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The problem is not so much "if we sin" but rather, "why do we sin" after salvation. While scripture does indeed say in 1 John 1: 10 that "If we say (claim) we have not sinned, we contradict His Word and make Him out to be false and a liar, and His Word is not in us [the divine message of the Gospel is not in our hearts]." Far too often this verse in quoted outside of the original author's (John the Apostle) intended context. Let's take a look at what this chapter really has to say:
Please notice how verse 10, the verse that many quote to justify sin after salvation, seems to contradict what John says four verses earlier in verse 6: "[So] if we say we are partakers together and enjoy fellowship with Him when we live and move and are walking about in darkness, we are [both] speaking falsely and do not live and practice the Truth [which the Gospel presents]."
The key to understanding what John had said in verse 10 without contradicting what he had also stated in verse 6 can be found in verse 9: "If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].
The simple gospel truth is that God never intended for a believer to sin after salvation because He Himself has provided the means to overcome sin, the indwelling Holy Spirit. However, if / when we sin He is faithful to forgive us when we repent of those sins.
Now I realize that many my disagree with the sentiment that God never intended for us to sin after salvation. For more scriptural support of this claim, let's take a look at what the Apostle states in Galatians 5:
In this passage the Apostle Paul states simply and clearly; those who chose to abide daily, walking in close communion (fellowship) with the indwelling Holy Spirit need not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and the desires of this world. Yes, Paul does indeed mention that by nature the desires of our flesh will often times contradict the desires of the indwelling Spirit. However, Paul then goes on to say that those who truly belong to God should discipline their flesh (consecrate themselves) so that they will walk in accordance to the desires of the Spirit.
Paul is not the only Apostle to believe this way. The Apostle Peter has this to say in his 2nd epistle (letter):
In this passage the Apostle Peter states that, through grace, God Himself has provided everything necessary to live a life pleasing unto God by giving us access to His own very divine nature (which is the indwelling Holy Spirit) and through this we have been given the both the means and the strength to deny the lust of the flesh and the desires of this world.
For more scriptural support, let's take a look at a statement made by the Apostle Paul in 1st Corinthians, chapter 10:
Here Paul mentions an "escape" created by God from which we can draw strength during our moments of weakness / temptation. Paul talks about this yet again in 2 Corinthians 12:
As you can see, both Peter and Paul agree that, by grace, God has provided for us though His indwelling Holy Spirit the means to overcome the flesh in this life through consistant, daily communion with Him (consecration) thus overcoming sin is indeed possible however, we are completely and utterly reliant on Him to accomplish it. It is through consistant daily fellowship / relationship with God through His Spirit that we are indeed saved from our own selves because man, in and of his own strength, can do nothing to save himself. This is very reasoning behind the following verses written by Paul:
Now let's go back to the book of 1st John to see what the Apostle John has to say about this. In Chapter 3 John the beloved Apostle, the same John who wrote 1 John 1:10, makes of the boldest, most convicting statements in the entire Bible:
It is this passage of scripture that opened my eyes to the reality that God does never intended for us to sin after salvation. This passage so convicted and pierced my heart that I walked away from everything that I was raised to believe and I really began to read the word of God as if my life truly depended on it. It was then that God began to highlight the passages of scripture found above (and many more like them) which transformed not only the way I believed but also the way I lived my life. Am I perfect? BY NO MEANS! No one but Christ is perfect. However, I have learned that as a believer, we should never take our salvation for granted, not for a single second. Neither should anyone else.
With that being said I want to leave you with the following passage of scripture concerning God's grace and all that He has given us access to through His Spirit:
Please notice how verse 10, the verse that many quote to justify sin after salvation, seems to contradict what John says four verses earlier in verse 6: "[So] if we say we are partakers together and enjoy fellowship with Him when we live and move and are walking about in darkness, we are [both] speaking falsely and do not live and practice the Truth [which the Gospel presents]."
The key to understanding what John had said in verse 10 without contradicting what he had also stated in verse 6 can be found in verse 9: "If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].
The simple gospel truth is that God never intended for a believer to sin after salvation because He Himself has provided the means to overcome sin, the indwelling Holy Spirit. However, if / when we sin He is faithful to forgive us when we repent of those sins.
