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Zone listen to NO MAN, listen to God! God said...Repent and be baptized with His Holy Spirit.... That is not me saying it is God in His Word.... God said that HE appointed HOLY MEN to be HIS teachers, I am not even Holy and I know God's Children does not and cannot commit ANY sin! I just believe God is Holy and so is ALL His Kingdom, Including His Children on earth!
I also know I am not the same sinner I used to be, I know God is LEADING me out of sin and INTO HIM, and IN HIM IS NO SIN.... I as a sinner KNOW THIS! Imagine what I will know once I am in GOD!
I also know I am not the same sinner I used to be, I know God is LEADING me out of sin and INTO HIM, and IN HIM IS NO SIN.... I as a sinner KNOW THIS! Imagine what I will know once I am in GOD!
Crossy.... God has to chastise a sinner to be his child. After the chastize is the REBIRTH! AFTER! Not during not before and the child that is chastised has to LEARN from that.... After Rebirth there is NOTHING to chastize.... God says this about the ones HE HAS GIVEN HIS PERFECT LOVE....
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. Keepeth the Word of God is BORN OF GOD!
Chastizing is TEACHING THE CHILD (God predestined), still a sinner at this stage, to KEEP the WORD...
Soon God willing I will once again explain the process from the Word. But now I am off to bed. I love early mornings, usually that is the time God gives me revelations..... Also a form of chastizing, and sometimes encouraging... Defenately to KEEP the WORD!
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. Keepeth the Word of God is BORN OF GOD!
Chastizing is TEACHING THE CHILD (God predestined), still a sinner at this stage, to KEEP the WORD...
Soon God willing I will once again explain the process from the Word. But now I am off to bed. I love early mornings, usually that is the time God gives me revelations..... Also a form of chastizing, and sometimes encouraging... Defenately to KEEP the WORD!
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It is not that we make ourselves sinless but it is when we die to the flesh and are made alive to the spirit through the Spirit. God does not input sin to a true saint's record and if there is no Law, then there is no sin to account for under the Son.
Seeing that the indwelling of the Spirit has taken the place of the Law for a saint as a schoolmaster, then sin comes only when there is willful disobedience to the Spirit's conviction of a matter. All who are in Christ has His seed in them and therefore cannot sin, for where is the Law to point out to them of sin?
Truly we are under grace and not the Law, and we know that there is no condemnation for those in Christ. Condemnation comes by the Law. Therefore, under grace and in Christ, we are sinless. And this all is done by the gracious act of God He performed through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
** and, IF (and when we do sin, and the Spirit convicts us of that, we have an Advocate, Who intercedes for us. IF we confess our sins, He is faithful to forgive and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness). this life involves a continual cleansing by Our High Priest. Confession of sin and His cleansing is critical to walking in the Light.
those who deny the Atonement don't understand this, so naturally don't confess any sins, since they think they don't actually have sin. i know of no greater delusion.
there is no condemnation for us in Christ Jesus.
conviction and confession, cleansing and conforming is the Spirit's Work Who is in complete unity and agreement with Father and Son (God is One) that He WILL deliver us Home. **
What is enclosed in stars is stolen from Zone to add to what I said
Seeing that the indwelling of the Spirit has taken the place of the Law for a saint as a schoolmaster, then sin comes only when there is willful disobedience to the Spirit's conviction of a matter. All who are in Christ has His seed in them and therefore cannot sin, for where is the Law to point out to them of sin?
Truly we are under grace and not the Law, and we know that there is no condemnation for those in Christ. Condemnation comes by the Law. Therefore, under grace and in Christ, we are sinless. And this all is done by the gracious act of God He performed through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
** and, IF (and when we do sin, and the Spirit convicts us of that, we have an Advocate, Who intercedes for us. IF we confess our sins, He is faithful to forgive and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness). this life involves a continual cleansing by Our High Priest. Confession of sin and His cleansing is critical to walking in the Light.
those who deny the Atonement don't understand this, so naturally don't confess any sins, since they think they don't actually have sin. i know of no greater delusion.
there is no condemnation for us in Christ Jesus.
conviction and confession, cleansing and conforming is the Spirit's Work Who is in complete unity and agreement with Father and Son (God is One) that He WILL deliver us Home. **
What is enclosed in stars is stolen from Zone to add to what I said
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Love is the fullfilment of righteousness. They are the same! But you speak of them being separate. They are
not two things blain!!! They are one! Righteousness is LOVE!!! God is love! Love worketh no ill to its neighbor
therefore love is THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW...therfore you accept LOVE/GOD when you fullfill the law! The
words that I speak to you they ARE JESUS CHRIST!!! Deny them and you deny him! Seeking righteousness is
the narrow path and the way that you follow the messiah! Think about it... what is love... the bible tells you in two ways what love is!!!
1. GOD IS LOVE
2. LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW. THIS IS LOVE THAT WE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS
These two definitions of love are the same.
TO DENY ONE DEFINITION MEANS YOU DENY THE OTHER!!!
not two things blain!!! They are one! Righteousness is LOVE!!! God is love! Love worketh no ill to its neighbor
therefore love is THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW...therfore you accept LOVE/GOD when you fullfill the law! The
words that I speak to you they ARE JESUS CHRIST!!! Deny them and you deny him! Seeking righteousness is
the narrow path and the way that you follow the messiah! Think about it... what is love... the bible tells you in two ways what love is!!!
