G1345 Word Study

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

What I mean about glory is: like the 12 apostles will be 12 fountains upon the walls of New Jerusalem. Their glory is a part of New Jerusalem, inasmuch as the 12 tribes will each have their gate to enter New Jerusalem.

The way I am using glory here means lumination (different decrees of brightness). Because of:

1Co 15:41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

I cannot help but to think that we shall shine accordinly as the stars shines with different brightness.

And when it comes to:

Pro 4:18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

If we are walking to the shining Light, then it gets brigher as we get closer. And when we die, we then stop walking to the Light (seeing that we are then present in the Light) and have reached a 'certain' brightness.

Is the last paragraph (concluded from the verse) saying that when we are transformed into our glorified bodies on that perfect Day that we will then shine as to the brightness we had on our path?

Please do not take me wrong, I am just curious as to Rev 19:8.

It is obvious our path is unique no one has the path you have nor anyone else and in that path is the complete emanating efficay that you and i have been appointed to effuse the character and essence of Jesus through us this wil be seen in the ages futher by the classes of ministry to others and to the glory of pleasure to the Father. most have not and will not obtain to the fullest of being a prism for the Lord after coming to the light of His full presence(wood hay and stubble) so there will be a increase in growth and transparency in the eternal futher, eternity may necesitate this ever increase
of light life and love they had not obtain that is ever growing and giving to other that are in different degrees that have missed some of their path of obtaining His character essence.

 

[cfultz3]

It is obvious our path is unique no one has the path you have nor anyone else and in that path is the complete emanating efficay that you and i have been appointed to effuse the character and essence of Jesus through us this wil be seen in the ages futher by the classes of ministry to others and to the glory of pleasure to the Father. most have not and will not obtain to the fullest of being a prism for the Lord after coming to the light of His full presence(wood hay and stubble) so there will be a increase in growth and transparency in the eternal futher, eternity may necesitate this ever increase
of light life and love they had not obtain that is ever growing and giving to other that are in different degrees that have missed some of their path of obtaining His character essence.

I like the way you have worded things here and in the last reply. They are speaking to me.

So basically, we will all, eventually, obtain the same 'offshot' of the Light's prism? Meaning: one day in eternity, we shall all shine just as the Light. If we all will obtain the same prism of the Light, why does it say:

1Co 15:41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

When taking into consideration that this 'shining' is forevermore (Dan 12:3).

Will not the remaining things from the hay, wood, or stubble be our point and source of glory (lumination)? What I mean is: once we have been transformed, we are then perfected (completed) forevermore. What other works do you see in eternity which could cause one who failed to obtain his full glory while on earth to obtain a better efflugene?

I understand that the Son is the efflugene (off flash) of God's glory. This to me implies a different decree of glory, in that they both have a throne (to be understood only in the sense that the Son's glory differs only in the sense of Him having been the Christ). I also understand that Lucifer, before his fall, was the brightest angel as compared to the rest of the angels.

If you would, from Scripture, explain to me how we grow in glory in the new Kingdom?

 

[cfultz3]

It just talking about the clothe we will be wearing ! revealing we are Pure and Perfect like our LORD JESUS ! Who is our perfect example !

Do you think those clothes will be different shades of whiteness?

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

Well scripture is not always the specific refrence but as we meditate on various places of simularities and differences we have creative ideas that may or may not be lead by the Holy Spirit, But the works in the eternal ages will be to recieve more knowledge and the absorbing of the knowledge in the forms of light life and love, some same effucences like proclaiming how you overcame what sins you refused will be deterants to different people and also prepare for planets to be genesised and other adamites to populate them ultimately to prepare masses of people saints and ministers to the visitation of the Lord and Father for praise worship preparing them for the torrents of is infinite force of life light and love, the universe will not be instantly perfectly glory but a process all this will be the delight of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Not only different shades but color and also emotion knowledge life degrees of love and many other things not yet revealed to us but some other who have gone before us are learning to teach us when we arrive.