Now I realize that many my disagree with the sentiment that God never intended for us to sin after salvation. For more scriptural support of this claim, let's take a look at what the Apostle states in Galatians 5:
In this passage the Apostle Paul states simply and clearly; those who chose to abide daily, walking in close communion (fellowship) with the indwelling Holy Spirit need not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and the desires of this world. Yes, Paul does indeed mention that by nature the desires of our flesh will often times contradict the desires of the indwelling Spirit. However, Paul then goes on to say that those who truly belong to God should discipline their flesh (consecrate themselves) so that they will walk in accordance to the desires of the Spirit.
Paul is not the only Apostle to believe this way. The Apostle Peter has this to say in his 2nd epistle (letter):
In this passage the Apostle Peter states that, through grace, God Himself has provided everything necessary to live a life pleasing unto God by giving us access to His own very divine nature (which is the indwelling Holy Spirit) and through this we have been given the both the means and the strength to deny the lust of the flesh and the desires of this world.
For more scriptural support, let's take a look at a statement made by the Apostle Paul in 1st Corinthians, chapter 10:
Here Paul mentions an "escape" created by God from which we can draw strength during our moments of weakness / temptation. Paul talks about this yet again in 2 Corinthians 12:
As you can see, both Peter and Paul agree that, by grace, God has provided for us though His indwelling Holy Spirit the means to overcome the flesh in this life through consistant, daily communion with Him (consecration) thus overcoming sin is indeed possible however, we are completely and utterly reliant on Him to accomplish it. It is through consistant daily fellowship / relationship with God through His Spirit that we are indeed saved from our own selves because man, in and of his own strength, can do nothing to save himself. This is very reasoning behind the following verses written by Paul:
Now let's go back to the book of 1st John to see what the Apostle John has to say about this. In Chapter 3 John the beloved Apostle, the same John who wrote 1 John 1:10, makes of the boldest, most convicting statements in the entire Bible:
It is this passage of scripture that opened my eyes to the reality that God does never intended for us to sin after salvation. This passage so convicted and pierced my heart that I walked away from everything that I was raised to believe and I really began to read the word of God as if my life truly depended on it. It was then that God began to highlight the passages of scripture found above (and many more like them) which transformed not only the way I believed but also the way I lived my life. Am I perfect? BY NO MEANS! No one but Christ is perfect. However, I have learned that as a believer, we should never take our salvation for granted, not for a single second. Neither should anyone else.
With that being said I want to leave you with the following passage of scripture concerning God's grace and all that He has given us access to through His Spirit:
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[I had some difficulties getting my previous post to format properly (the scripoture quotes were either too far apart or too close) and the time limit would not allow me enough time to fix the scripture quotesso I decided to repost with the appropriate spaces in between.]
The problem is not so much "if we sin" but rather, "why do we sin" after salvation. While scripture does indeed say in 1 John 1: 10 that "If we say (claim) we have not sinned, we contradict His Word and make Him out to be false and a liar, and His Word is not in us [the divine message of the Gospel is not in our hearts]." Far too often this verse in quoted outside of the original author's (John the Apostle) intended context. Let's take a look at what this chapter really has to say:
Please notice how verse 10, the verse that many quote to justify sin after salvation, seems to contradict what John says four verses earlier in verse 6: "[So] if we say we are partakers together and enjoy fellowship with Him when we live and move and are walking about in darkness, we are [both] speaking falsely and do not live and practice the Truth [which the Gospel presents]."
The key to understanding what John had said in verse 10 without contradicting what he had also stated in verse 6 can be found in verse 9: "If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].
The simple gospel truth is that God never intended for a believer to sin after salvation because He Himself has provided the means to overcome sin, the indwelling Holy Spirit. However, if / when we sin He is faithful to forgive us when we repent of those sins.
Now I realize that many my disagree with the sentiment that God never intended for us to sin after salvation. For more scriptural support of this claim, let's take a look at what the Apostle states in Galatians 5:
In this passage the Apostle Paul states simply and clearly; those who chose to abide daily, walking in close communion (fellowship) with the indwelling Holy Spirit need not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and the desires of this world. Yes, Paul does indeed mention that by nature the desires of our flesh will often times contradict the desires of the indwelling Spirit. However, Paul then goes on to say that those who truly belong to God should discipline their flesh (consecrate themselves) so that they will walk in accordance to the desires of the Spirit.
