Is fellowship possible between Calvinists and Arminians?

[zone]

We can have all the beliefs we want. Our church or denomination is only where we choose to worship God. We are all first the body of Christ.
Bickering over denominational beliefs is not edifying in any way. I am a brother to Christ, in the body of Christ. I worship at a community church.
Our local church body is just where we decide to worship in a group.

“Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.”
Hebrews 10:25

Arguing over denominational differances is just another way to keep the CHURCH devided.

hi Kefa.
this is true, in the main.
but certainly simply claiming the Name of Jesus doesn't make one a Christian.
LDS' christ (for example) is another christ.
the New Agers christ is another christ.

so, for me, there are some boundaries. i'm sure there are many who would refuse to fellowship with Lutherans i'm okay with that.

i agree with you 100% we can have all the beliefs we want.
to each their own.

doesn't mean i'd join the LDS church.

 

[loveme1]

no dear.
Yahshua or Yahavah were not revealed to you by the Holy Spirit.

your claim that they are shows you're not being honest.

those names are not in any way legitimate translations or transliterations of God in any language.
ask any genuine Hebrew speaker.

the idea that Jesus is an evil counterfeit Name was not revealed to you by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is the absolutely etymologically correct name for the Savior in English.

as for the OP generally: is it possible for believer X to fellowship with believer Y....ask yourself about your own convictions on this matter. not only in your belief concerning sacred names (your choices being completely illegitimate), but also your convictions on other matters.

You speak much and can not prove anything considering you are not me and know not what came to pass in my walk.

Your accusations are based on assumptions neither you or i could prove either way but the Truth remains the Truth and it is known.

There should be no x or y to ask such a question.

 

[Brother_Don]

i believe Christ Jesus died for all, the elect are a chosen few, then their are the multitudes wearing white robes washed in the Blood of the Lamb that no man could number. as for those that don't choose Christ Jesus, i wouldn't want to be in their shoes. i never new these words Calvinists and Arminians, before i seen this thread i may have heard the words, but never really payed attention, i'm not sure what i'm considered, but i hope we can come together, and be one, in Christ Jesus name i ask.

 

[zone]

You speak much and can not prove anything considering you are not me and know not what came to pass in my walk.

Your accusations are based on assumptions neither you or i could prove either way but the Truth remains the Truth and it is known.

There should be no x or y to ask such a question.

loveme...just ask anyone who reads and speaks Hebrew.
Yahshua is a made up name.
the Spirit did not reveal this you as the special name by which men must be saved.
naturally you're free to do as you see fit.

the truth of Yahshua and its etymology is known.
not based on assumption.
if one looked into it without going to the cults of Yahweh and other sacred name HR groups, just go to Hebrew scholars, one would see the truth.

 

[loveme1]

Until x and y dissolve there will be a divide and each should seek the Lord with His own heart and soul.

We in this day are without excuse for we have the Holy Bible so freely indeed.

Yes, much came to pass to bring us this but think not that all Praise is due to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah in all things.

We are here and now to Worship in Spirit and Truth let no man hinder that.

 

[loveme1]

loveme...just ask anyone who reads and speaks Hebrew.
Yahshua is a made up name.
the Spirit did not reveal this you as the special name by which men must be saved.
naturally you're free to do as you see fit.

the truth of Yahshua and its etymology is known.
not based on assumption.
if one looked into it without going to the cults of Yahweh and other sacred name HR groups, just go to Hebrew scholars, one would see the truth.

I have never stated such things zone please refrain from adding things to the conversation.

For i will be the first to state that Jesus was the name i called out to.

 

[loveme1]

I will continue as i'm led indeed.

 

[zone]

I have never stated such things zone please refrain from adding things to the conversation.

For i will be the first to state that Jesus was the name i called out to.

yes, you have.
but we'll leave it at this.

 

[Enow]

I am a 5-point Calvinist. I often find that most of American Evangelicals are Arminian. I have fellowshipped with some and divided the word on many issues and always managed to disagree in love. However, there are many Arminian s who are radical anti-Calvinistic many on this very site. Is it possible to coexist.

It would be possible if believers stop identifying with Calvinism & Arminian, and just be identified as a believer in Jesus Christ when talking about the contentions within Calvinism & Arminism since they can only be resolved by scripture in the KJV.

It seems that many are labling themselves with men's names in taking a position and not with Christ's name when we are called to be witnesses of the Son & His words & the words of His disciples, & apostles from which the early church was built on, and not the words of christian men on down through the centuries.

