Is this lawful for Jesus?

[PatientSpirit]

Do you all not yet realize that the ONLY time satan KNEW his time was short was in the life death and resurrection of Christ?

There was no "other being" that appeared to Him in the wilderness. It was the temptation of His own flesh that He wrestled with having and KNOWING He had the power of God almighty! As such He even knew the time of His own death.

 

[Love4Truth]

Do you all not yet realize that the ONLY time satan KNEW his time was short was in the life death and resurrection of Christ?

There was no "other being" that appeared to Him in the wilderness. It was the temptation of His own flesh that He wrestled with having and KNOWING He had the power of God almighty! As such He even knew the time of His own death.

Yeah, I come to realize this a while back, it was all about His Identity, and of course we know that He was not born of the flesh, but of the Spirit. "Knowing" who He was in every temptation, is what caused the enemy to flee.

1. he tempted Him with Bread when He was hungry....He is The Bread of Life
2. he tempted Him with all the kingdoms of this world.....All the kingdoms of this world, were already His
3. he tempted Him with death, ...... it was not yet His time.

To know what has freely been given to us, and who we are in HIM, is when the enemy knows his time is short, and is about to be put under our feet.

God Bless

 

[zone]

Do you all not yet realize that the ONLY time satan KNEW his time was short was in the life death and resurrection of Christ?

There was no "other being" that appeared to Him in the wilderness. It was the temptation of His own flesh that He wrestled with having and KNOWING He had the power of God almighty! As such He even knew the time of His own death.

uh....the devil didn't tempt Christ in the Wilderness?

or is your argument the flesh is "the devil"?

i hope not....i don't even want to know.

 

[zone]

Neither is Eternal torment but that doesn't stop people from believing in it, and embracing others who believe it as well. And that would be fine, if they would also embrace those that believe in all being saved.

For we are to Love others as He has loved us, Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

But the bottom line is, more would be willing to embrace those that believe in "Eternal Torment" than those who believe "All being Saved".

That never ceases to amaze me.


God Bless

okay. let's say for the sake of argument NO eternal torment.

what's the lake of fire for? CLEANSING?

 

[PatientSpirit]

uh....the devil didn't tempt Christ in the Wilderness?

or is your argument the flesh is "the devil"?

i hope not....i don't even want to know.

Satan is not the flesh, but the carnal mind dwells there.

Honestly ask yourself. What thoughts would run through your mind given the knowledge and power of God almighty?

 

[PatientSpirit]

okay. let's say for the sake of argument NO eternal torment.

what's the lake of fire for? CLEANSING?

1 Corinthians 3:11-15

11*For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12*Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13*Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14*If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15*If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

1 Corinthians 5:4-5



4*In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

5*To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

 

[Laodicea]

Do you all not yet realize that the ONLY time satan KNEW his time was short was in the life death and resurrection of Christ?

There was no "other being" that appeared to Him in the wilderness. It was the temptation of His own flesh that He wrestled with having and KNOWING He had the power of God almighty! As such He even knew the time of His own death.

How could Christ have temptation of His own flesh when He did not sin? Sin strengthens temptation and because Christ did not sin He could not have temptation of the flesh the way you have described.

 

[Love4Truth]

How could Christ have temptation of His own flesh when He did not sin? Sin strengthens temptation and because Christ did not sin He could not have temptation of the flesh the way you have described.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.


Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

 

[zone]

1 Corinthians 3:11-15
11*For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12*Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13*Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14*If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15*If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Luke 12:5
But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!

5. Fear Him . Fear Him-how striking the repetition here! Only the one fear would effectually expel the other.

after he hath killed, &c.-Learn here-(1) To play false with one's convictions to save one's life, may fail of its end after all, for God can inflict a violent death in some other and equally formidable way. (2) There is a hell, it seems, for the body as well as the soul; consequently, sufferings adapted to the one as well as the other. (3) Fear of hell is a divinely authorized and needed motive of action even to Christ's "friends." (4) As Christ's meekness and gentleness were not compromised by such harsh notes as these, so those servants of Christ lack their Master's spirit who soften down all such language to please ears "polite." (See on [1646]Mr 9:43-48).
JFBBC

 

[zone]

Hebrews 10:31
It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[starfield]

But see, that's his point, I don't see Trinity in those scriptures at all, but that does not keep me from loving you, no matter what you believe. The point is why can't we love one another no matter what we believe, and trust The Father to change in us what needs changing?

See, you wouldn't be banned for believing what you just posted, but if I go to pulling out to many scriptures that I believe back up what I believe and see, (just like you did) I would get banned.
And those that own this site have that right, but it doesn't make it right, does it?

God Bless

Ms. Love4Truth, those passages I posted show that the Father and the Son are distinct persons of the Triune Godhead rather than three names of one person.

These show that there is only one God:
Deu 6:4- Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Isa 45:5- I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Rom 3:30- Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

These show that there are three distinct persons:
John 6:38- For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. Who is the "Him"? God the Father.
Matt 3:16-17
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
God the Son (Jesus) being baptized, God the Holy Spirit descending on Him, then God the Father confirming that Jesus is the beloved Son.
Matt 26:39- And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. Here God the Son was interceding to God the Father.
Matt 28:19- Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
1 Peter 1:2- Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

These show that they are in perfect unity in power, love, authority, judgment, co-eternal, one in all divine attributes, as they are one God:
John 10:30- I and my Father are one.
John 17:21- That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
This shows that Jesus was present at creation and that He is God rather than a mere prophet: John 1:1- In the beginning was the Word [Jesus], and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

These show plurality of the Godhead:
Gen 1:26- And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...
Isa 6:8- Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

 

[cfultz3]

I say 60 plus views so far and only 4 votes!?

