The Fixed Earth

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Cup,

Are you saying that everything we see in the sky is merely an illusion?

No.

Are you suggesting that there are no other galaxies at all in the entire universe?

There are no other galaxies in the universe. The stars that we see are not thermonuclear suns, like our sun, they are frozen water crystals, stars are crystals that are at most only 1 light day from earth.

Would you add to this that the constellations are illusions as well?

No, the constellations are real, they are as you see them, the stars revolve around the earth, the earth is at the centre of the universe, all of space revolves around the earth.

What is the point of your assertions? Oh, and where is your evidence?

My knowledge comes from many years of observation and scientific and astronomical calculations. I was not always a Christian, I was once an atheist; but in my search for the truth, I was led to the Holy Bible, I soon realised that the Bible was 100% correct in all matters, but that one could only discover the true knowledge of scripture if God sent His spirit to testify the truth to you, that is revelation via the word.

The point of my assertions is that the Bible is correct, if that is the case the entire sceintific establishment, the entire government and educational instituations of the world and even the majority of christians and churchs are completely wrong in there understanding of the universe, this has huge repercussions, it really brings into question the very foundations of modern life

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

So first it was my computer or camera that was faking the images, now the excuse is a mirage.

Your computer and camera are designed to be able to enhance the mirage to varying degrees, this is really for aesthetics, they only make the illusion more colourful more contrasted, brighter, it is artificial enhancement,m the technology has been designed that way, many pictures can be enhanced to appear quite beautiful and interesting with vivid colours, much astrophotography is really just abstract art rather then an accurate depiction of astronomical phenomena.

If you really believed any of this you wouldn't be changing your explanation with each post.

My explaination is consistant.

Also, if it were a mirage, the stars in clusters shouldn't all be perfect little round dots,

They don't often appear as perfect round dots.

and galaxies wouldn't assume consistent structures and dust bands. Come back when you have a consistent explanation, and more importantly, a shred of evidence.

Well the images would and do assume consistant shapes.

 

[Grimaldus]

There are no other galaxies in the universe. The stars that we see are not thermonuclear suns, like our sun, they are frozen water crystals, stars are crystals that are at most only 1 light day from earth.

The truth, people, has come out. The things in the sky that all other observations say are suns thousands of light years away are actually frozen water crystals.

Please don't mind if I ask, but where exactly is this coming from? Pardon if I make a further rediculous demand, but try not saying the bible (as my point on the flat earth was you aren't even looking at it literally, as you would have others). Try giving any piece of legitimate evidence.

If you manage to do these two things (and in fact your evidence is concrete) I will believe whatever you have to say on the subject. Sound fair?

If you don't care if I believe you or not, it really makes me wonder about the legitimacy of this thread, or if you're just trollin'

 

[Slepsog4]

Cup of Rain,

I have no reason at all to simply take your word for it. Please give credible resources for your assertions. All that you have stated sounds absolutely ridiculous.

I have a good friend who is a preacher who also has a degree in astrophysics. He was a National Merit Scholar who got a full ride to a large university. He would say that much of what you have put forth is just goofy.

 

[MahogonySnail]

But, Google is always right!!

 

[eringobrea]

Okay, where are the scriptures? Bring on the scriptures.

Sorry I was just referring to the very first post, the hundreds of quotes that exist in the bible. LET'S HEAR 'EM!

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Cup of Rain,

I have no reason at all to simply take your word for it. Please give credible resources for your assertions. All that you have stated sounds absolutely ridiculous.

I have a good friend who is a preacher who also has a degree in astrophysics. He was a National Merit Scholar who got a full ride to a large university. He would say that much of what you have put forth is just goofy.

Your friend has been indoctrinated into the worldly system of Kabbahla creationism, this is a very ancient system, it is not God's system, Jesus says that His kingdom is not of this world, the Prince of this world is Satan, if you want worldy reward and recognition you must follow Satan, it is he that can give you all postitions of authority and power in this world, but Jesus says that the world hates Him and that a Christian must hate the world and everything in it because it's ways are not God's ways.

God offers a Christian three things... He offered me three things; Truth, a crucifixtion to the world and the judgement to come! Being a Christian will put you at odds with the world, you will hate the world and every day you die, you get crucified.

"Our inheritence has been turned away to aliens, our houses to strangers: we are become orphans, we have no father, our mothers are widows, we have drunk our water for money, our wood is sold to us for a burden round our necks, we have been persecuted, we have laboured, we have had no rest." Lamentations 5:2

If pretend christians want to pay God lip service that is their own decision, if they want to be initiated into the kabbahla mysteries, the cosmic egg explosion science, then that is their own choice, if you want to follow Baal then follow Baal, but if you want to follow the Most High, then follow Him, but don't be hypocritical, don't act as if worldly achievement and recognition equates to holiness and Godliness.