 

[cfultz3]

Well scripture is not always the specific refrence but as we meditate on various places of simularities and differences we have creative ideas that may or may not be lead by the Holy Spirit, But the works in the eternal ages will be to recieve more knowledge and the absorbing of the knowledge in the forms of light life and love, some same effucences like proclaiming how you overcame what sins you refused will be deterants to different people and also prepare for planets to be genesised and other adamites to populate them ultimately to prepare masses of people saints and ministers to the visitation of the Lord and Father for praise worship preparing them for the torrents of is infinite force of life light and love, the universe will not be instantly perfectly glory but a process all this will be the delight of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Not only different shades but color and also emotion knowledge life degrees of love and many other things not yet revealed to us but some other who have gone before us are learning to teach us when we arrive.

Oh, I see. Just as we get closer to God here and now, in the Kingdom, we will get closer to God in the same manner (approaching Him), understanding that the things to be known of God is infinite, even when we are in eternity. And as we approach the Light here on our path and it becomes brighter, then in the Kingdom, much as the foundtains imply mediatation upon the deliverance of the Gospel through the 12 Apostles by God, we learn more and more of God. And that 'approaching' is in and of itself a receiving of a 'brighter' display of the prism of the true Light.

In my many studies of words in Scripture, one of the promises that I hold dear to my heart is the promise of my Lord when He said, 'I go and prepare a place for you so that where I am you might also be' and we, who are the children of Father who is in the heavens, shall be forevermore with Him. If I am given but the smallest of planets to show forth my thankfulness and love towards God, all the more praise shall I give Him knowing He found delight in the salvation of my soul.

You are perhaps the only other person I know besides myself who speaks of the heavens being prepared for the sons of God. Indeed, it has never entered into the mind of a man what God has prepared for His sons. My soul feels warmth of a hug just thinking of an eternity with my God with nothing to distract from Him loving us and us loving Him.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

Oh, I see. Just as we get closer to God here and now, in the Kingdom, we will get closer to God in the same manner (approaching Him), understanding that the things to be known of God is infinite, even when we are in eternity. And as we approach the Light here on our path and it becomes brighter, then in the Kingdom, much as the foundtains imply mediatation upon the deliverance of the Gospel through the 12 Apostles by God, we learn more and more of God. And that 'approaching' is in and of itself a receiving of a 'brighter' display of the prism of the true Light.

In my many studies of words in Scripture, one of the promises that I hold dear to my heart is the promise of my Lord when He said, 'I go and prepare a place for you so that where I am you might also be' and we, who are the children of Father who is in the heavens, shall be forevermore with Him. If I am given but the smallest of planets to show forth my thankfulness and love towards God, all the more praise shall I give Him knowing He found delight in the salvation of my soul.

You are perhaps the only other person I know besides myself who speaks of the heavens being prepared for the sons of God. Indeed, it has never entered into the mind of a man what God has prepared for His sons. My soul feels warmth of a hug just thinking of an eternity with my God with nothing to distract from Him loving us and us loving Him.

There wil be many mansions or and rooms of the eternal depths of every experience of the Lord as a God man that we will have access to to learn and feel after Him that will be the perfect experiences we will have forever to minister to others and to grow in His likeness and glory and all for the cycle of giving these experiences to others at the perfect time and places of the three heavens and universes also the cities that you will be appointed over to prepare others to the perfections of Jesus so as to prepare them for God's visirtation of praise worship and for them to soak n His glory life and light and love when He visits them.

 

[cfultz3]

There wil be many mansions or and rooms of the eternal depths of every experience of the Lord as a God man that we will have access to to learn and feel after Him that will be the perfect experiences we will have forever to minister to others and to grow in His likeness and glory and all for the cycle of giving these experiences to others at the perfect time and places of the three heavens and universes also the cities that you will be appointed over to prepare others to the perfections of Jesus so as to prepare them for God's visitation of praise worship and for them to soak n His glory life and light and love when He visits them.

