Why Many Fail to Receive Healing

[Abiding]

These are the things that we all look forward to in Christ when we finally put on immortality and incorruption. Buit what about now in this life? Is (Rom 8:11) relevant or do we ignore this and write it off...

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

This is a powerful statement. Does it not speak of resurrection power and did not Paul say that he wanted to know the Lord according to the power of His resurrection (Phil 3:10) and was not that resurrection a bodily one? Zone and others don't want to deal with that and some spiritualize it and they just let it slide and hope no one notices. I suppose that is living by every word of God. Every believer knows that our outward man is perishing and we are all appointed to death in this boy. That is nothing new but it does not replace or substitute for what Christ did to these bodies that we live in now. Those are the ones He had compassion and healed so that people could be made whole. All those examples I brought up, no one wants to touch them and they have settled on their lees.

What will some of you say to this in (1Cor 11:27-31)...

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep (are dead).

Is this part of God's whole counsel that you cling and adhere to or not, (especially you unclefester) and how many of you have considered this to be the reason for the many you have prayed for (maybe even for yourself) as the reason for no healing? Are we to ignore this and get upset because we don't like what the scriptures are saying?
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

With that passage some of us must be on the verge of a nervous breakdown, because you are offended by the reality of what is and what the Lord considers to be the truth among His people. Zone do you have any hugs for me for the truth of the scriptures that you say you love and live by? I wonder sometimes just how much of the word you really live by. That may be between you and God but I have the word dwelling in me and am not an undiscerning believer and I do know what is carnal from that which is spiritual.

I will add this as well...

1Jn 5:14-17

14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

This is going in my files, in case i ever run a thread called," handling the word of God decietfully."

 

[unclefester]

This is going in my files, in case i ever run a thread called," handling the word of God decietfully."

Hope you've got a big hard drive. Some of them letters are pretty big

 

[Abiding]

zone says: the things you really wonder about concerning me would fall into the category of none of your business.

This is going in my zone scrapbook.

 

[Abiding]

Fes says: Almost missed this Might I recommend using the #7 size in the future ? Goodness sake Red. I promise not to call you a hothead ever again

Abiding: starts new scrapbook called Uncle Fester

 

[Red33]

Zone,

Wondering about you is one thing but hearing from you is quite another. I hope you feel better after all this but your still in the same old rut. Doesn't it become the business of all those who are exposed to your understanding of the scriptures and how it relates to the person of Christ? We are to follow hard after Christ and the heart of God and not some contrived form of doctrine that is out of joint in relationship to Christ and the church. It was true when Christ was here and is also true now being seated at the right hand of the Father, that we have access by faith to be made whole in our spirit, soul and in our body, in this life and surely we will have it in the next life to come.

If there are those that want to put aside their belief in the Great Physician and remain content in their present state, then let them. If their are those who are weak and sick in not discerning the Lord's body, then let them. However, if there are those that believe the promises and ability of the great Physician and discern the Lord's body for their spirit, soul and body, then leave them alone and let them believe and trust in the living God in all things and stop trying to sway them away from the faith that the Son of God has given to them through the scriptures. Don't use your doctrine to lead others away from what they believe God for. Even Jesus has told us this in (Mt 9:29), 'Be it unto you according to your faith'. Leave others alone and let them live their life before the living God who has given them faith to do so.

It's good to see that old party spirit picking back up again and snowballing on this site. Perhaps a few more will join you and forsake the faith they have been taught by the Spirit.

 

[Red33]

Almost missed this Might I recommend using the #7 size in the future ? Goodness sake Red. I promise not to call you a hothead ever again

It's not the term 'hothead', its the tongue.

 

[unclefester]

It's not the term 'hothead', its the tongue.

Red ... do you believe me when I say that I love you and hold you dear to my heart. Because I do bud

 

[Abiding]

It's not the term 'hothead', its the tongue.

Then learn to tame your tongue.

Dialogue with scripture, rather than long emotional rants built on
scriptural rhetoric based on your opinion. That way there can be peaceful
dialogue. And all can learn.

Keep in mind Red some are responding to someone that has said all sickness
is against Gods will. And all sickness can be healed by faith.

Once he answered me from a post and said my friends sickness was a demon.
There were many more redicilous and heretical statements too Red.
So if you stand with all that....then sorry charlie...you need to rethink.

