Origins of a Contrite Heart?

[cfultz3]

Where does a contrite heart come from, a product brought about by a person's guilty conscience or a work performed by the Spirit?

Verses for your point?

(Psa 34:18) The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.

(Psa 51:17) The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

(Isa 57:15) For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

(Isa 66:2) For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

 

[Grandpa]

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

 

[damombomb]

Proverbs3:11My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
Hebrews12:6For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and scourges every son whom he receives.

 

[Indubitably]

A contrite heart is a heart that has been broken, not my man but by the work of the Spirit within them. A contrite heart cannot exist where pride does exisit.

 

[cfultz3]

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Grandpa,

Where in Scripture do you see a contrite heart being a gift from God? Can a criminal feel remorsed of a crime and repent apart from the conviction of the Spirit? And from that answer, can a sinner repent from a sin apart from the Spirit's leading? Example: can a robber repent from robbery by his own consenses?

Proverbs3:11My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
Hebrews12:6For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and scourges every son whom he receives.

Damombomb,

These verses being spoken about to a child of God, my question is: can a human show remorse apart from God? Or are we so ungood in our nature, that we are no better than a wild beast in our moral conscience? Can we repent of a wrong apart from the leading of the Spirit?

A contrite heart is a heart that has been broken, not my man but by the work of the Spirit within them. A contrite heart cannot exist where pride does exisit.

Indubitably,

Can you show me verses where a contrite heart is solely the work of the Spirit? I understand that a child of God is lead by the Spirit, but before convertion, what causes one to come to a point in order to say, 'God I am sorry.........'?

 

[GreenNnice]

Brother, cee, welcome back, brother !

Ah, yes, the contrite heart, God esteems the one who is contrite and, oh, yes, trembles at His Word.

And, tremble at the verse above Isaiah 66:2, too, in 66:1, our God, all the power, all and all, over ALL, heaven, earth, and, yes, don't forget 'the universe,' Is too. How great Thou art .

 

[Grandpa]

Grandpa,

Where in Scripture do you see a contrite heart being a gift from God?

All things work for the good for those that Love God and are called according to His Purpose.
Even a contrite spirit.
Even a broken heart.

Can a criminal feel remorsed of a crime and repent apart from the conviction of the Spirit? And from that answer, can a sinner repent from a sin apart from the Spirit's leading? Example: can a robber repent from robbery by his own consenses?

No. Why would they?

 

[damombomb]

Zechariah4:6Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

 

[cfultz3]

All things work for the good for those that Love God and are called according to His Purpose.
Even a contrite spirit.
Even a broken heart.



No. Why would they?

I am speaking about a heart having been broken of its rebellion, not those who love God. Before convertion, who does the breaking, the person's conscience or the Spirit (verses)?

As to if a person can feel remorse apart from God, what about those people who says that they are tired of waiting in shadows to rob people and say that they will stop it and go and get a job? Has that person actually been convicted by the Spirit or could it be that he has made a conscience choice to stop what he conceives to be 'not sin', but 'not a good way to make a living'?

 

[GreenNnice]

Grandpa,

Where in Scripture do you see a contrite heart being a gift from God? Can a criminal feel remorsed of a crime and repent apart from the conviction of the Spirit? And from that answer, can a sinner repent from a sin apart from the Spirit's leading? Example: can a robber repent from robbery by his own consenses?
Hmmmm.... /B]




Damombomb,

These verses being spoken about to a child of God, my question is: can a human show remorse apart from God? Or are we so ungood in our nature, that we are no better than a wild beast in our moral conscience? Can we repent of a wrong apart from the leading of the Spirit?
The individual Christian must choose to follow the Spirit's leading, allow Him to work on our sullied heart, rebelling from Him but, still, with grace, will see His love, His leading.

The unbeliever's heart repents of a 'world' life only through the conviction of the Holy Spirit.





Indubitably,

Can you show me verses where a contrite heart is solely the work of the Spirit? I understand that a child of God is lead by the Spirit, but before convertion, what causes one to come to a point in order to say, 'God I am sorry.........'?

Hmmm.... Answer is....?

Cee, the Holy Spirit convicts the worldy one of their sins, need for Him.

 

[cfultz3]

Brother, cee, welcome back, brother !

Ah, yes, the contrite heart, God esteems the one who is contrite and, oh, yes, trembles at His Word.

And, tremble at the verse above Isaiah 66:2, too, in 66:1, our God, all the power, all and all, over ALL, heaven, earth, and, yes, don't forget 'the universe,' Is too. How great Thou art .

Thank you Greenie.

But who does the breaking of the heart? Do we come to God in sackcloth or ashes from a troubling conscience or are we led there by the Spirit?

 

[Indubitably]

The Word says that it is the Holy Spirit who convicts and draws us to Jesus and salvation: it goes to the three ministries of the Trinity:
1. The Father “Loves” all mankind.
2. The Son “Died” for all mankind.
3. The Holy Spirit “Draws” all men.


THE HOLY SPIRIT DRAWS YOU INTO FELLOWSHIP: The Spirit sends others to minister to you in love — thus you learn to accept other’s words of encouragement and to appreciate one another and their ministry to you (see: 1 John 1:3; Hebrews 12:1-2; Hebrews 10:24-25). He sends others to open your eyes to turn from darkness to light so you may receive forgiveness (see: Acts 26:18). He works to unite us in love with other believers (see Luke 22:31-32).