I guess a mansion does have many rooms and I also understand that you and I are what one would call 'talking out of the box', but could it be that far fetched of the imagination to believe that those rooms could be as you describe: an experience of the Lord to learn of Him? I guess we will not know until we get there, but the thought is possible and a most welcomed suggestion.

It is also one of my fancies to present to God upon His visitation to my home a beautiful garden when He comes and sup with me in fellowship as He did with Adam and Eve. I understand that the works of my hands cannot compare to the beauty of God's worsed thought of what beauty is, but from a soul so full of thankfulness, I am sure He would glee in joy. Oh, the many things I have to ask of Him, will my heart ever be full in its hunger for Him.

I know we have went off subject and I am sure we are both enjoying the brotherly talk concerning those things prepared for us and I am sure we will have much more to speak about even in eternity.

 

[Stephen63]

I found this at http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1345
I hope it helps. It lists all the scripture that has it.

 

[cfultz3]

I found this at http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1345
I hope it helps. It lists all the scripture that has it.

It does and thank you very much for taking the time to help me in my understanding. God bless you Stephen.

 

[Stephen63]

It does and thank you very much for taking the time to help me in my understanding. God bless you Stephen.

Anytime

 

[Cobus]

Cfultz3, I just LOVE God's Truth... His Word. John 17:17. It is so perfect and we have NO reason to doubt or misunderstand HIS will and Word. I Love how hard, straight and to the point God speaks. God does not babble and waste words.

God said..... BE PERFECT! Matthew 5. And if a person does not understand what perfect is, God ADDED not wasting words.... EVEN AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT! Oh a study on the word perfect in all languages will have to admit, God wants us EXACTLY as Jesus was HERE ON EARTH! Righteousness... Fruit that Zone talked about and DEEDS or ACTS.... EVEN LIFE.... All these aspects or concepts ALL whould be governed by GOD.

This is how God does it.... I an only going to copy and paste from e-sword... A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Is this Testament to OLD for you dear reader, then read this.... 2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
I see it as the NEW HEART AND SPIRIT God talks about in Ezekiel. Same event, same result, SAME GOD!

God bless these people reading this with YOUR TRUTH.... AMEN!
Lord Let Thou will be done in us as in heaven.... AMEN!

 

[Cobus]

ph_4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Beautiful

 

[Cobus]

I hope you all would think a bit on this.....
My friend, it would be an honor to share God's revelation on our righteouss works with you!
When God decided to have saints on the earth, HE decided that they would be SEPERATED from the works of the world. God decided that they would do what HE WANTS THEM TO DO! And because HE cannot do BAD only GOOD He had to put them aside for HIS GOOD WORK.

The prophets knew some Person would come and change the World-sinners to God's saints. That is why God gave Isaiah, Ezekiel and the other prophets the prophecies about God changing people from ALL nations to be HIS select. And the best verses to show HOW God change them to do the GOOD DEEDS that would be the linen for the brides dress is the ones where God said HE will give all saints a NEW heart to DO these Good Works.

As well as the verse that said we should clothe ourselves with Jesus, to be righteouss. Only righteouss people does what God wants. And they are made righteouss with the NEW HEART, the NEW SPIRIT. And here is the clothing buisiness all over again explained in wine and wine-sacks.

Wine was made and stored in wine-sacks n the days of our Bible. not in stainless tanks and wooden barrels as today. So when Jesus explained how God would change a person to do HIS will, Jesus used the parable of wine and wine-sacks.

Jesus said.... No wise man (like God) will put new wine in an old wine sack. But the New Wine (The Holy Spirit in a reformed man) will not be put in a old wine sack (the sinning body/soul) but God will put the New Wine in a NEW WINE SACK (the NEW MAN CLOTHED WITH JESUS) the new wine sack (the NEW YOU) is not the old sinning man, but revived to live righteously. Doing ONLY GOOD DEEDS.

Every righteous man is as righteous as God is righteous, 1 John 3. and that man is CHANGED to the likeness of His son.... A TRUE SAINT! Saint is Hagios.... Meaning... Spiritualy pure, and morally blameless... MOST HOLY!