 

[Red33]

Red ... do you believe me when I say that I love you and hold you dear to my heart. Because I do bud

Love is not the issue, it's what comes out of the mouth from that tongue that reveals what is in the heart. Jesus did not make love the issue but rather what the Father gave him to speak with His mouth. The same goes for man, living by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God (Deut 8:3, Mt 4:4, Lk 4:4). Did you hear it Unclefester?

 

[Red33]

Then learn to tame your tongue.

Dialogue with scripture, rather than long emotional rants built on
scriptural rhetoric based on your opinion. That way there can be peaceful
dialogue. And all can learn.

Keep in mind Red some are responding to someone that has said all sickness
is against Gods will. And all sickness can be healed by faith.

Once he answered me from a post and said my friends sickness was a demon.
There were many more redicilous and heretical statements too Red.
So if you stand with all that....then sorry charlie...you need to rethink.

I have done nothing but dialogue from the scriptures and no one wants to deal with those scriptures because they do not want to hear them, including you..

 

[Abiding]

I have done nothing but dialogue from the scriptures and no one wants to deal with those scriptures because they do not want to hear them, including you..

First go deal with your other problem where you told people they were slandering.
If you want me to take the time to pull up your posts and show you how you are mishandling many verses.
say so and i will.

But be prepared red. im a tad too lazy to waste my time. Also this would help you to know that its obvious
to me that some of your difficulty is that you dont always notice the persons intent in their post

example: Op guy says to me: your friends have demons just cast them out....then i respond, you read my
response and take offense to it thinking it was stepping on your toes, and saying more than was said.
Then even go thinking people are saying that God in His providence wont heal anyone. Let me know.

 

[simplyme_bekah]

Sickness is a general result of sin in the world, it does not have to be from the individual person's sin.The bible makes this abundantly clear.

Be careful so you don't commit the same wrong as the people in the bible who claimed that a man was blind because of his sin.

If sickness was only because of sin then all the "bad guys" would be ill and the "good guys" would be healthy. No, actually, if it was, we would all be ill, as we all sin.
Also, any Christian who did get ill would get well again at once because they believe it is possible.

God being able to do something does not mean he will / must do it (!). He is not, as some guy once put it, a vending machine.

I suggest you read around this forum, you will see that many of our loving, caring prayer warriors have illnesses that they have had for years, and they are all good role models for the younger members of this site for how to live their lives.

oh you go sweetheart. You remind me of a avenging angle standing for the weak and sick. You are awesome wwjdkilden

 

[unclefester]

Love is not the issue, it's what comes out of the mouth from that tongue that reveals what is in the heart. Jesus did not make love the issue but rather what the Father gave him to speak with His mouth. The same goes for man, living by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God (Deut 8:3, Mt 4:4, Lk 4:4). Did you hear it Unclefester?

Red .. Red .. Red (sigh). Forget I brought it up. I already knew you loved me. Leave it at that.

 

[Red33]

Red .. Red .. Red (sigh). Forget I brought it up. I already knew you loved me. Leave it at that.

Just consider this as a possibility. The work of God through Christ when He walked the earth included the healing of the body for many, did it not, which ended in the work of the cross? The NT believer is going to be judged according to the works done in his body (2Cor 5:10, 1Cor 3:11-17). Could part of these works done in his body involve the grace of God through faith healing the body of various infirmities so that the believer could be in good health, strengthened by grace in their weakness (2Cor 12:9), to bring the prosperity and blessing of God's great salvation (Ps 118:25, 35:27, 30:6, Rom 1:10, Ps 1:3, 122:6, 3Jn 1:2) to the lost through the preaching of the gospel of Christ and Him crucified?

If I had a poor diet and abused my body in various ways, which incapacitated me from going out in my calling and bringing the work of the gospel to others, would I not suffer the loss of rewards as a result? If I lived in depression and isolated myself because of fear and insecurity, would I also suffer loss because of the kind of work I allowed to occupy my mind and body? The body is a responder to how we live and serve in our mind, so if we live in negativity or with unbelief in our heart concerning the things of God, we will suffer in our body and those works will be burned up. On the other hand if we know to do good (in the will of God) and do it not, we will also suffer the loss of not doing the work of God and substituting a work of the flesh through a carnal mind in its place. Is that possible through what we are taught in the scriptures?

