

If Pauls infirmity is persecution as you NEED to explain it, then why in the next verse does he seperate infirmity from persecution? They are listed as two seperate things so that YOU do not need to use your intuition to understand it.

and there we have it.
ty Machine

zone · Dec 9, 2012

unclefester said:

THE GOSPEL!

~

who knew?

zone · Dec 9, 2012

Ariel82 said:

yes lovely in context of how RICH men would not get into Heaven but how God's grace (through the blood of Christ) can redeem them for the remission of their sins.

ok we have the famous Peter with his questions that basically says what will we get for following you and leaving every thing else behind. Jesus says you left all these things but NOW in this life you will be persecuted and given refuge in many houses, you will have many people who you can call brother, sister, mother or child and you will be sent out to many lands (note it does NOT say wives) and in the world to come you will be given eternal life.

I'm not sure how this applies to the subject of "why many fail to receive healing" but that simply is what I thought those verses meant.

that some of those same people are referred to when Jesus says rebuking the cities He did His mighty works in: Matthew 11:20-24

that the Bible gives examples of people disobeying Jesus after being healed, that Jesus says that many will say Lord Lord and be told to depart from Him for He did not know them even though they prophesied, cast out demons and done many wonders in the name of His name. Matthew 7: 21-23

that people can't answer Jesus' question of which is easier: to forgive sins or to heal the body? Matthew 9: 4-8

doctors can heal the body but only God can forgive sins.

What does Jesus promise the Apostles? persecution in this life and eternal life in THE WORLD TO COME.

What kind of sufferings were Paul referring to here in Romans 8?

18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 1

have i told you lately that i love you?

Red33 · Dec 9, 2012

Bookends said:

These are the things that we all look forward to in Christ when we finally put on immortality and incorruption. Buit what about now in this life? Is (Rom 8:11) relevant or do we ignore this and write it off...

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

This is a powerful statement. Does it not speak of resurrection power and did not Paul say that he wanted to know the Lord according to the power of His resurrection (Phil 3:10) and was not that resurrection a bodily one? Zone and others don't want to deal with that and some spiritualize it and they just let it slide and hope no one notices. I suppose that is living by every word of God. Every believer knows that our outward man is perishing and we are all appointed to death in this boy. That is nothing new but it does not replace or substitute for what Christ did to these bodies that we live in now. Those are the ones He had compassion and healed so that people could be made whole. All those examples I brought up, no one wants to touch them and they have settled on their lees.

What will some of you say to this in (1Cor 11:27-31)...

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep (are dead).

Is this part of God's whole counsel that you cling and adhere to or not, (especially you unclefester) and how many of you have considered this to be the reason for the many you have prayed for (maybe even for yourself) as the reason for no healing? Are we to ignore this and get upset because we don't like what the scriptures are saying?
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

With that passage some of us must be on the verge of a nervous breakdown, because you are offended by the reality of what is and what the Lord considers to be the truth among His people. Zone do you have any hugs for me for the truth of the scriptures that you say you love and live by? I wonder sometimes just how much of the word you really live by. That may be between you and God but I have the word dwelling in me and am not an undiscerning believer and I do know what is carnal from that which is spiritual.

I will add this as well...

1Jn 5:14-17

14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

zone · Dec 9, 2012

cThese are the things that we all look forward to in Christ when we finally put on immortality and incorruption. Buit what about now in this life? Is (Rom 8:11) relevant or do we ignore this and write it off...

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

This is a powerful statement. Does it not speak of resurrection power and did not Paul say that he wanted to know the Lord according to the power of His resurrection (Phil 3:10) and was not that resurrection a bodily one? Zone and others don't want to deal with that and some spiritualize it and they just let it slide and hope no one notices.[/QUOTE]

what a weird obsession you have by singling me out personally by name. it's creepy.
whatevah floats yer boat, man.

and talk about stirring up conspiracy theories and suspicions and slander....

why would i want to "let something slide by and hope no one notices"?

i'm not afraid of study.

theologians of all levels are undivided on what the exact meaning of that passage is - whether it is the quickening of moral body into immortal at the resurrection, or quickening and engergizing for service.

but it doesn't matter. it's about Christians, and that's that.

the lady in the wheelchair Still posted - has her mortal body been quickened for service?
sure looks like it to me...did you see that smile? did you read her testimony?

Red33 said:

redster, i'm sorry your feelings are hurt. i am.
but can you take it to your pastor or sumpthin'?
acting out like this is childish.

Red33 said:

eh....you're not reading what ppl wrote.
what's new?

Red33 said:

another thing you haven't learned yet - what happens when we take communion unworthily.
your private interpetation is wrong, man.
you think body in that passage refers to the church - it doesn't.

Red33 said:

if your intepretation of that passage is correct, i wouldn't receive communion for awhile if i were you - given your rants of late - you might get sick.

be sure to repent first.

that's the correct way.

Red33 said:

again...see your pastor.

Red33 said:

huh? whatu talkin' 'bout?

Red33 said:

i dunno. you broke fellowship with me, member?
have you changed your mind? is it safe to get near you?

Red33 said:

handle them properly. stand by your own convictions and stop obfuscating when you're busted.

i don't claim to live by all of them. i fail regularly. but i do surely love them.

Red33 said:

why do you spend so much time wondering about ME?
i know you think i'm carnal...and isolating...and pseudo-intellectual...and clinging to cold death orthodoxy.
i'm sorry you feel that way. i reckon it's cuz you don't know me

see, it ultimately doesn't matter what you think of me Red. k?

the things you really wonder about concerning me

would fall into the category of none of your business.

zone · Dec 9, 2012

CORRECTIONS:

RED33 SAID:
"These are the things that we all look forward to in Christ when we finally put on immortality and incorruption. Buit what about now in this life? Is (Rom 8:11) relevant or do we ignore this and write it off...

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

This is a powerful statement. Does it not speak of resurrection power and did not Paul say that he wanted to know the Lord according to the power of His resurrection (Phil 3:10) and was not that resurrection a bodily one? Zone and others don't want to deal with that and some spiritualize it and they just let it slide and hope no one notices.

ZONE:
theologians of all levels are undivided [< SHOULD BE ARE DIVIDED] on what the exact meaning of that passage is - whether it is the quickening of moral body into immortal at the resurrection, or quickening and engergizing for service....

...it doesn't matter....etc

Abiding · Dec 9, 2012

zone said: redster, i'm sorry your feelings are hurt. i am.
but can you take it to your pastor or sumpthin'?
acting out like this is childish.

abiding says: redster yes hop to it bud. But please go over and answer to your slander statement first..you will be held accountable for it. Or you can answer after you talk to your pastor if thats what you want to do.

unclefester · Dec 9, 2012

Red33 said:

Almost missed this

Might I recommend using the #7 size in the future ? Goodness sake Red. I promise not to call you a hothead ever again

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