Paul is not the only Apostle to believe this way. The Apostle Peter has this to say in his 2nd epistle (letter):
In this passage the Apostle Peter states that, through grace, God Himself has provided everything necessary to live a life pleasing unto God by giving us access to His own very divine nature (which is the indwelling Holy Spirit) and through this we have been given the both the means and the strength to deny the lust of the flesh and the desires of this world.
For more scriptural support, let's take a look at a statement made by the Apostle Paul in 1st Corinthians, chapter 10:
Here Paul mentions an "escape" created by God from which we can draw strength during our moments of weakness / temptation. Paul talks about this yet again in 2 Corinthians 12:
As you can see, both Peter and Paul agree that, by grace, God has provided for us though His indwelling Holy Spirit the means to overcome the flesh in this life through consistant, daily communion with Him (consecration) thus overcoming sin is indeed possible however, we are completely and utterly reliant on Him to accomplish it. It is through consistant daily fellowship / relationship with God through His Spirit that we are indeed saved from our own selves because man, in and of his own strength, can do nothing to save himself. This is very reasoning behind the following verses written by Paul:
Now let's go back to the book of 1st John to see what the Apostle John has to say about this. In Chapter 3 John the beloved Apostle, the same John who wrote 1 John 1:10, makes of the boldest, most convicting statements in the entire Bible:
It is this passage of scripture that opened my eyes to the reality that God does never intended for us to sin after salvation. This passage so convicted and pierced my heart that I walked away from everything that I was raised to believe and I really began to read the word of God as if my life truly depended on it. It was then that God began to highlight the passages of scripture found above (and many more like them) which transformed not only the way I believed but also the way I lived my life. Am I perfect? BY NO MEANS! No one but Christ is perfect. However, I have learned that as a believer, we should never take our salvation for granted, not for a single second. Neither should anyone else.
With that being said I want to leave you with the following passage of scripture concerning God's grace and all that He has given us access to through His Spirit:
The problem is not so much "if we sin" but rather, "why do we sin" after salvation. While scripture does indeed say in 1 John 1: 10 that "If we say (claim) we have not sinned, we contradict His Word and make Him out to be false and a liar, and His Word is not in us [the divine message of the Gospel is not in our hearts]." Far too often this verse in quoted outside of the original author's (John the Apostle) intended context. Let's take a look at what this chapter really has to say:
Please notice how verse 10, the verse that many quote to justify sin after salvation, seems to contradict what John says four verses earlier in verse 6: "[So] if we say we are partakers together and enjoy fellowship with Him when we live and move and are walking about in darkness, we are [both] speaking falsely and do not live and practice the Truth [which the Gospel presents]."
The key to understanding what John had said in verse 10 without contradicting what he had also stated in verse 6 can be found in verse 9: "If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].
The simple gospel truth is that God never intended for a believer to sin after salvation because He Himself has provided the means to overcome sin, the indwelling Holy Spirit. However, if / when we sin He is faithful to forgive us when we repent of those sins.
Now I realize that many my disagree with the sentiment that God never intended for us to sin after salvation. For more scriptural support of this claim, let's take a look at what the Apostle states in Galatians 5:
In this passage the Apostle Paul states simply and clearly; those who chose to abide daily, walking in close communion (fellowship) with the indwelling Holy Spirit need not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and the desires of this world. Yes, Paul does indeed mention that by nature the desires of our flesh will often times contradict the desires of the indwelling Spirit. However, Paul then goes on to say that those who truly belong to God should discipline their flesh (consecrate themselves) so that they will walk in accordance to the desires of the Spirit.
Paul is not the only Apostle to believe this way. The Apostle Peter has this to say in his 2nd epistle (letter):
In this passage the Apostle Peter states that, through grace, God Himself has provided everything necessary to live a life pleasing unto God by giving us access to His own very divine nature (which is the indwelling Holy Spirit) and through this we have been given the both the means and the strength to deny the lust of the flesh and the desires of this world.