 

[Red33]

First go deal with your other problem where you told people they were slandering.
If you want me to take the time to pull up your posts and show you how you are mishandling many verses.
say so and i will.

But be prepared red. im a tad too lazy to waste my time. Also this would help you to know that its obvious
to me that some of your difficulty is that you dont always notice the persons intent in their post

example: Op guy says to me: your friends have demons just cast them out....then i respond, you read my
response and take offense to it thinking it was stepping on your toes, and saying more than was said.
Then even go thinking people are saying that God in His providence wont heal anyone. Let me know.

If you see some kind of benefit, do it.

 

[Abiding]

If you see some kind of benefit, do it.

Actually unless i find it very important i dont correct every error on these threads
not even yours and as youve noticed when you write your many wonderful posts
which ive not seen for a spell. Im blessed and put a like on it. If there was the option
Id put a giant big Green like on it.

BUT, please dont mess with people i love dearly Red...i wont allow it...not for a second.
Unless their wrong then ill join you. But not in the mode you use. Know this just because
your hiding behind a screen, doesnt mean my google/missle system doesnt have its eye on you
one more bully job on zone.....its fire for effect...ok?

 

[Red33]

Actually unless i find it very important i dont correct every error on these threads
not even yours and as youve noticed when you write your many wonderful posts
which ive not seen for a spell. Im blessed and put a like on it. If there was the option
Id put a giant big Green like on it.

BUT, please dont mess with people i love dearly Red...i wont allow it...not for a second.
Unless their wrong then ill join you. But not in the mode you use. Know this just because
your hiding behind a screen, doesnt mean my google/missle system doesnt have its eye on you
one more bully job on zone.....its fire for effect...ok?

Make sure that you hold her in the same check concerning the bully pulpit she loves to operate from. It won't be long because it's coming and when it comes it will be like a flood. Mark it down, she can't help herself and you are one of the ones that accomodate it. Check yourself on that as well.

 

[rassteve]

lack of knowlege

 

[Abiding]

Make sure that you hold her in the same check concerning the bully pulpit she loves to operate from. It won't be long because it's coming and when it comes it will be like a flood. Mark it down, she can't help herself and you are one of the ones that accomodate it. Check yourself on that as well.

Red remember 2 wrongs dont make a right...but yes ill pray i keep pure in the threads
And ill pray for you and try not to live in the past. Its hard i understand. Takes time.
To tell the truth when my friends go haywire im not slow to tell them, and do my best to help.
By the way i did see her in the past...i also remember the different dynamics and folks that
were involved. You saw from a different view. One year was the discipline. Are you ready
to pay your dues? for what youve done? Aparently from another thread...the answer is no.

 

[Bookends]

These are the things that we all look forward to in Christ when we finally put on immortality and incorruption. Buit what about now in this life? Is (Rom 8:11) relevant or do we ignore this and write it off...

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. [/quote]

Very good Red, when we become sons of God our reborn spirits/souls rejoice in gladness, effecting our whole body. Yet we are still living, our body is dead, not just diseased.. How can that be, our mortal bodies dead but yet still living? Don't forget the verse before Romans 8:11--> 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Therefore, just as Christ was raised from the dead, so it will be of the same effect of our mortal bodies because we have the Holy Spirit within us, hence we "shall also be quicken" as Christ was raised, not "will be quickened now" but upon our resurrection.

"Biblically the Holy Spirit is neither an angel nor a mere mortal; rather he is the very God who redeems us from our sins and will one day resurrect us to life eternal (Acts 5:3–4; Romans 8:11)." Is the Allah of Islam the God of the Bible? from the Christian Research Institute.

Red, there is no sense in arguing over this, nothing we say will change your stiff neck and visa versa (yes, I can be stiffed necked too) unless we all come to the consensus that we all don't have it all figured out, the full knowledge of biblical interpretation, but you claim to have it. Ever Peter claimed Paul was hard to understand 2 Peter 3:16, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

How do you explain the many faithful in Christ who have not been healed? For example Joni Eareckson Tada!!! We don't acknowledge that miracles can't happen, only that many times they don't in which many cases it has nothing to do faith, just God's will.