1. GOD IS LOVE
2. LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW. THIS IS LOVE THAT WE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS
These two definitions of love are the same.
TO DENY ONE DEFINITION MEANS YOU DENY THE OTHER!!!
Scripture indicates the chastisement goes on while His children...
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened [us] after their own pleasure; but he for [our] profit, that [we] might be partakers of his holiness.
now what do you think?
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened [us] after their own pleasure; but he for [our] profit, that [we] might be partakers of his holiness.
now what do you think?
Cobus,
i'm getting really fed up with your arrogance.
who do you think you are....you're such a bad sinner Jesus can't and won't save you???
The Holy Spirit is so lame He isn't able to transform and conform you?
your sin of unbelief is what will send you to hell.
smarten up Cobus.
stop insulting God's Gift. how dare you. you want a Burger King sanctification???? RIGHT NOW, YOUR WAY??
you better get serious.
i'm getting really fed up with your arrogance.
who do you think you are....you're such a bad sinner Jesus can't and won't save you???
The Holy Spirit is so lame He isn't able to transform and conform you?
your sin of unbelief is what will send you to hell.
smarten up Cobus.
stop insulting God's Gift. how dare you. you want a Burger King sanctification???? RIGHT NOW, YOUR WAY??
you better get serious.
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whatever Cobus.
find a proper church and get over yourself.
quit clutzing through not understanding ANYTHING.
i think you're doing this deliberately.
you are INSULTING the Spirit of Grace and neglecting so great a Salvation.
you have NO FAITH AT ALL.
you're not God, you're not divine and neither have ANY MEN BEEN.
find a church, a good pastor.
find a proper church and get over yourself.
quit clutzing through not understanding ANYTHING.
i think you're doing this deliberately.
you are INSULTING the Spirit of Grace and neglecting so great a Salvation.
you have NO FAITH AT ALL.
you're not God, you're not divine and neither have ANY MEN BEEN.
find a church, a good pastor.
Crossy.... For whom the Lord loveth.... God says HE loved FIRST.... So every man God loves, will love HIM back. And what is the love a man shows to LOVE GOD? Keeping God's Word.... And that is perfection of charactor... NOT transgressin any law! Not sinning! When God loves a man, God implants HIS love in that man, and that love KEEPETH HIS COMMANDS... EVEN THIS ONE...Matthew 5:48... Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
God cannot lie, so it is true.... If God loved me first, HIS love in me will be perfected... And the end of God's SEPERATION from sin is:
1Jn_2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
As long as we sin, God's love in us is not perfected. Then God will shave and grind off all EVIL from us, When God is finished with the shaving and grinding, there is no more shaving left, we would be SAT APART FROM ALL EVIL BY GOD. We will be as clean as HE IS. Then God will give us a PROTECTIVE SPIRIT that will KEEP us clean..... HIS SPIRIT! God shaved off ALL the old man, and the clean man standing in front of God is then BAPTIZED WITH GOD'S Holy Spirit. At that moment, A NEW HEART is implanted, a NEW SPIRIT is implanted.... REBIRTH FROM GOD IS THE EVENT! The NEW CREATURE in Christ is BORN OF GOD! Behold ALL old things are past, EVERYTHING IS MADE NEW!
I am still the old me, but way less of where God started to shave me, grind off sin from me. There is NO righteousness in me, NONE! there is only LESS sin. God cannot implant His Spirit in me before I (the old me) is 100% dead. Oh I have way more patience, but not yet as much or as trained as God wants it. Oh Faith in me groeth, but it is not yet God's Faith for me.
It is people like you and Zone that strengthens my faith. I have to practize my patience with you. And thank you for being my adversaries. Even if you get tired of me, or what I believe God's Salvation really does. I believe God's salvation for ALL sinners is.... To be born of God, with God's Seed in them, and they CANNOT sin, because they are NEW CREATURES, and the sinning old has PASSED! Forever DEAD to sin and the world. (100% scriptural) Made so by GOD because HE WANTS THEM THAT WAY...
In the book of 1,2 and 3 John we see direct opposite sayings... in 1 John 1 : 8 John says if we say we sin not.... and in 1 John 5 and 1 John 3 he says that the children of God CANNOT sin. This means only one thing, either John was not born again, or we are not getting the point the man tries to make. We all know John was an APPOINTED APOSTLE OF GOD. Now does God appoint unholy appostles or perfect people?
Eph 4:11 says.... God appoint SOME as appostles....Some as.... FOR THE PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS.... Now what an hypocratical affair would it be for an APPOSTLE to perfect a saint if he is not perfect himself? Nope a SAINT (Hagios) is already holy, already spiritually PURE AS GOD, and already blameless in morality. ALREADY SINLESS, but not YET perfect. That would only happen when this SAINT is EDIFIED TO GOD HIMSELF! When God puts HIMSLEF in that SAINT and ACCEPTS THE SAINT INTO HIM!
Jesus prayed to the Father... Father make them PERFECTLY ONE AS I AM IN YOU AND YOU IN ME! And Jesus said..... I AM GLORIFIED IN THEM..... OUR GLORY IS NOT US.... IT IS JESUS!
If you think I WILL EVER SAY I DO NOT SIN, you are so BLIND! But what if JESUS lives in this flesh, would you CALL HIM A SINNER? Would you like to ASK HIM IS HE SINS? Oh you foolish generation.... Do you think a man of God has any evil in HIM? Do you think a MAN GOD PREDESTINED to CARRY the Spirit of GOD CAN SIN?