For more scriptural support, let's take a look at a statement made by the Apostle Paul in 1st Corinthians, chapter 10:
Here Paul mentions an "escape" created by God from which we can draw strength during our moments of weakness / temptation. Paul talks about this yet again in 2 Corinthians 12:
As you can see, both Peter and Paul agree that, by grace, God has provided for us though His indwelling Holy Spirit the means to overcome the flesh in this life through consistant, daily communion with Him (consecration) thus overcoming sin is indeed possible however, we are completely and utterly reliant on Him to accomplish it. It is through consistant daily fellowship / relationship with God through His Spirit that we are indeed saved from our own selves because man, in and of his own strength, can do nothing to save himself. This is very reasoning behind the following verses written by Paul:
Now let's go back to the book of 1st John to see what the Apostle John has to say about this. In Chapter 3 John the beloved Apostle, the same John who wrote 1 John 1:10, makes of the boldest, most convicting statements in the entire Bible:
It is this passage of scripture that opened my eyes to the reality that God does never intended for us to sin after salvation. This passage so convicted and pierced my heart that I walked away from everything that I was raised to believe and I really began to read the word of God as if my life truly depended on it. It was then that God began to highlight the passages of scripture found above (and many more like them) which transformed not only the way I believed but also the way I lived my life. Am I perfect? BY NO MEANS! No one but Christ is perfect. However, I have learned that as a believer, we should never take our salvation for granted, not for a single second. Neither should anyone else.
With that being said I want to leave you with the following passage of scripture concerning God's grace and all that He has given us access to through His Spirit:
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Hokey-smokes, Bullwinkle! 
This oughta start quite a frenzy.
Stick to what people have already said.
No one but the God-Man, indeed. ♥
-ellie
This oughta start quite a frenzy.
Stick to what people have already said.
No one but the God-Man, indeed. ♥
-ellie
I already addressed 1 John 3:9 (in it's proper, intended context) in my previous post. When I have more time, we'll talk about 1 John 5:18.
John was addressing a problem in the churches wherein some believers think that when they sin, it is no longer sin when they do it. This is why John deferentiate about sinning when a person lives in sin and would not repent from it by referring to how Jesus had walked.
The message was to believers in how to have an abundant life in Christ and not just have eternal life by how we walk with God and not live in sin so that our joy may be full.
1 John 1: 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
John wasn't saying that when a believer sins, he is not born again. He was talking about how to be abiding in Him in keeping that fellowship with the Father & the Son so that by keeping His commandments, we know we are not living in sin & thus abiding in Him when we walk as He had walked which we do by faith in the Son of God in us.
1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
With any sin, we can ask Jesus to forgive us from our sins, and trust Him to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. As we walk in the light as He had walked in the light, then the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin: see 1 John 1:7 above.
This is to guard against those that would use grace to sin, thinking that God will forgive them afterwards when in reality, to be walking with Him means to lean on Him to repent from sins because sin is not to have dominion over our lives unless we let it.
1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
The secret for overcoming is here as proof we are to lean on Him to not sin.
1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
So John was talking about how believers are to be abiding in Him so that their joy may be full in living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
1 John 5:1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
And those commandments are these that John had mentioned earlier that were not grievous from which our joy may be full for abiding in Him in regards to prayer.
1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
So believers can still sin, but that doesn't mean they are not born again. It just means that they need to trust Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd to help them not to keep sinning to avoid winding up living in sin so that they may abide in Him & that their joy may be full in living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
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No one but Jesus was able to "not sin" thus no one but him was able to be sinless. But I will make some observations.
1. God is our abba father. he is not going to kick us out of his family because we sin.
2. There is no such thing as "unwillful sin" people who claim this just use it as an excuse to excuse their own sin.
3. Scripture says even the least of ALL sin is so damning, it can separate us from God, thus without Christ and his payment, no sin would ever be forgiven
4. People want to stick to the morally "bad" sins, and ignore what they do not deem as severe sins. Be careful of wolves coming in dressed as sheep.
5. Many people use grace to say it is ok to sin. Anyone who sins based on this knowledge you should doubt their salvation and speak some sense into their lives. for they are licentious. and scripture is clear about their false gospel. and false hope
6. in the same token, people will use sin as a means to say a person can;t be saved.. Again, we need to confront them, and speak some sense into their lives, for they are first off ignorant at the least of their own sin, and also basing their so called faith in a false hope of works.
The two passages you spoke of speak truth. A person born of God can not live like the world. in the same token, a person not born of God can't live as God did. The problem is. Many born of God do still struggle with some sin issues. And many who are not born of God can seem religious and not sinfull or worldly. What we have to look at then is their attitude. Are they thankfull for a loving God. or proud of their greet work of stopping sin and demanding everyone else live as they do? (ie the sinner pounding his chest and being thankful to God, or the pharisee praising God for his own good works, and his ability to stop sin)
Wilful sin against leads to death.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, nor shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins which he has committed, and keep all My statutes, and do justice and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Eze 18:22 All his transgressions that he has done, they shall not be mentioned to him; in his righteousness that he has done he shall live.