The problem with identifying oneself with a position is that pride can come in when discerning each side of the issue, and when error or something contrary has been exposed by the scripture, it stops both sides from leaning on the Lord for discernment of another truth that may be overlooked by both sides... like how God will judge His House may combine truths from both side into viewing how He will do so wherein salvation is not at stake, but the reward of attending the Marriage Supper is.

But as you have borne witness, by taking sides on the issues when they should be studying together on the issue with His help in finding the truth with why there is contention between the two, they may never come around to learn more in the knowledge of Him.

1 Corinthians 3: 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase...18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. 21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's; 22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; 23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

John 2:23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. 24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, 25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41 I receive not honour from men. 42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free....36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

 

[Red33]

Until x and y dissolve there will be a divide and each should seek the Lord with His own heart and soul.

We in this day are without excuse for we have the Holy Bible so freely indeed.

Yes, much came to pass to bring us this but think not that all Praise is due to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah in all things.

We are here and now to Worship in Spirit and Truth let no man hinder that.

For your edification, there is absolutely no doubt that God's name is YHWH ( Y A H W E H ) and it was YHWH that sent His Son, Yeshua, to be the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world. However, the name of JESUS is the name given to the Gentile world and there is no other name under heaven whereby men can be saved. When you speak to a Gentile you should use the name JESUS, for they will understand that name and the Holy Spirit will reveal to their hearts the gospel of salvation that is in that name. That is the name that every knee shall bow in heaven and in the earth. You and every Hebrew and Jewish believer in Yeshua should have reverance for the name of JESUS and if you do not, then you lack understand of the gospel that was sent to the Gentiles via and through the Jews.

 

[Crossfire]

I have never stated such things zone please refrain from adding things to the conversation.

You may want to get used to it. The vast majority of the conversations on these board are based presumptions and false accusations. Those who love to debate could care less about what you have to say or believe. They only care about making all other beliefs system outside of their own look bad and are looking for and all opportunity to do so, even if it means twisting your words and misrepresenting your personal beliefs. I wouldn't take it personal, they do it to everyone.

I call these folks "tabloid Christians" because they spend countless hours looking up dirt they can post on every belief system that doesn't fit into their own religious box. The sad part is that, often times, their own belief system has more errors and / or bad fruit than those belief systems they are attempting to "expose". That's why I put most of them on ignore.

 

[Crossfire]

I'm saying this based on personal experience and as someone who agrees mostly with Calvinism. Sometimes I wonder if Calvinists can be friendly with anyone. For some reason, an abrasive/obnoxious personality and Calvinism seem to go hand in hand, based on my own personal experience.

I am much inclined to agree. I've met very few Calvinists who weren't prideful and condemning.

 

[Kefa52]

hi Kefa.
this is true, in the main.
but certainly simply claiming the Name of Jesus doesn't make one a Christian.
LDS' christ (for example) is another christ.
the New Agers christ is another christ.

so, for me, there are some boundaries. i'm sure there are many who would refuse to fellowship with Lutherans i'm okay with that.

i agree with you 100% we can have all the beliefs we want.
to each their own.

doesn't mean i'd join the LDS church.

Sorry, I assumed that folks knew that when I say the "Body Of Christ" I mean true believers that have accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior.

 

[zone]

You may want to get used to it. The vast majority of the conversations on these board are based presumptions and false accusations. Those who love to debate could care less about what you have to say or believe. They only care about making all other beliefs system outside of their own look bad and are looking for and all opportunity to do so, even if it means twisting your words and misrepresenting your personal beliefs. I wouldn't take it personal, they do it to everyone.

here ya go Crossfire, since you stuck your nose in (as usual, looking for an opportunity):

I watched this film and do believe the catholic church to not be of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

it is part of the evil agenda indeed.

So the catholic church will play its part then step down for the beast whom they believe to be their own "saviour"

i consider satan to be building himself a temple which is the beast of his "goats" to come in flesh by.

This they believe will defeat the Almighty Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah... of course they do not succeed for we know the Truth and must adhere to that until the end.

That is why they had to infiltrate the Truth.

When they say God and Jesus they refer to their god and their saviour.

It will take much patience and much oil for us to remain Faithful until the end.

My friends when the Almighty is for you nothing will come against you.

Let no one tell you any different to what is written adhere to the word of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

It is our time to seek Him for ourselves and be instructed in Spirit and Truth.

We walk our journey like all those before us did.