Who is the ignorant God-blaspomy person in this room? Me that says God and His Kingdom DOES NOT SIN, or you that fight for Satan and sin? Let me assure you with this closing statement....
EVERY PERSON GOD LOVED FIRST AND THAT PERSON LOVES GOD HAS THE SPIRIT OF GOD IN HIM AND THAT PERSON IS AS PERFECT AS HIS HEAVENLY FATHER!
GOD SAID SO! I will answer any question that will build and unite us to be in Truth. Questions that you want to ask to ARGUE over I will ignore, AND THE SPIRIT THAT IS MY CHURCH AND PASTOR will HELP me discern the quistions! I love you, as much as I love myself, and that love is THE LOVE OF GOD! I am here because GOD wants me here. I stand against teachings of there is no perfect perfect person on earth... That will make God a lier.... So I stand for there is people that love God as HE IS WORTHY to be loved.... They KEEP HIS WORD AND COMMANDS 100%, because God gave them HIS SPIRIT!
I long to love God as HE WANTS TO BE LOVED, and that IS WHY GOD WILL MAKE SURE HIS LOVE IN ME WILL BE MADE PERFECT! I did not choose to love you or God, HE CHOSE TO LOVE ME FIRST!
May I pray, please....
Oh ABBA Father, would YOU be the one that restores love and patience in our hearts. Father you sent Elijah to restore love, and you sent Jesus, to destroy the works of the devil. Father LET THOU WILL BE DONE in us (ONLY THOU WILL). Father unite me, Zone, Cross Pitts, EG, abiding, MOM, red,CF,pickles,crucified,and our other regulars UNITE US IN CHRSIT JESUS for YOUR GLORY ABBA!
Let the living water run from us like a spring that brings forth clean good water..... Father teach me to LOVE THEE as THOU art worthy..... Father FORGIVE ME MY SIN, For thine is the power, and the glory and the kingdom Forever and ever...AMEN!
I love ya all.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
God cannot lie, so it is true.... If God loved me first, HIS love in me will be perfected... And the end of God's SEPERATION from sin is:
1Jn_2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
As long as we sin, God's love in us is not perfected. Then God will shave and grind off all EVIL from us, When God is finished with the shaving and grinding, there is no more shaving left, we would be SAT APART FROM ALL EVIL BY GOD. We will be as clean as HE IS. Then God will give us a PROTECTIVE SPIRIT that will KEEP us clean..... HIS SPIRIT! God shaved off ALL the old man, and the clean man standing in front of God is then BAPTIZED WITH GOD'S Holy Spirit. At that moment, A NEW HEART is implanted, a NEW SPIRIT is implanted.... REBIRTH FROM GOD IS THE EVENT! The NEW CREATURE in Christ is BORN OF GOD! Behold ALL old things are past, EVERYTHING IS MADE NEW!
I am still the old me, but way less of where God started to shave me, grind off sin from me. There is NO righteousness in me, NONE! there is only LESS sin. God cannot implant His Spirit in me before I (the old me) is 100% dead. Oh I have way more patience, but not yet as much or as trained as God wants it. Oh Faith in me groeth, but it is not yet God's Faith for me.
It is people like you and Zone that strengthens my faith. I have to practize my patience with you. And thank you for being my adversaries. Even if you get tired of me, or what I believe God's Salvation really does. I believe God's salvation for ALL sinners is.... To be born of God, with God's Seed in them, and they CANNOT sin, because they are NEW CREATURES, and the sinning old has PASSED! Forever DEAD to sin and the world. (100% scriptural) Made so by GOD because HE WANTS THEM THAT WAY...
In the book of 1,2 and 3 John we see direct opposite sayings... in 1 John 1 : 8 John says if we say we sin not.... and in 1 John 5 and 1 John 3 he says that the children of God CANNOT sin. This means only one thing, either John was not born again, or we are not getting the point the man tries to make. We all know John was an APPOINTED APOSTLE OF GOD. Now does God appoint unholy appostles or perfect people?
Eph 4:11 says.... God appoint SOME as appostles....Some as.... FOR THE PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS.... Now what an hypocratical affair would it be for an APPOSTLE to perfect a saint if he is not perfect himself? Nope a SAINT (Hagios) is already holy, already spiritually PURE AS GOD, and already blameless in morality. ALREADY SINLESS, but not YET perfect. That would only happen when this SAINT is EDIFIED TO GOD HIMSELF! When God puts HIMSLEF in that SAINT and ACCEPTS THE SAINT INTO HIM!
Jesus prayed to the Father... Father make them PERFECTLY ONE AS I AM IN YOU AND YOU IN ME! And Jesus said..... I AM GLORIFIED IN THEM..... OUR GLORY IS NOT US.... IT IS JESUS!
If you think I WILL EVER SAY I DO NOT SIN, you are so BLIND! But what if JESUS lives in this flesh, would you CALL HIM A SINNER? Would you like to ASK HIM IS HE SINS? Oh you foolish generation.... Do you think a man of God has any evil in HIM? Do you think a MAN GOD PREDESTINED to CARRY the Spirit of GOD CAN SIN?
Who is the ignorant God-blaspomy person in this room? Me that says God and His Kingdom DOES NOT SIN, or you that fight for Satan and sin? Let me assure you with this closing statement....
