Catholic's Arent Real Christians

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kenisyes said:
The tacit assumption is that the Catholic Church operates on earth as a substitute for Christ, and hence acceptance of them is acceptance of Him.
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And that is the one assumption (within the 'realm' of Catholicism) that is no doubt by far the most woefully wrong, non-biblical, deceptive, dangerous, misleading, captive-taking, bondage-producing, soul-destroying error of all!

Reminder: http://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/47618-quote-quote-quote.html <----- link to CC thread

kenisyes:

This is not directed at you. I am not saying you believe this statement. I know you are just telling us what Catholicism taught you.

I appreciate your honest direct approach at disclosing the facts as you see them.

I am only doing the same.

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GRA said:
And that is the one assumption (within the 'realm' of Catholicism) that is no doubt by far the most woefully wrong, non-biblical, deceptive, dangerous, misleading, captive-taking, bondage-producing, soul-destroying error of all!
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Sometimes the way you guys think of catholics it is so out there I wonder who in His name has made you believe so wrong of others.

No one substitutes God on earth, no one.

If you read something and it drives you off the wall,ask the right person to explain.
Not every catholic is in the same walk of Faith, Hope and Love.
 
I believe that Catholics are Christians and, if they serve God faithfully, they are saved. The only criteria for a Christian is putting faith in Jesus. Some will argue you also need to accept the Trinity, but I won't argue for that.
 
Rock022 said:
Sometimes the way you guys think of catholics it is so out there I wonder who in His name has made you believe so wrong of others.

No one substitutes God on earth, no one.

If you read something and it drives you off the wall,ask the right person to explain.
Not every catholic is in the same walk of Faith, Hope and Love.
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This is why I called it a tacit assumption. It is never stated precisely. Can you give another explanation for why they believe that a Catholic may remain faithful to church laws, but never actually make the decision to follow Jesus as his personal savior, and still reach heaven?
 
shawntc said:
I believe that Catholics are Christians and, if they serve God faithfully, they are saved. The only criteria for a Christian is putting faith in Jesus. Some will argue you also need to accept the Trinity, but I won't argue for that.
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Is putting faith in the Catholic church the same as putting faith in Jesus?
 
With regard to the title of this thread -- I sincerely hope that people (Catholics especially) understand the difference between these two questions:

~ Can a person who attends a Catholic church become a born-again Christian?

~ Is the Catholic church and its doctrine biblical and [spiritually] healthy to follow?

The answer to the first question is: YES - absolutely and most certainly!

The answer to the second question is: NO - absolutely and unequivocally!

I do not know anyone who 'condemns' any person because they happen to be Catholic. On the contrary! God loves them just as much as anyone else - including me!

I do know people who 'condemn' the Catholic doctrine because they believe it to be non-biblical and in grave error - and leading people to hell by the billions!

If a person follows this non-biblical erroneous church and its doctrine (especially, according to the traditional Catholic ritualism) - they are much more likely to be led away from God rather than to God - because - based on what the Catholic church and its doctrine teaches - they are much more likely to place their faith in the Catholic church and its ritualism than to place their [true] faith in God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

By following the Catholic church and its doctrine, Catholics unwittingly accept a false "substitute" for Christ -- and they venture great risk of standing before God on Judgment Day and being told:

"I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (from Matthew 7:23)

The people who may seem to 'condemn' Catholics with "hate speech" are very much more than likely actually 'condemning' [only] the Catholic church and its doctrine out of love for the Catholic people themselves -- because, they believe what I have stated above.

Please understand the difference...

Catholic people:

"They don't hate you - they love you."

They are only trying to "wake you up" and get you to see the truth about the Catholic church and its doctrine.

I implore you -- "do the research" -- "do the hard work" (which requires that you study the scriptures while not being influenced by the Catholic church and its doctrine) -- if you do - you WILL find that the Catholic church and its doctrine is not "where you want to be"...

If nothing else - please understand that the motivation behind the intent of these people to help you is honorable.

:)

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Every thing that it is done in the catholic church comes from scripture. Do your research in the right place. Would you go to an atheist to learn from God? Then why not go to a priest to learn from the catholic church?

Short example with regards of Mary the mother of God, many say where is that in the bible? here is just a small portion for those who deny her motherhood.

Matthew 2
11 ...Mary his mother...
13 ...his mother...
14 ...his mother...
20 ...his mother...
21 ...his mother...

Yet people will say: You are taking it out of context. Really?

Then other beliefs bring forth other questions like: Well Jesus has two natures or Jesus and God are two different persons, and so on. All this questions have answers, all of them.

But when a person is held strongly to a belief it is hard to "convince" and that is when we let God do his will. [Please understand I am defending my faith here just like you guys are defending yours] We all hope we have the truth, those who claim they know it all God bless them.
 
Rock022 said:
Sometimes the way you guys think of catholics it is so out there I wonder who in His name has made you believe...
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'who in His name' indeed! Who? Jesus Himself - Who is the Word of God - and, by the Word of God, these things may be seen and understood.