I hope this helps, because it shows how sacred a saint is by God's doing. The final about clothing and vestures and linen, I would like to show you is.... Revelation 19:13.
And he (GOD) was clothed with a vesture (Holy Spirit) dipped in blood (Jesus): and his name is called: The Word of God.
When God said we should baptize people in THE NAME of the FATHER and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT... He said: BAPTIZE THEM IN THE WORD OF GOD!

This is what I am doing right now.... I baptize you in the Word of GOD!

Lord reveal all to my friend, Amen!

 

[cfultz3]

I hope you all would think a bit on this.....
My friend, it would be an honor to share God's revelation on our righteous works with you!
When God decided to have saints on the earth, HE decided that they would be SEPERATED from the works of the world. God decided that they would do what HE WANTS THEM TO DO! And because HE cannot do BAD only GOOD He had to put them aside for HIS GOOD WORK.

The prophets knew some Person would come and change the World-sinners to God's saints. That is why God gave Isaiah, Ezekiel and the other prophets the prophecies about God changing people from ALL nations to be HIS select. And the best verses to show HOW God change them to do the GOOD DEEDS that would be the linen for the brides dress is the ones where God said HE will give all saints a NEW heart to DO these Good Works.

As well as the verse that said we should clothe ourselves with Jesus, to be righteous. Only righteous people does what God wants. And they are made righteous with the NEW HEART, the NEW SPIRIT. And here is the clothing business all over again explained in wine and wine-sacks.

Wine was made and stored in wine-sacks n the days of our Bible. not in stainless tanks and wooden barrels as today. So when Jesus explained how God would change a person to do HIS will, Jesus used the parable of wine and wine-sacks.

Jesus said.... No wise man (like God) will put new wine in an old wine sack. But the New Wine (The Holy Spirit in a reformed man) will not be put in a old wine sack (the sinning body/soul) but God will put the New Wine in a NEW WINE SACK (the NEW MAN CLOTHED WITH JESUS) the new wine sack (the NEW YOU) is not the old sinning man, but revived to live righteously. Doing ONLY GOOD DEEDS.

Every righteous man is as righteous as God is righteous, 1 John 3. and that man is CHANGED to the likeness of His son.... A TRUE SAINT! Saint is Hagios.... Meaning... Spiritually pure, and morally blameless... MOST HOLY!

I hope this helps, because it shows how sacred a saint is by God's doing. The final about clothing and vestures and linen, I would like to show you is.... Revelation 19:13.
And he (GOD) was clothed with a vesture (Holy Spirit) dipped in blood (Jesus): and his name is called: The Word of God.
When God said we should baptize people in THE NAME of the FATHER and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT... He said: BAPTIZE THEM IN THE WORD OF GOD!

This is what I am doing right now.... I baptize you in the Word of GOD!

Lord reveal all to my friend, Amen!

A new heart and a new spirit has a true saint been given to do the works of the Lord and our clothing then would be Jesus (put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof (Rom 13:14)). --- A thought provoking sentiment, Cobus.

And seeing that Jesus is our righteousness, and as Zone implied: all glory goes to God for our equitable deeds (and most acutely true), then it is only through becoming more like Him that any glory is to be accredited, seeing that without Him as our righteousness, our righteousness would be nothing more than filthy rags.

Agape and I were talking about how we would shine forth the prism of the Light more and more as we get closer to God upon our faith's walk here on Earth and even in the Kingdom, and to this I would like to add for clarification that it is only when we become more and more like Jesus (doing the will of the Father and dying to one's own will), that we shine forth the glory we have in Christ, the glory of being a son of God.

 

[cfultz3]

Please, is there any more imput to help me in this study?

 

[weakness]

I am doing a word study of G1345 (equatable deed, righteousness, statue, verdict (good or bad)) and I came across Revelation 19:8 and would like input on the verse (more references, side notes, etc...)

I look forward to Scriptural input.