And NONE of those who viewed the thread WOULD EVER VOTE NO.

A simple enough question I thought. But why do we make it complicated?

Are you a bit upset you are not getting your deserved attention. You poor thing you.

 

[zone]

Neither is the trinity. But still I will be banned long before any one of those are!

And THEY CLAIM TO BE TRINITARIANS.

Please find ONE post in which I stated or claimed to be in such a religion?
I've been doing this about 3 years now and can put on one hand those whom I've ran into that even believes all will be saved!

Where is this church of universalism? I know no such thing. But I DO know that ALL who come to Jesus will in no wise be cast out. And ALL will be drawn to Him.

Christian Universalism today can be classified into three general types – Evangelical Universalism, Charismatic Universalism, and Liberal Christian Universalism – which by themselves or in combinations with one another describe the vast majority of currently existing and identifiable versions of Christian Universalist belief and practice.

Evangelical Christianity
The type of Christian Universalism that departs the least from orthodox or traditional Christian doctrines is Evangelical (Christian) Universalism, also called Biblical or Trinitarian Universalism....

Charismatic Christianity
Some Christians with a background in the Charismatic movement or Pentecostalism have developed a version of Universalism which could be called Charismatic (Christian) Universalism....

Liberal Christianity
A variety of people who have liberal interpretations of Christianity hold Universalist beliefs and can be considered Liberal Christian Universalists. This category of Christian Universalism includes some members of mainline Protestant denominations, some people influenced by the New Age and New Thought movements, some people in the emerging church movement, some Unitarian Universalists who continue to follow Jesus as their primary spiritual teacher, and some Christians from other religious backgrounds who may or may not attend church.

Liberal Christian Universalism emphasizes the all-inclusive love of God and tends to be more open to finding truth and value in non-Christian spiritual traditions compared to the attitude of other forms of Christian Universalism, while remaining generally Christ-centered.[32] In contrast to Evangelical Universalism, Liberal Christian Universalism views the Bible as an imperfect human document containing divine revelations, is not necessarily Trinitarian, and often downplays or rejects blood atonement theology in its view of the crucifixion of Jesus.[33] Some Liberal Christian Universalists believe in mystical philosophies such as panentheism and process theology, Gnostic or New Age ideas such as the preexistence and reincarnation of the soul,[34] and New Thought ideas such as the law of attraction.[35]

The Unitarian Universalist Christian Fellowship is an organization for Liberal Christian Universalists, especially those who belong to the Unitarian Universalist Association. The Liberal Catholic Church and the Unity Church are liberal Christian denominations which teach some Universalist beliefs.[36][37][38]

Christian Universalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

 

[GreenNnice]

Why would you say 'no,' God uses us all, floats us, moves us, steers us even, and, from that seemingly odd 'body' of being, we are to be a 'pure vessel' that He can USE, for His will (certainly, not ours) and pleasure. Of course, God is,love, and, His sheep arebprotected, they have NOTHING to be afraid of except IF they do choose to not be used , not have His Spirit leadthem in their life.

 

[PatientSpirit]

Hebrews 10:31
It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

2 Samuel 24:12-14

12*Go and say unto David, Thus saith the Lord, I offer thee three things; choose thee one of them, that I may do it unto thee.

13*So Gad came to David, and told him, and said unto him, Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? or wilt thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? or that there be three days' pestilence in thy land? now advise, and see what answer I shall return to him that sent me.

14*And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let us fall now into the hand of the Lord; for his mercies are great: and let me not fall into the hand of man.



It IS truly a dreadful thing to fall into His hands. But how much MORE DREADFUL to fall into the hand of man.

What some people see as judgement is horrible.

 

[jimmydiggs]

But see, that's his point, I don't see Trinity in those scriptures at all, but that

As should be expected.

1 Corinthians 2:14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[jimmydiggs]

PatientSpirit, a fact for ya': The vast majority of humans who have lived, are living, and will live, will spend eternity in eternal torment in the lake of fire subject to the fullness of the wrath of God for their rebellion and wickedness against him.

To God be the glory!

At this moment, you're headin' to add to that number.

Maybe God will take you as a patient and knock some spirit into ya'. That would be a good thing.

Have a nice day!

 

[Kefa52]

And how iis this thread edifying or teaching?

 

[jimmydiggs]

And how iis this thread edifying or teaching?

Planting seeds.

 

[PatientSpirit]

PatientSpirit, a fact for ya': The vast majority of humans who have lived, are living, and will live, will spend eternity in eternal torment in the lake of fire subject to the fullness of the wrath of God for their rebellion and wickedness against him.

To God be the glory!

At this moment, you're headin' to add to that number.

Maybe God will take you as a patient and knock some spirit into ya'. That would be a good thing.

Have a nice day!

1 John 3:13-16

13*Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

14*We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

15*Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

16*Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.


Having obtained salvation freely, will you then withhold what was freely given to you?

You would hate your brother and commit murder?