Eze 18:23 Do I actually delight in the death of the wicked? says the Lord Jehovah. Is it not that he should turn from his ways and live?
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turns from his righteousness and does injustice, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked do, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be remembered; in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them he shall die.
Eze 18:25 Yet you say, The way of Jehovah is not fair. Hear now, O house of Israel: Is not My way fair? Are your ways not unfair?
Eze 18:26 When a righteous one turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity and dies in them; for his iniquity that he has done, he shall die.
Eze 18:27 Again, when the wicked turns away from his wickedness that he has committed and does that which is lawful and righteous, he shall save his soul alive.
Eze 18:28 Because he looks carefully, and turns away from all his sins that he has committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Eze 18:29 Yet says the house of Israel: The way of Jehovah is not fair. O house of Israel, are not My ways fair? Are not your ways unfair?
Eze 18:30 So I will judge you, O house of Israel, each one of you according to his ways, says the Lord Jehovah. Turn and be made to turn from all your sins; and iniquity shall not be your stumbling-block.
Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your sins by which you have sinned; and make you a new heart and a new spirit; for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Eze 18:32 For I have no delight in the death of him who dies, says the Lord Jehovah. Therefore turn and live.
If you are still in bondage to sin, you need to repent and do your first works!
Its Not Too Late!
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not purposing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Now many will say repentance comes after the conversion, or somewhere down the road since stopping any sin is impossible, since mankind is depraved and unable.
But God is not mocked, God is still waiting patiently for His wayward creation to repent, forsake their sins, which mean they stop first, and then seek His mercy, broken as a wild horse, now useful to His master. He gave them free will and ability to choose to repent or not.
Rom 2:4 Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, and the forbearance and long-suffering, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
If your life is a mess, and you are living the lie, that tells your conscience you can sin and live of the world and still be saved, and in bondage to your flesh, giving into temptation whenever it comes knocking at your door, just remember it’s not God condoning your bad conduct, but your conscience becoming seared to the point that real repentance and faith will not be found, it will be too late, His great mercy and kindness will not last for long!
So it’s not too late for those who still have breath, and are ready to stop playing Russian roulette with the patients and mercy of God, this is not a game, this is life or death, for all eternity, repent before it’s too late and God says time is up.
Tommy 12-27-12
The Biblical Characteristics of True Repentance: (as taught by early church and Apostles) 2Cor7:10-11 “For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. For observe this very thing that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter.”
For True Repentance to have Taken Place the following MUST have Occurred:
1) Season of Deep felt Godly Sorrow for sin. (Invoked by Spirit of Truth working, Jh16:8)
2) A Crisis of Conviction that Cuts to the heart! (Sin already being forsaken!)
3) A Zeal to CLEAR oneself of all Wrong Doing against God. (make restitution if necessary)
4) Indignation and Fear that leads to Vehement Desire to STOP Sinning!
5) Vindication and Finally PURITY of heart!
Every incident of Repentance in Scripture Follows this PROCESS. (DON’T Let anyone tell you it Doesn’t, and they will MOST certainly Try!) The Sin STOPS HERE, The Old Man DIES here, The Flesh is Crucified HERE! NOT Afterwards. The Desires and Conduct are CHANGED here. (Or never will be!)
OBEDIENCE to God follows in NEWNESS of Life and All things New! (Rom6:4-6, 2Cor5:17) If you have NOT Experienced this and have NO IDEA what it means, you are NOT BORN of the SPIRIT!!!
You may indeed have ‘RECEIVED’ Christ, and ‘Believed’ on His Name (repeated some words) BUT the Devils ALSO Believe! (James2:19) If a Person is SAVED by What he DOES and NOT by Faith Alone! (as James affirms, JS 2:24) The What he DOES PART, STARTS with This REPENTANCE!
I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds! Acts26:20
Courtesy standingthegap.org
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Eeks!! There are so many conflicting posts on here!! I want to encourage you, do not become sin focused! This is like a derailment for the believer. Just become Jesus focused. He's not focusing on your sin!! This erroneous belief is what gets up mired down. If you've asked Jesus into your life, he's in your Life!(he's NOT leaving) Don't let the enemy steal this truth!!!!