(Rev 19:8) And it was granted to her so that she could have dressed herself with (2Aorist Middle voice Subjunctive = granted to have performed an action upon herself which had a result) pure and radiant fine linen, seeing that the fine linen (that which will take the place of our 'flesh') is the equatable deeds (KJV: righteousness) of the saints.

(it is the equatable deeds we do in conjunction with the Spirit which shall cloth us in eternity. We shine according to our multitude of equitable deeds (they who are wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament and they who turn many to righteousness, as the stars forever and ever (Dan 12:3)))
[/QUOTE]I don't think the fine linen will take the place of of our flesh. I think a resurrected and glorified body will replace the earthly flesh and the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints. AS I said befoer in a another post that Christ in us is the hope of glory. What I get a sense of here though is that of a question of rewards and a differing color of our robes in respect to our work in conjunction with the spirit. There are scripture indicating a differences in rewards, for example " to whom much is given much is required" Or more indirectly we are accountable to the specific measure of Christ given us individually.Paul also talked of the measure of Christ given him and that he would not go beyond that measure. Also the scripture states to every one is the measure of Christ given to all the members I personally feel the accumulation of all the bodies measures of Christ in us constitute the scripture "the body ,the fullness of Christ,Another commonly use reference of reward is in Cor,about building upon the foundation of Christ,which linearly goes from gold to hay and stubble. I fell that this is misinterpreted for gold ,silver wood ,hay ,and stubble will all be burned by fire and a more truer meaning can be found in the following verse " Know ye not that ye are the temple of the Holy Ghost" If you think of Christ being the foundation and believers as being the stones that build up the walls of the temple it would suggest that wining new converts would be what we should build upon our foundation " he that wins souls is wise" But there are also suggesting that we all share the glory of one body " the last shall be first" and" the parable of the servant that toiled through the heat of the day received the same reward as him that was hired in the last hour. I don't know just some thoughts. I DID RED A VERSE TODAY IN PROV. OR eCCL THAT SAID NOT TO EAT TO MUCH HONEY AND NOT TO CONSIDER YOUR OWN GLORY TO MUCH. juST MY THOUGHTS. GOD BLESS

 

[cfultz3]

I don't think the fine linen will take the place of of our flesh. I think a resurrected and glorified body will replace the earthly flesh and the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints.

Weakness,

Thank you for your reply. Though I am saying this to you, anyone can respond.

It is not that I am too concerned about my glory which I shall receive, it is more of an acquisitive pondering on how we shall look and be in our glorified bodies. Knowing that we shall be glorified, then in my pondering, I am wondering, since it is implied that glory is displayed in decrees of brightness, if we, as sons of God, shall also have different decrees of brightness as the stars in the heavens, which brightness is said to last forever and ever.

From the verses I have posted and from my talks so far and from the understanding of the word 'righteousness' in Rev being in the plural, I am led to ask in further pondering, what effect does a saint's equatable deeds play in his or her eternity? I understand that we all shall be given white robes and that no other color is mentioned. I also understand that we shall be given different wreaths according to victories in our faith.

What I am trying to understand is whether our deeds done in conjunction with God's Spirit effect how we shine forth the Light not only here on Earth, but more specifically, in our eternity with God. If it is believed that the more evil one does, the blacker his soul becomes, then would not the opposite be applied to one doing more good (more of God's will)? I tend to believe it to be true. In the sense that as one walks away from something, it becomes smaller and what one is walking toward seems to envelope one's surroundings.

Then the next question in my pondering leads me to wonder if our gloried bodies, which shall not be flesh and blood, shall be given everlasting life, then shall we be as the angels, dare I to say, as God who knows not the boundaries of time and space and whose abode is in the heavens.........etc......

Lately this pondering has came upon me and has whelmed my soul in delights of what is to come for God's sons. It is truly a delight to ponder upon the gifts a Father has awaiting for His child and the most blessed of them all is the gift of everlasting life. It is hope which is made alive which contends the heart's longings until that which is awaited for has been manifested. And when that which has been longed for has been manifested, how blessed will the soul be who knows his Abba and Savior face to face.