EVERY PERSON GOD LOVED FIRST AND THAT PERSON LOVES GOD HAS THE SPIRIT OF GOD IN HIM AND THAT PERSON IS AS PERFECT AS HIS HEAVENLY FATHER!
GOD SAID SO! I will answer any question that will build and unite us to be in Truth. Questions that you want to ask to ARGUE over I will ignore, AND THE SPIRIT THAT IS MY CHURCH AND PASTOR will HELP me discern the quistions! I love you, as much as I love myself, and that love is THE LOVE OF GOD! I am here because GOD wants me here. I stand against teachings of there is no perfect perfect person on earth... That will make God a lier.... So I stand for there is people that love God as HE IS WORTHY to be loved.... They KEEP HIS WORD AND COMMANDS 100%, because God gave them HIS SPIRIT!
I long to love God as HE WANTS TO BE LOVED, and that IS WHY GOD WILL MAKE SURE HIS LOVE IN ME WILL BE MADE PERFECT! I did not choose to love you or God, HE CHOSE TO LOVE ME FIRST!
May I pray, please....
Oh ABBA Father, would YOU be the one that restores love and patience in our hearts. Father you sent Elijah to restore love, and you sent Jesus, to destroy the works of the devil. Father LET THOU WILL BE DONE in us (ONLY THOU WILL). Father unite me, Zone, Cross Pitts, EG, abiding, MOM, red,CF,pickles,crucified,and our other regulars UNITE US IN CHRSIT JESUS for YOUR GLORY ABBA!
Let the living water run from us like a spring that brings forth clean good water..... Father teach me to LOVE THEE as THOU art worthy..... Father FORGIVE ME MY SIN, For thine is the power, and the glory and the kingdom Forever and ever...AMEN!
I love ya all.
P
I ASK YOU ALL THIS.
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO SERVE A GOD THAT CAN NOT DELIEVER YOU FROM YOUR PROBLEMS(sins) IN THIS LIFE?
Sin is what causes you all your pain!!!
Cobus speaks of the GOD THAT HAS ALL POWER...THE ONE THAT DELIIEVERS YOU FROM SIN AND DELIEVERS YOU FROM YOUR PAIN!!!
God wants to and is able to deliever you now.
Will you accept his deliverence now...or continue to preach a gospel with no power to deliever you from sins!
We speak about a GOD with real power!!!
WERE IS YOUR GODS POWER IF HE CAN'T DELIEVER YOU FROM SINS TODAY!!!
TEST OUR GOD...I do not say tempt...see if he is THE REAL GOD!
A person truley can choose not to wrong his neighbor or break the ten commandments!!!
Tell me why can't you choose to stop sinning with all your heart...your anwser to this will be the sin that is separating you from GOD!
Be Blessed and Be Free!
But remember its your choose to be blessed and your choose to be free!!!
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO SERVE A GOD THAT CAN NOT DELIEVER YOU FROM YOUR PROBLEMS(sins) IN THIS LIFE?
Sin is what causes you all your pain!!!
Cobus speaks of the GOD THAT HAS ALL POWER...THE ONE THAT DELIIEVERS YOU FROM SIN AND DELIEVERS YOU FROM YOUR PAIN!!!
God wants to and is able to deliever you now.
Will you accept his deliverence now...or continue to preach a gospel with no power to deliever you from sins!
We speak about a GOD with real power!!!
WERE IS YOUR GODS POWER IF HE CAN'T DELIEVER YOU FROM SINS TODAY!!!
TEST OUR GOD...I do not say tempt...see if he is THE REAL GOD!
A person truley can choose not to wrong his neighbor or break the ten commandments!!!
Tell me why can't you choose to stop sinning with all your heart...your anwser to this will be the sin that is separating you from GOD!
Be Blessed and Be Free!
But remember its your choose to be blessed and your choose to be free!!!
G
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You can seperate yourself from sin, the moment you admit that He is Lord in your life , that's when THE BLOOD covers you.
The Spirit then TAKES over, through faith, His given you, by grace, and, to go any other way than His way for you will be showing you do NOT love Him, and, consequently, go read Scripture yourself, you do NOT know Him.
Now, love God, love others, do not gong, gong, GONG, for in so doing you do not reach others and IF you are doing so this action to others who follow and believe the same Christ as you, the same Spirit believed, the same Jesus crucified with, well, then, well, well, then, let's just correlate this to you and I paraphrase, go pick up your favorite bible version, you ALL !
He who does not believe in Christ does NOT get condemned by Christ, oh NO, !! Christ is there until that 'world' person is on their deathbed, however be it so, and, they are down to their very last breath, and, they KNOW what they MUST, simply, do to be SAVED, just LIKE the thief on the CROSS next to Jesus, who was brave, who believed, whose piousness left, so, sure, he was about to die and realized something, was it hell, was it heaven, was it ?? Who flippin' cares !!! Oh, wait, sorry, I should not swear, or is 'flippin'' swearin' at you ALL . Idk, I dunno know, I don't know.
But I do KNOW this, you MUST love God, or, you will NEVER know God, and, be legalistic, Scripture binding of God must be faithful, or, say that God's Word is 'love' as you spit right from the git, pitt, you are BINDING YOURSELVES to hell (do I reallyl have to condemn you?) IF you condemn fellow brothers and sisters on c.c. who don't believe like you.