Here a small word picture: a little baby is learning to walk, how many times does he fall down?? LOTS!! And loving parents scoop him up, kiss his owies, and helps him try another step. Doing this over and over until baby learns to walk. (BTW - baby will fall a couple more times throughout his life)
The bible says God IS love: is very nature is to love. HE is your loving parents scooping you up and covering you with kisses when you fall. Let his spirit woo you into truths as you journey. Dont get stuck in the much!! God is not looking for you to fall (or sin) he's looking for opportunities to cover you with kisses and walk with you.
Be blessed jpgilliespie2, and know your papa father LOVES and delights in you, simply because you are you!!!
Here a small word picture: a little baby is learning to walk, how many times does he fall down?? LOTS!! And loving parents scoop him up, kiss his owies, and helps him try another step. Doing this over and over until baby learns to walk. (BTW - baby will fall a couple more times throughout his life)
The bible says God IS love: is very nature is to love. HE is your loving parents scooping you up and covering you with kisses when you fall. Let his spirit woo you into truths as you journey. Dont get stuck in the much!! God is not looking for you to fall (or sin) he's looking for opportunities to cover you with kisses and walk with you.
Be blessed jpgilliespie2, and know your papa father LOVES and delights in you, simply because you are you!!!
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Interesting you should ask; as development is my profession.What happens to babies that don't want to walk? They risk becoming delayed. Loving parents who understand the importance of walking encourage the child to meet his milestones - and provide many good opportunites for success and support. If the child still resists, or perhaps has a cognitive or physical impairment?
Those loving parents still nurture, love, respond, and support that child where they are at in their development. It does not change the fact that he is their child; they are his parents. And they want the very best for him. They want to him to succeed, and feel successful.
They are not looking at opportunites for him to fail.
Of course, we are talking about perfect parents.
My papa Father is perfect.
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Your references does not show how believers should repent. It is no wonder why so many, including myself, see you preaching repentance by the flesh instead of by faith in the Son of God.
Explain away these verses since it shws how a believer is to run that race with Him.
Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
If sin can no longer be a part of his life then he would be perfect, but he is not.
Philippians 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
There would be no call for perfection if a believer could never sin again so there is a continual need to rely on Jesus Christ in living this reconciled relationship with God.
So this part of piper27's response is correct.
I would clarify that correct response by adding that we are to look to the author & finisher of our faith to lay aside every weight and sin to run that race.
If we focus on the sin, anxieties can build up, and we become vulnerable. It is better to not dwell on it by looking to Him to help us think on good things.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
Philippians 4:5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. 6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
His yoke is easy & His burden is light because He will do it when we trust Him to do it. This is how and why it is written that the just shall live by faith.
Explain away these verses since it shws how a believer is to run that race with Him.
Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
If sin can no longer be a part of his life then he would be perfect, but he is not.
Philippians 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
There would be no call for perfection if a believer could never sin again so there is a continual need to rely on Jesus Christ in living this reconciled relationship with God.
So this part of piper27's response is correct.
I would clarify that correct response by adding that we are to look to the author & finisher of our faith to lay aside every weight and sin to run that race.
If we focus on the sin, anxieties can build up, and we become vulnerable. It is better to not dwell on it by looking to Him to help us think on good things.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.Philippians 4:5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. 6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
His yoke is easy & His burden is light because He will do it when we trust Him to do it. This is how and why it is written that the just shall live by faith.
Rebellion against God is not falling down. Rebellion against God is self-willed defiance and God is calling all men to repent from that state. A righteous man may fall many times but if he is self-willed and defiant towards God then he is not righteous. He that does what is righteous is righteous. That is what the Bible teaches.
Adam was a son of God and he rebelled and was kicked out of paradise. God did not flower Adam with kisses and coddle him in his rebellion. If Adam wanted to be reconciled to God he had to be broken and forsake his defiant behaviour.
No-one can be in a right relationship with God and enter the kingdom whilst they walk their own way as self-willed rebels.
Adam was a son of God and he rebelled and was kicked out of paradise. God did not flower Adam with kisses and coddle him in his rebellion. If Adam wanted to be reconciled to God he had to be broken and forsake his defiant behaviour.
No-one can be in a right relationship with God and enter the kingdom whilst they walk their own way as self-willed rebels.