Thanks for hearing me out....so far

 

[weakness]

i UNDERSTAND THANKS i GUESS MY KIND OF FALL BACK SCRIPTURE FOR MY SELF IS THAT WE SHALL KNOW EVEN AS WE ARE KNOWN. i FEEL god HAS CALLED US TO BE JOINT HEIRS WITH Christ. SORRY MY CAPS LOCK WAS ON! or it is enough for a servant to be as his master". I think we will be perfect in every way .Us in Christ ,Christ in the Father If we are adopted Children of God then by nature we are god
I don't think there is variableness with God . do take me wrong.But like Jesus , thought it not robbery to be equal with god, but took on him the form of a servant.For every thing we aspire to in god Is to be like god,and think this his eternal purpose in bringing many sons into glory A cow begets cow, a sheep begets sheep and god begets gods. And how perfect is God ?Is there degrees of infinite perfection I dint think so. Till we all come to a measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ . And just how full is Christ three quarters full no ...full 100% just my view but a stimulating discussion /I would like to here more

 

[weakness]

I'm sorry I get carried away talking about ,as you the blessing awaiting us now ,in part, but someday in completeness . I'm not sure abut our glory .I know Moses revealed some glory after being in Gods presence. I'm not sure about how our light shines forth. Sometimes Jesus is referred to as having the brightness as the sun or as a fire or burning brass. I do think our glorified bodies will be eternal. It says that it has not entered or known in the heart the things that god has prepared for us . I'm really glad you are being blessed by the Lord revealing to you the thing s that God is preparing for us. Paul says he would have us know the breadth and height and width of the thing god is preparing for us and to know the exceeding greatness of his power toward us who believe which he wrought in Christ when he raised him from the dead. You speak of hope .Pray for the substance and evidence of your hope which is faith I pray for Great boldness for you to do the work god has set before you . ....Keep on keeping on

 

[cfultz3]

i UNDERSTAND THANKS i GUESS MY KIND OF FALL BACK SCRIPTURE FOR MY SELF IS THAT WE SHALL KNOW EVEN AS WE ARE KNOWN. i FEEL god HAS CALLED US TO BE JOINT HEIRS WITH Christ. SORRY MY CAPS LOCK WAS ON! or it is enough for a servant to be as his master". I think we will be perfect in every way .Us in Christ ,Christ in the Father If we are adopted Children of God then by nature we are god
I don't think there is variableness with God . do take me wrong.But like Jesus , thought it not robbery to be equal with god, but took on him the form of a servant.For every thing we aspire to in god Is to be like god,and think this his eternal purpose in bringing many sons into glory A cow begets cow, a sheep begets sheep and god begets gods. And how perfect is God ?Is there degrees of infinite perfection I dint think so. Till we all come to a measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ . And just how full is Christ three quarters full no ...full 100% just my view but a stimulating discussion /I would like to here more

I think you have summorized it well in saying: we in Christ and Christ in the Father. Really, that would be all which matters in the end.

Thinking about, 'is there degrees of infinite perfection', I don't think there are decrees of infinite perfection, but in that same mindset, can one really know all which is to be known of God, even in eternity? I agree with Agape when he suggested that even in the Kingdom, we shall continue to learn of God. The reason I say this is because, what if a time comes when we know all which is to be known, do we then become gods? I cannot with a good conscience say that I am a god. Such a thought leans to much to Greek mythology in their description of demi-gods. But I can, and I am sure you will agree, we will be called sons of God who will be higher than the angels. But as to what that pertains to in innate powers of that sonhood can only be in the subjunctive, seeing that we are not given clean scriptual evidence of what awaits us.

The only sure thing I know of this conversation is that we shall be in the presentional form of Christ, because as He is we shall be. And I guess in the end, as long as we are with our Father and Brother, what else could one ask for?

I have an interesting question for any to answer: how many of you believe that we shall know all things upon entering God's kingdom? Do you believe that all of the faith's witnesses in Heaven know all things as God knows or will we/they continue to infinitly learn?