I see that soooo much on here, it's pathetic, it's ridiculous and the person who does not believe in Christ is NEVER EVER NEVER condemned by Christ, they have, simply, condemned themselves, which Scripture tells us, doesn't it, and, that's it. that's the secret of Christ's love, He will love you, everlasting love, but YOU, indeed, can CONDEMN yourself by not believing in Him and by ridiculing a fellow brother or sister in Christ YOU will be on the road to, well, you take your own guesses, but you better believe the perdition WILL be real IF you don't WAKE UP before you are on your deathbed !!!
Harsh happiness, isn't it??
I pray you all on here realize the Spirit leads you and you better fast SNAP! out of this constant bickering, for you are NO different than the pharasees, hypocrites at best, when you hammer on each other, simply, over the word of God ways that SUIT you. Whoa to YOU, for testing will come, and, WILL you blaspheme Him who TRIES to lead you back from your judging others that in reality is YOU judging yourself, to hell
Green, can you please not be so harsh, we're just saying our opinions.... Are you? Is your HEART right with the Lord? He sees our hearts, only He, and, here you are telling everyone that they are wrong, that they are preaching heresy, etc. AND do you REALLY know that person's heart. No, YOU don't .
Where in the world do you guys get the idea that God is telling you, 'Be Me, please.' ?
You can seperate yourself from sin, the moment you admit that He is Lord in your life , that's when THE BLOOD covers you.
The Spirit then TAKES over, through faith, His given you, by grace, and, to go any other way than His way for you will be showing you do NOT love Him, and, consequently, go read Scripture yourself, you do NOT know Him.
Now, love God, love others, do not gong, gong, GONG, for in so doing you do not reach others and IF you are doing so this action to others who follow and believe the same Christ as you, the same Spirit believed, the same Jesus crucified with, well, then, well, well, then, let's just correlate this to you and I paraphrase, go pick up your favorite bible version, you ALL !
He who does not believe in Christ does NOT get condemned by Christ, oh NO, !! Christ is there until that 'world' person is on their deathbed, however be it so, and, they are down to their very last breath, and, they KNOW what they MUST, simply, do to be SAVED, just LIKE the thief on the CROSS next to Jesus, who was brave, who believed, whose piousness left, so, sure, he was about to die and realized something, was it hell, was it heaven, was it ?? Who flippin' cares !!! Oh, wait, sorry, I should not swear, or is 'flippin'' swearin' at you ALL . Idk, I dunno know, I don't know.
But I do KNOW this, you MUST love God, or, you will NEVER know God, and, be legalistic, Scripture binding of God must be faithful, or, say that God's Word is 'love' as you spit right from the git, pitt, you are BINDING YOURSELVES to hell (do I reallyl have to condemn you?) IF you condemn fellow brothers and sisters on c.c. who don't believe like you.
I see that soooo much on here, it's pathetic, it's ridiculous and the person who does not believe in Christ is NEVER EVER NEVER condemned by Christ, they have, simply, condemned themselves, which Scripture tells us, doesn't it, and, that's it. that's the secret of Christ's love, He will love you, everlasting love, but YOU, indeed, can CONDEMN yourself by not believing in Him and by ridiculing a fellow brother or sister in Christ YOU will be on the road to, well, you take your own guesses, but you better believe the perdition WILL be real IF you don't WAKE UP before you are on your deathbed !!!
Harsh happiness, isn't it??
I pray you all on here realize the Spirit leads you and you better fast SNAP! out of this constant bickering, for you are NO different than the pharasees, hypocrites at best, when you hammer on each other, simply, over the word of God ways that SUIT you. Whoa to YOU, for testing will come, and, WILL you blaspheme Him who TRIES to lead you back from your judging others that in reality is YOU judging yourself, to hell
Green, can you please not be so harsh, we're just saying our opinions.... Are you? Is your HEART right with the Lord? He sees our hearts, only He, and, here you are telling everyone that they are wrong, that they are preaching heresy, etc. AND do you REALLY know that person's heart. No, YOU don't .
Where in the world do you guys get the idea that God is telling you, 'Be Me, please.' ?
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Where in the world do you guys get the idea that God is telling you, 'Be Me, please.' ?
We get it here....Straight from the WORDS OF JESUS our LORD!
John 17....
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21That they all may be one; as thou, Father,artin me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
What an awesome Lord we have.... HE MAKES US ONE WITH HIM, then WE ARE ONE WITH HIM!.....
We get it here....Straight from the WORDS OF JESUS our LORD!
John 17....
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21That they all may be one; as thou, Father,artin me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
What an awesome Lord we have.... HE MAKES US ONE WITH HIM, then WE ARE ONE WITH HIM!.....
I do not believe sin is what caused my pain, I believe it was predestined to make me stronger. The same goes for others, People who have daily physical pain because of their damaged bodies... I know such people and this was not because of their sin but to glorify God. Also Jesus said do not test the lord your god, The only thing he said to Test him in was giving ten percent of our money. I am not sure about the style of your teachings.... You appear to be doing it for the saving of others but you have to realize that you talk about sin as much as and the way you do it will scare new christians away. You must teach with love and care, You must be gentle and teach of love,peace and The word of god. But all i have seen is you yelling about sin
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Re-read what's been said, Cobe...MAYBE, you will understand, I can only have the hope to think you're part of the 'all' on here, myself included, that MUCH rather loves judging others than loving others. We ALL, as believers in Him, going to the SAME location after we die, to be with Him, NEED to realize that ANY subtle or out in the open JUDGING of a fellow brother is going to end one up where they DON'T want to be on earth, and, the Holy Spirit will deal with YOU. You might think you can do whatever you want, maybe, you think you are God, I don't know. But, His handling of YOU will be 'great,' and you will need to ACCEPT the chastening. Will you?