We are of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

Now seek the Truth that will set you free, the Truth that shows the darkness for what it is and where it is.

We need not ignite the reformation as such for it played its part to this day.

Now seek the Almighty through Yahshua the Messiah.

The Bible is the Truth, now seek instruction from the Most High let the Holy Spirit guide and comfort you.

If you do not to this day see that the pope and his religion is not against the Truth, then you know not the Truth.

This said there is still much to come to pass before the harvest before the return of the Messiah Yahshua.

I say that our Hearts are known and i witness that it was the name of Jesus i called out to, it was after that through a dream i was lead to use these names to witness the Truth by.

All is well and i look not for a dispute with any on the matter for we each must do as led for we each play our part here.

Hold fast, Peace and Blessings be with you all in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

I call these folks "tabloid Christians" because they spend countless hours looking up dirt they can post on every belief system that doesn't fit into their own religious box. The sad part is that, often times, their own belief system has more errors and / or bad fruit than those belief systems they are attempting to "expose". That's why I put most of them on ignore.

having me on ignore or not makes no difference to me....as if you can stand back with your nose in the air and pretending you have people on ignore when you`re actually peering in waiting for your moment to skamper in with your holy-holy-holy self.

why not lets take a look at some of your dirt digging and insulting posts.

and your belief system...which youve distanced yourself from, of late...amazing for a student of church history such as yourself to make such radical shifts and pretend you didnt say what youd said so recently.

lets start with your NAR rubbish.
care to set the record straight Crossfire.
or how about minding your own business....either way is fine with me.

jezebel....should we look at that infantile period in your righteous walking in the Spirit, Crossfire.

 

[zone]

I am much inclined to agree. I've met very few Calvinists who weren't prideful and condemning.

i say we take take a look at a certain Charismatic Finneyite chameleon who is prideful and condemning.
its easy to do.
a new thread on it maybe.

 

[zone]

They only care about making all other beliefs system outside of their own look bad and are looking for and all opportunity to do so

actually, this is an excellent place to start.
now let me see.....how about "Amillennialism = Antinomianism"

could you document that from your studies of church history?
tell us how you managed from your Quaker/Holiness/Finneyism/Millennialism to translate Amillennialism as Licentiousness.

take all the time you need.

of course, since i'm on ignore, someone who have to reply to this post for you to see it.

and that someone would have to be at the very least non-Calvinist (murderers of your kind, i think was how you put it). i do believe it was more like "Amillennialists and Calvinists are murderers and Licentious Antinomians".

not to mention antisemitic, and not under any circumstances ever "walking in the Spirit" like Charismatic Five-Folders such as yourself. who if i recall, have received the Second Blessing Baptism and are now pretty-much sinless (shape-shifting on that particular heresy started not long ago, if i recall).

do you have your extensive church history library at hand yet? i have a few questions for you about your beloved Second Great Awakening (and the burned-over district).

lemme know if you want to address anything i might have gotten wrong or misrepresented.
easy enough to find out for sure.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am much inclined to agree. I've met very few Calvinists who weren't prideful and condemning.

Thats prety amazing. As a non calvanist, non arminian myself. I have seen this from both sides. In fact, in my time at this site. I would say I have had an equal number of heated discussions with both calvanists and arminians.

It is funny how we are blinded by our own perceptions

 

[crossnote]

so did Calvin

...Touché ...

 

[crossnote]

10Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

The mistake in this passage was the emphasis on the 'I' (pronounced 'eye' ). They should of said 'we' are of Christ.
But there are some going around even on this board saying 'Just Jesus and me'.

 

[Crossfire]

Thats prety amazing. As a non calvanist, non arminian myself. I have seen this from both sides. In fact, in my time at this site. I would say I have had an equal number of heated discussions with both calvanists and arminians.

It is funny how we are blinded by our own perceptions

Most Calvinists I've encountered usually pride themselves as "educated" and "intellectual". While I have encountered Arminians who are prideful in thier beliefs, most I've met consider themselves to possess a simplistic and easy to understand perspective.

As for my own beliefs, I am a Monergist however, I also believe that God's soveriegnty demands a response from man (volition) and that synergy can be defined in one word; SURRENDER. I find Arminians to be much more open and apt to embrace this perspective than Calvinists.

In fact, it appears to me that many modern Calvinists have reverted back to an apathetic, almost Antinomian perspective similar to that held by the Church of England in the mid 1600 to mid 1700s before the 1st Great Awakening.