The Holy Spirit draws all men; giving the necessary influence to come to Christ to those who will be reject Him as well as to those who will be saved. The Holy Spirit's drawing is given to those who are actually called to faith. At the time of this drawing, the soul is re-created (regenerated). (Ps 110:3; Matt 11:25-27; 13:10, 11, 16; 16:15-17; Mk 4:10-12; Jh 6:37, 44, 45, 64, 65; Acts 11:18; 13:48; 16:14; 18:27; Rom 8:29, 30; Eph 2:1-10; Phil 1:29; 2Tim 2:25, 26).

I could write out all these Scriptures here, but I choose not be one of those that builds walls of text to justify my position. The scripture speaks for itself and is worth the reading. Hope this answers the question.

 

[cfultz3]

The unbeliever's heart repents of a 'world' life only through the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

So the Spirit convicts the sinner of his sin.

Now, who does the turning? You of your own will or the Spirit?

 

[cfultz3]

The Word says that it is the Holy Spirit who convicts and draws us to Jesus and salvation: it goes to the three ministries of the Trinity:
1. The Father “Loves” all mankind.
2. The Son “Died” for all mankind.
3. The Holy Spirit “Draws” all men.


THE HOLY SPIRIT DRAWS YOU INTO FELLOWSHIP: The Spirit sends others to minister to you in love — thus you learn to accept other’s words of encouragement and to appreciate one another and their ministry to you (see: 1 John 1:3; Hebrews 12:1-2; Hebrews 10:24-25). He sends others to open your eyes to turn from darkness to light so you may receive forgiveness (see: Acts 26:18). He works to unite us in love with other believers (see Luke 22:31-32).

The Holy Spirit draws all men; giving the necessary influence to come to Christ to those who will be reject Him as well as to those who will be saved. The Holy Spirit's drawing is given to those who are actually called to faith. At the time of this drawing, the soul is re-created (regenerated). (Ps 110:3; Matt 11:25-27; 13:10, 11, 16; 16:15-17; Mk 4:10-12; Jh 6:37, 44, 45, 64, 65; Acts 11:18; 13:48; 16:14; 18:27; Rom 8:29, 30; Eph 2:1-10; Phil 1:29; 2Tim 2:25, 26).

I could write out all these Scriptures here, but I choose not be one of those that builds walls of text to justify my position. The scripture speaks for itself and is worth the reading. Hope this answers the question.

The Spirit draws one to repentance, but who does the turning? The soul of the man or the Spirit?

 

[GreenNnice]

The Spirit draws one to repentance, but who does the turning? The soul of the man or the Spirit?

The spirit of the man is led by the Spirit , but the choice is His, which answers the question, indubitably, that was asked in own reply to me.

We make our own choices. God asks us to take 'Isaac' up the mountain, but we must go.

 

[GreenNnice]

Zechariah4:6Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

= context of whole verses....

1 Then the angel who talked with me returned and wakened me, as a man is wakened from his sleep. 2 He asked me, “What do you see?”

I answered, “I see a solid gold lampstand with a bowl at the top and seven lights on it, with seven channels to the lights. 3 Also there are two olive trees by it, one on the right of the bowl and the other on its left.”

4 I asked the angel who talked with me, “What are these, my lord?”

5 He answered, “Do you not know what these are?”

“No, my lord,” I replied.

6 So he said to me, “This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the LORD Almighty.

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1 corinthians 2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3 I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5 so that your faith might not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power.

=

The (Holy) Spirit of truth will teach you all things .

We do not know nothing of knowledge of His truth without His revealing it to us.

 

[cfultz3]

So, when our spirit (correction) is led to a contrite heart by the Spirit, then we turn our souls towards God. Ok so far? And from there, we do the repenting? In conclusion, we must repent of sin before the process of being purified into a temple? Can one not repent and still be converted?

 

[GreenNnice]

So, when our spirit (correction) is led to a contrite heart by the Spirit, then we turn our souls towards God. Ok so far? And from there, we do the repenting? In conclusion, we must repent of sin before the process of being purified into a temple? Can one not repent and still be converted?

2 Corinthians 7:10 -- For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

This godly sorrow, being sorry to God for our past sins, leads to being saved . While death cometh to thoses' sorrow not channeled to Him , for the life they (we all) sinfully lead but, still sin, after conversion, but are covered by grace ofcHis Son ding on cross, through faith, and, that not of ourselves, it is Hiscfaith He gves us to use as he goodwill pleasures for us bringin Him glory.

 

[cfultz3]

2 Corinthians 7:10 -- For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

So now I need to ask, can one be saved without repentance brought about by the Spirit's conviction? Can one just say, 'OK, I am sorry', and still continue in the rebellion they are being coached away from?

 

[Grandpa]

So, when our spirit (correction) is led to a contrite heart by the Spirit, then we turn our souls towards God. Ok so far? And from there, we do the repenting? In conclusion, we must repent of sin before the process of being purified into a temple? Can one not repent and still be converted?

Which step of the Salvation process are you trying to take credit for? The repentance, or the broken heart and contrite spirit? Or both?

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

The broken heart and contrite spirit is the reason a person cries out to the Lord and is saved. It is a gift from God. It is part of the New Heart and the New Man.