And...
How do you love someone who is ALREADY in Christ, when YOU go about loving them by judging them of their GIVEN faith because they don't fit in your picture-line-perfect denomination's doctrine !!
Who gave you your faith !!!
Rhetorical. So, who grows our faith as we are a VESSEL, God, so, why do you THINK you have to accelerate someone's growth, about things so petty as spiritual gifts as what is considered sin in regards to JUDING another of doing it or not, keeping the law or not, ACCORDING TO YOUR belief, YOUR faith that God gave you.
Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?? Should.
And, God does NOT say 'Be Me, please,' Cobe, He says 'Be LIKE Me.' He also says, 'Be WITH ME.' He also says, 'Be IN Me.' He says, 'Be mine.'
He NEVER EVER NEVER says, 'Be Me, please.' We are to WORK WITH God, we plant, we water, HE IS THE FOUNDATION, the SOIL, He will provide the growth of our Christian life. We are NOT to provide the growth to others by pulling their faith up BY THE ROOTS to satisfy our given beliefs.
We can SAY our given beliefs, we can explain that something is not what they believe and why, but we cannot BE GOD!!!!! By 'being God,' I mean JUDGING THEM, and, going further than that, CONDEMNING THEM to hell. N o !!!!! You will BURN IF you do that, insinuate it, say it out-spoken, or any other way, whoever decides to do this to someone else better FIX their thoughts mighty quick.
We ARE NOT TO DO God's job which is done through the Holy Spirit that REMAINS in ALL those who accept CHrist on the cross' great act of love.
No, no, no !!! The Word of God is NOT 'love,' it is LAW , because Christ is The LaW , His coming to earth gave us all eternal life, through His Son, and, He pointed out ALL the laws of love which hinge on loving Him and and loving others, and, revealed the REAL meaning of HOW the 10 commandments are to be understood. By His grace are ye saved, and, this grace is not rocket science, it is His giving us His Son, this is the grace, this ACT of love , giving us of Himself, who is love, Jesus is God, Jesus is love, the Holy Spirit is love,
His ways are all about learning to love, which, with Him in us, we LEARN to do. Love Him, His way for you, by His Spirit leading you, ACCEPT His way of love for you, whicch may not seem like love but it IS, for He knows you better than you know you, and, His ways are NOT your ways and your thoughts are NOT His thoughts. And, I guarantee you....
....He cries when you guys all judge each other.
God cries, green ? 'Jesus wept.'
And...
How do you love someone who is ALREADY in Christ, when YOU go about loving them by judging them of their GIVEN faith because they don't fit in your picture-line-perfect denomination's doctrine !!
Who gave you your faith !!!
Rhetorical. So, who grows our faith as we are a VESSEL, God, so, why do you THINK you have to accelerate someone's growth, about things so petty as spiritual gifts as what is considered sin in regards to JUDING another of doing it or not, keeping the law or not, ACCORDING TO YOUR belief, YOUR faith that God gave you.
Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?? Should.
And, God does NOT say 'Be Me, please,' Cobe, He says 'Be LIKE Me.' He also says, 'Be WITH ME.' He also says, 'Be IN Me.' He says, 'Be mine.'
He NEVER EVER NEVER says, 'Be Me, please.' We are to WORK WITH God, we plant, we water, HE IS THE FOUNDATION, the SOIL, He will provide the growth of our Christian life. We are NOT to provide the growth to others by pulling their faith up BY THE ROOTS to satisfy our given beliefs.
We can SAY our given beliefs, we can explain that something is not what they believe and why, but we cannot BE GOD!!!!! By 'being God,' I mean JUDGING THEM, and, going further than that, CONDEMNING THEM to hell. N o !!!!! You will BURN IF you do that, insinuate it, say it out-spoken, or any other way, whoever decides to do this to someone else better FIX their thoughts mighty quick.
We ARE NOT TO DO God's job which is done through the Holy Spirit that REMAINS in ALL those who accept CHrist on the cross' great act of love.
No, no, no !!! The Word of God is NOT 'love,' it is LAW , because Christ is The LaW , His coming to earth gave us all eternal life, through His Son, and, He pointed out ALL the laws of love which hinge on loving Him and and loving others, and, revealed the REAL meaning of HOW the 10 commandments are to be understood. By His grace are ye saved, and, this grace is not rocket science, it is His giving us His Son, this is the grace, this ACT of love , giving us of Himself, who is love, Jesus is God, Jesus is love, the Holy Spirit is love,
His ways are all about learning to love, which, with Him in us, we LEARN to do. Love Him, His way for you, by His Spirit leading you, ACCEPT His way of love for you, whicch may not seem like love but it IS, for He knows you better than you know you, and, His ways are NOT your ways and your thoughts are NOT His thoughts. And, I guarantee you....
....He cries when you guys all judge each other.
God cries, green ? 'Jesus wept.'
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I ASK YOU ALL THIS:
ARE YOU SONS OF SIN?
OR SONS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS?