 

[eringobrea]

Biblical evidence! Still waiting!

 

[Slepsog4]

Cup,

You talk a lot and say nothing. You assert but give no evidence. Where is the proof?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Okay, where are the scriptures? Bring on the scriptures.

Sorry I was just referring to the very first post, the hundreds of quotes that exist in the bible. LET'S HEAR 'EM!

I have given dozens of quotes from scripture throughout the thread, you go back and read them if you want.

 

[Grimaldus]

I have given dozens of quotes from scripture throughout the thread, you go back and read them if you want.

none of which where meant to be interpreted literaly.

 

[Slepsog4]

You have provided no scripture that stars are ice crystals, or that their are not other galaxies, etc...

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Cup,

You talk a lot and say nothing. You assert but give no evidence. Where is the proof?

Greetings again Slepsog,

Giving you the proof neccessary to build an entire cosmology may take quite a long time, perhaps you would like to be more specific, is there something in particular that you would like evidence or proof of, I have covered alot of ground so don't just start shouting out 'gimme proof'! I have given concise evidence, brief, but it is sufficient, but if you want more than tell me what in particular, define your question better, if you don't mind.

 

[Grimaldus]

Greetings again Slepsog,

Giving you the proof neccessary to build an entire cosmology may take quite a long time, perhaps you would like to be more specific, is there something in particular that you would like evidence or proof of, I have covered alot of ground so don't just start shouting out 'gimme proof'! I have given concise evidence, brief, but it is sufficient, but if you want more than tell me what in particular, define your question better, if you don't mind.

As I recall you haven't given me any evidence on how the world isn't flat, like god's TRUE desciples know it is.

 

[Slepsog4]

LOL,

You have given ZIP with regard to proof. You make many assertions. How about a list of resources with credible material for the notion that the galaxies are merely illusions, etc.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

You have provided no scripture that stars are ice crystals, or that their are not other galaxies, etc...

"Praise Ye Him, sun and moon, Praise ye Him all you stars of light, Praise Him ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens Let them praise the name of the Lord, for he commanded and they were created. He hath stablished them for ever and ever." Psalms 148:3-4

 

[Grimaldus]

"Praise Ye Him, sun and moon, Praise ye Him all you stars of light, Praise Him ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens Let them praise the name of the Lord, for he commanded and they were created. He hath stablished them for ever and ever." Psalms 148:3-4

Couldn't that just be reffering to rain?

Not to mention it's a big jump from saying that and stating that the stars are in fact water crystals. Water exists on other planets too...

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

As I recall you haven't given me any evidence on how the world isn't flat, like god's TRUE desciples know it is.

Yes I have, you just havn't bothered to read through the thread to find it, what is to say that I give it to you again you will just continue to ignore it, should I have to keep on repeating myself, there is only one way that the horizon of the earth can be described with a compass and remain consistant to the human perspective, the only conclusion to the rational human mind is the earth is a sphere, this is in fact the best way to describe the earth's shape, if you wanted to communicate it, you would be best to say that the earth's surface is a circumference it is described as circular, if you know Hebrew and Greek to a sufficient level you will understand that the Bible is correctly explaining the earth as a sphere, it would not be correct to call the earth a 'ball', that is not accurate, but to say that the line of the earth surface is a description from the application of a compass, formed as a circuit, the only interpretation can be sphere.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Couldn't that just be reffering to rain?

Not to mention it's a big jump from saying that and stating that the stars are in fact water crystals. Water exists on other planets too...

No you see how God refers to the sun and moon and stars as all being different, this is always consistant in the Bible, stars are never described as other suns or being like our sun, no they are actually always given a water description and association, this verse does not say "rain" it says "stars" that have been "stablished for ever and ever" the word "ever" here actually translates as "ages", it should read in English "stablished for ages of ages." Rain is not established for ages and ages, but stars are stablished in the firmament, the "firmamnent" in which stars are stablished is very real and it moves, it revolves around the earth, this is why the North Star Polaris is stationary, the earth does not rotate on its axis, the entire universal firmamnent does, it encases us like a giant orb.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Waters above the heavens most likely refers to the ancient sky-dome flat-earth belief, that there were actually water outside of the hard sky dome firmanent that would pour down causing rain when one of the portal sky-dome windows would open. Meteorology and our understanding of how rain forms and why has come a long way since then.