Rock022 said:
No one substitutes God on earth, no one.
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I see... So - that "little thing" about the Pope being "God's infallable 'substitute' on the Earth" (MAJOR Catholic doctrine) - is...

what, exactly...???

Rock022 said:
If you read something and it drives you off the wall,ask the right person to explain.
Not every catholic is in the same walk of Faith, Hope and Love.
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The right person to ask is always the Word of God... ;)

When people who work for the Federal Reserve Bank in the U.S.A. are trained on how to quickly spot counterfeit bills, they are not trained by having them study every known counterfeit bill that might be placed in front of them for examination. Rather, they are trained by having them very closely examine "the real thing" with such intensity and detail that they will be able to spot the counterfeit bills by virtue of the fact that they know so well what "the real thing" looks like. Anything else will become highly visible as it will not match "the real thing" - and may then be easily identified as a counterfeit.

They do not focus on the counterfeits - they focus on "the real thing"...

This is the way everyone should go about understanding the truth of the scriptures.

By becoming so intensely familiar with what the "the real thing" looks like - we can "spot" the counterfeits easily.

The Catholic church and its doctrine are a counterfeit - and this may be seen very clearly in the Word of God.

However, the Pope is not the one to ask for the interpretation thereof...

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It is up to us, individually, to go to scripture and prayer to discover as much truth as we can, though scripture tells us we see darkly. One way to judge other posters for truth is how God tells us to do it, by their love. If they love pointing fingers, they are not reflecting truth.

I think it is a mistake to go to any organized church for truth, that is something for scripture and the Holy Spirit. If we check outside those two places, I think we need to go to history to see how God has worked with us in the past, but always checking with scripture comes first, even to be able to find God in history. We go to the organized church to worship, to fellowship, and study scripture.

I fellowship with several Catholics. I find areas that I do not think they reflect God’s ways, and I find lots of areas that it seems to me tells of God. That is true, also, of the church I belong to. God comes first.
 
Here is a link to the order of the Mass. See for your self it is all about God. You guys are judging but don't seem to know what really goes on. Stop casting stones, go to a catholic church stand in front of the Monstrance [it keeps the body of Christ] tell him he is not real.


Order of the Mass Link ---> http://old.usccb.org/romanmissal/order-of-mass.pdf <--- Link to order of the Mass
 
agirlandherguitar said:
Hello everyone!

I'm struggling with this "Catholic's Aren't Christians" topic with a friend and I want to get your opinion on it!

First of all, I'm not Catholic and neither is my friend. We're just Christian (some may say Evangelical or something). Anyways, we were discussing Catholisism one day and she made the comment that Catholic's aren't real Christians because they believe that works will get you into heaven, are only saved if you are baptized, exalt priests, the pope and Mary and that you must confess your sins to a priest and not to Jesus because you are not worthy to do so and many other things that don't line up with Biblical teaching.

Now, I agree that there are a lot of things that Catholics do that don't seem to line up with the Bible (a lot of Christians do things that don't line up with the Bible) and the whole Hail Mary's, rosaries and other things seem very cumbersome but I wouldn't go as far to say that they aren't real Christians because they do things a different way. They believe in Jesus and honor him above all else, am I right? I'm not sure how to talk to my friend about this matter because she seems pretty set in her belief that Catholics aren't Christians and I don't agree with her.

If there are any Catholics here I'd like to hear your opinion on this so I can share your thoughts with my friend.

Thanks!
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I’m not Catholic but I think Catholics are Christians.
 
shawntc said:
I believe that Catholics are Christians and, if they serve God faithfully, they are saved. The only criteria for a Christian is putting faith in Jesus. Some will argue you also need to accept the Trinity, but I won't argue for that.
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Sorry to tell you, but if you do not accept the Deity of Christ, which is very much biblically founded..then you are missing an essential of christianity that is certainly a non negotiable..Jehovahs witnesses and Oneness pentecostals miss the mark on this..and are not true Christians, this is not said to offend but to speak the truth.
 
resurrection33 said:
I’m not Catholic but I think Catholics are Christians.
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agreed..while i do not believe all Catholics are saved..are all lutherans saved? all baptists? all charismatics? and down the line we could go..no..i know that because i have seen folks with a fervent faith and fruit in just about every denomination except for the Jws/watchtowers,and mormons/latter day saints...
I have concerns with the oneness folks too..as there is sufficient biblical proof to make the concept of a truine God biblical.
 
It makes me sad that people would say that because someone is this or that they aren't Christian. That is like looking at someone who has a lot of tattoos and dresses funky and saying that. GOD IS the only one who knows the true nature of our hearts.
 
Time for revival

Ancient laws made 1000s of years ago of the land in most places need to be change just like the royal monacy in the united kingdom which excludes the marriage of any cathilics .
A debate for getting rid of that law has been today opened by prince Charles ..

Once apon a time england was vrry anti catholic which is no longer the case this is Why even prince charles is looking to change a the law to alow catholics to be married into royalty .
 
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