If you are a servant of righteousness then you are a sevant of whom you obey, GOD IS RIGHTEOUSNESS, if you are a servant of sin then you are a servant of whom you obey, SATAN IS SIN whether of SIN UNTO DEATH, OR OBEIDENCE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS! Which is life everlasting!
REMEMBER SIN IS WILLFULL DISOBEDIENCE.
WE PREACH THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WILFULLY DISOBEY GOD.
We do not preach that you will do everything right because we all have probable a lot more to learn!
But we preach that you do not have to wilfully disobey LOVE!
ARE YOU SONS OF SIN?
OR SONS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS?
If you are a servant of righteousness then you are a sevant of whom you obey, GOD IS RIGHTEOUSNESS, if you are a servant of sin then you are a servant of whom you obey, SATAN IS SIN whether of SIN UNTO DEATH, OR OBEIDENCE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS! Which is life everlasting!
REMEMBER SIN IS WILLFULL DISOBEDIENCE.
WE PREACH THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WILFULLY DISOBEY GOD.
We do not preach that you will do everything right because we all have probable a lot more to learn!
But we preach that you do not have to wilfully disobey LOVE!
The only person I judge is my own heart. God said if our hearts convicts us He is more than our hearts. How can I take the splint out of your eye if there is a pole in mine. Nope I think I did not judge any person EVER to hell. Oh I try their spirits, but that is one of God's commands, I am only obedient.
Green I read all of this posts, no need to re-read. I have had this conversation many times. You are not the only ones that does not agree with me. There are way more that disagree than agree with my idea of salvation.
Zone, no matter what language we use in Matthew 5:48, God wants us on the SAME Spiritual level that He is on. Call it perfect, Call it fulfill, Call it mature, call it complete.... As long as it is as perfect, as mature, as fulfill, as complete as Father in heaven is. That can only happen if God FILLS, Perfect, mature, complete me with HIS SPIRIT!
But here is the thing, If God does give us His Spirit, then we cannnot be anything less than, Mature, perfect, fulfilled, complete. His Spirit is the COMPLETION of HIS WORK ON US!
I just cannot put it in more simple words.... NO person has recieved the Spirit of God and continue in sin. NOT ONE! Not ever! God warns that if one does do sin AFTER the baptism of the Holy Spirit, then there is NO sacrifice for such a person, No more chance to get to heaven.
I love that all preach Jesus, whether in Truth or in whatever, Paul also said he rejoice in the preaching of Jesus, because no matter where a person turns, The Holy Spirit will take over the teaching in the life of ALL repenting sinners. God is the ONLY one that can reveal scripture, I did my best to share the Truth. Some PM'd me and asked me never to stop sharing, and they are the ones that grow in this teachings. Some will not ever accept me as one that speaks the Truth of God, but then they also did not believe Jesus, my Teacher.
I need no church, the one I want to join Jesus himself maintains. And look what Jesus does with HIS Church...He presents it to Himself without spot or wrinkle... What an awesome God we have in Christ Jesus! I wonder what Jesus did with the sin his Church had in their old lives? Every body on this Forum can give that answer. But who can answer this one.... What did Jesus do with the old man his people once were?
May the Lord of peace, let us all into HIS REST!
Green I read all of this posts, no need to re-read. I have had this conversation many times. You are not the only ones that does not agree with me. There are way more that disagree than agree with my idea of salvation.
Zone, no matter what language we use in Matthew 5:48, God wants us on the SAME Spiritual level that He is on. Call it perfect, Call it fulfill, Call it mature, call it complete.... As long as it is as perfect, as mature, as fulfill, as complete as Father in heaven is. That can only happen if God FILLS, Perfect, mature, complete me with HIS SPIRIT!
But here is the thing, If God does give us His Spirit, then we cannnot be anything less than, Mature, perfect, fulfilled, complete. His Spirit is the COMPLETION of HIS WORK ON US!
I just cannot put it in more simple words.... NO person has recieved the Spirit of God and continue in sin. NOT ONE! Not ever! God warns that if one does do sin AFTER the baptism of the Holy Spirit, then there is NO sacrifice for such a person, No more chance to get to heaven.
I love that all preach Jesus, whether in Truth or in whatever, Paul also said he rejoice in the preaching of Jesus, because no matter where a person turns, The Holy Spirit will take over the teaching in the life of ALL repenting sinners. God is the ONLY one that can reveal scripture, I did my best to share the Truth. Some PM'd me and asked me never to stop sharing, and they are the ones that grow in this teachings. Some will not ever accept me as one that speaks the Truth of God, but then they also did not believe Jesus, my Teacher.
I need no church, the one I want to join Jesus himself maintains. And look what Jesus does with HIS Church...He presents it to Himself without spot or wrinkle... What an awesome God we have in Christ Jesus! I wonder what Jesus did with the sin his Church had in their old lives? Every body on this Forum can give that answer. But who can answer this one.... What did Jesus do with the old man his people once were?
May the Lord of peace, let us all into HIS REST!
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Brotherpitt, IF you are in the Spirit, you will NOT be in willful disobedience. Not sure if you are talking to zone, cfultz, or, who just, but these all believe in the Spirit in their life . Now, how the Spirit works in their life is at difference but the bottom line is that ALL have Him in their temple. So, what you are saying is understood by all, who are Christians, who have accepted Christ in their life and even IF they do not know the Holy Spirit is in their life after having been born again, the Spirit is still there, because why? Because you have faith in Christ. Now, you can see His work accentuate IF you begin to really truly understand who the Holy Spirit is, who is Jesus, who is God, who was given us so that we do NOT sin, who bear His seed.
We BELIEVE in the same salvation, Cobe. Maybe you believe it is loseable or not, I am not talking about that, I am talking about you becoming I AM !!!! And, when you judge others, YOU DON'T GET IT!!!
And, this is to ALL of us to heed, not just you, cobe, not just zone, not just eg, not just cee, not just pitt, not just some others, but ALL others on c.c., in this particular context, ALL of us need to realize that judging others, so be it done subtly or loud, is going to have the Spirit ENTER into your life and it won't be good !!! But, it will be God and that wil be good, it will be YOUR CHOICE at that point to ACCEPT His leading or not.
I don't like to come on here constantly and lambast everyone, grandpaK, eg, zone, cee, sometimes even, for ALL your debasing each other's doctrine's and weakening stuff of their argument just for the sake of weakening it because they don't believe EXACTLY how you believe in the SAME SALVATION that those who believe in Him ALL are saved , by grace, through faith !!
why you boasting???
The Lord leads, let Him, that is my best advice, from out of your mouth speaks the mind which comes from where? Have it come from Him , be a man, or woman, after His heart , after doing His will, after WANTING to follow Him in your life, ACCEPT His ways, and, sure, pray to understand why you are going thorugh what He is leading you through.
He will TELL you, too, through things that happen in your life, still small voice, circumstances, at least, this is how I BELIEVE , the Spirit in me leading, who goes with me everywhere I go as long as I FOLLOW Him and live FULLY in His grace, as, of course, we make mistakes, we are still needing His love, His grace, His forgiveness, His cleansing of our sins as we go about our life. Just because you become a Christian does NOT mean you won't, at some points, be asked by His leading, to go to the altar, to raise your hand in church to re-commit your life to His duties for your life, etc. kDoes it?
Again, what I believe, so, you don't believe it, great, speak your piece, but SPEAK in love, or, don't speak. Personally, WHY IN THE WORLD would anyone want to tell me that the way I believe God leads my life want to say, 'That's silly, that's not true.'
Or, hey, here's one I saw that was utterly pathetic, one person was saying, 'God does havea location,' and the other person comes on and says, 'No, God does not have a location.'
And , then others come on and support that person's slamming of another person.
'Hugs....'
Bah. It's just YOU insecure in your faith , it's you needing to GROW UP and learn to love and not judge and NOT suport others judging someone else. Takes time, Christ peeps, we will all learn, but ONLY as we let Him FULLY lead our life by His grace, and, don't forget believing in His mercy, of what happens in our life.
Why?? What is EDIFYING about the way someone believes God is doing things? Silly. Utterly silly.
We BELIEVE in the same salvation, Cobe. Maybe you believe it is loseable or not, I am not talking about that, I am talking about you becoming I AM !!!! And, when you judge others, YOU DON'T GET IT!!!
And, this is to ALL of us to heed, not just you, cobe, not just zone, not just eg, not just cee, not just pitt, not just some others, but ALL others on c.c., in this particular context, ALL of us need to realize that judging others, so be it done subtly or loud, is going to have the Spirit ENTER into your life and it won't be good !!! But, it will be God and that wil be good, it will be YOUR CHOICE at that point to ACCEPT His leading or not.
I don't like to come on here constantly and lambast everyone, grandpaK, eg, zone, cee, sometimes even, for ALL your debasing each other's doctrine's and weakening stuff of their argument just for the sake of weakening it because they don't believe EXACTLY how you believe in the SAME SALVATION that those who believe in Him ALL are saved , by grace, through faith !!
why you boasting???
The Lord leads, let Him, that is my best advice, from out of your mouth speaks the mind which comes from where? Have it come from Him , be a man, or woman, after His heart , after doing His will, after WANTING to follow Him in your life, ACCEPT His ways, and, sure, pray to understand why you are going thorugh what He is leading you through.
He will TELL you, too, through things that happen in your life, still small voice, circumstances, at least, this is how I BELIEVE , the Spirit in me leading, who goes with me everywhere I go as long as I FOLLOW Him and live FULLY in His grace, as, of course, we make mistakes, we are still needing His love, His grace, His forgiveness, His cleansing of our sins as we go about our life. Just because you become a Christian does NOT mean you won't, at some points, be asked by His leading, to go to the altar, to raise your hand in church to re-commit your life to His duties for your life, etc. kDoes it?
Again, what I believe, so, you don't believe it, great, speak your piece, but SPEAK in love, or, don't speak. Personally, WHY IN THE WORLD would anyone want to tell me that the way I believe God leads my life want to say, 'That's silly, that's not true.'
Or, hey, here's one I saw that was utterly pathetic, one person was saying, 'God does havea location,' and the other person comes on and says, 'No, God does not have a location.'
And , then others come on and support that person's slamming of another person.
'Hugs....'
Bah. It's just YOU insecure in your faith , it's you needing to GROW UP and learn to love and not judge and NOT suport others judging someone else. Takes time, Christ peeps, we will all learn, but ONLY as we let Him FULLY lead our life by His grace, and, don't forget believing in His mercy, of what happens in our life.
Why?? What is EDIFYING about the way someone believes God is doing things? Silly. Utterly silly.
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