Please help the catholics!

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Religious freedom in america is being attacked. Catholics are not asking others to become catholics, but help keep our freedom of religion right. This is an attack on all of us, do not ignore it. I ask you as a christian please help us keep this right of freedom. What is the main attack? We will have to pay for abortions which is clearly a sin.

What can you do?

Here ---> NCHLA
 
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Jenjoy

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I totally agree with you. I don't tell anyone who to vote for, but I had Catholic friends who voted for Obama, I was shocked. I don't discuss politics much, but I was actually sick to my stomach when Obama was reelected.
 
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What am I supposed to say to the law student chick from Georgetown (Jesuit-Catholic) who demands the right to free contraceptives?

Catholics have been called out from within, at the highest levels, the papacy, and the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, join in calling them out ... the religion is mixed and mixed up in corruption. The third order lay practices are the call the last time I checked at vatican.va

 
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Religious freedom in america is being attacked. Catholics are not asking others to become catholics, but help keep our freedom of religion right. This is an attack on all of us, do not ignore it. I ask you as a christian please help us keep this right of freedom. What is the main attack? We will have to pay for abortions which is clearly a sin.

What can you do?

Here ---> NCHLA
I don't want to pay for other people's birth control, either. Thanks for the post.
 
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I totally agree with you. I don't tell anyone who to vote for, but I had Catholic friends who voted for Obama, I was shocked. I don't discuss politics much, but I was actually sick to my stomach when Obama was reelected.

Ive tried to mentioned this to some catholics who blindly voted for Obama..i was merely accused of crying and whining about Obama.i also mentioned how Obama is anti religion but i was told that he is a christian(how so?) and then again..many on here did not even vote..primarly because Mitt was a mormon..but these same ones will complain about things not being any better..I did not like or want Romney to be Nominated..but it was him or Obama..and me I am ok with him being a mormon..at least he is a real mormon and respects religious freedom and is fiscally conservative! Obama..he is an anti semite..anti christian..we will lose our religious liberties more each day for the next 4 years..you have been warned..elections have consequences.
 
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rauleetoe

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What am I supposed to say to the law student chick from Georgetown (Jesuit-Catholic) who demands the right to free contraceptives?

Catholics have been called out from within, at the highest levels, the papacy, and the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, join in calling them out ... the religion is mixed and mixed up in corruption. The third order lay practices are the call the last time I checked at vatican.va


You tell her what i tell all others who want that..go buy some contraceptives yourself! No church or organization should be forced to go against their beliefs..so while you may want to appeal to the college law student..i appeal to religious freedom..btw, the catholics while you may disagree with them are the loudest voice regarding these political matters it seems..those who are working with us are not against us, as Jesus said..
 
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rauleetoe

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Religious freedom in america is being attacked. Catholics are not asking others to become catholics, but help keep our freedom of religion right. This is an attack on all of us, do not ignore it. I ask you as a christian please help us keep this right of freedom. What is the main attack? We will have to pay for abortions which is clearly a sin.

What can you do?

Here ---> NCHLA
its done neighbor..now I hope the others here can do the same and not sit idly just because it is a catholic(who adheres to pretty much all the values I do as well) is asking for this. This affects all who wave the banner of Christendom!

Don't sit idle anymore guys!
 

zone

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Obama..he is an anti semite..
*cough*

Transcript of Obama’s AIPAC speech
3/4/12 2:03 PM EST

"....As always, I’m glad to see my longtime friends in the Chicago delegation. I also want to thank the members of Congress who are with us here today, and who will be speaking to you over the next few days. You’ve worked hard to maintain the partnership between the United States and Israel. And I especially want to thank my close friend and leader of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

I’m glad that my outstanding young ambassador to Israel, Dan Shapiro, is in the house. I understand that Dan is perfecting his Hebrew on his new assignment, and I appreciate his constant outreach to the Israeli people. And I’m also pleased that we’re joined by so many Israeli officials, including Ambassador Michael Oren. And tomorrow, I’m very much looking forward to welcoming Prime Minister Netanyahu and his delegation back to the White House.
Every time I come to AIPAC, I’m especially impressed to see so many young people here. You don’t yet get the front seats - I understand. You have to earn that. But students from all over the country who are making their voices heard and engaging deeply in our democratic debate. You carry with you an extraordinary legacy of more than six decades of friendship between the United States and Israel. And you have the opportunity - and the responsibility - to make your own mark on the world. And for inspiration, you can look to the man who preceded me on this stage, who’s being honored at this conference - my friend, President Shimon Peres.

Shimon was born a world away from here, in a shtetl in what was then Poland, a few years after the end of the first world war. But his heart was always in Israel, the historic homeland of the Jewish people. And when he was just a boy he made his journey across land and sea - toward home.

In his life, he has fought for Israel’s independence, and he has fought for peace and security. As a member of the Haganah and a member of the Knesset, as a minister of defense and foreign affairs, as a prime minister and as president - Shimon helped build the nation that thrives today: the Jewish state of Israel. But beyond these extraordinary achievements, he has also been a powerful moral voice that reminds us that right makes might - not the other way around.

Shimon once described the story of the Jewish people by saying it proved that, “slings, arrows and gas chambers can annihilate man, but cannot destroy human values, dignity, and freedom.” And he has lived those values. He has taught us to ask more of ourselves and to empathize more with our fellow human beings. I am grateful for his life’s work and his moral example. And I’m proud to announce that later this spring, I will invite Shimon Peres to the White House to present him with America’s highest civilian honor - the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
In many ways, this award is a symbol of the broader ties that bind our nations. The United States and Israel share interests, but we also share those human values that Shimon spoke about: a commitment to human dignity. A belief that freedom is a right that is given to all of God’s children. An experience that shows us that democracy is the one and only form of government that can truly respond to the aspirations of citizens.....


Read more: Transcript of Obama?s AIPAC speech - POLITICO.com <click



 
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Ive tried to mentioned this to some catholics who blindly voted for Obama..i was merely accused of crying and whining about Obama.i also mentioned how Obama is anti religion but i was told that he is a christian(how so?) and then again..many on here did not even vote..primarly because Mitt was a mormon..but these same ones will complain about things not being any better..I did not like or want Romney to be Nominated..but it was him or Obama..and me I am ok with him being a mormon..at least he is a real mormon and respects religious freedom and is fiscally conservative! Obama..he is an anti semite..anti christian..we will lose our religious liberties more each day for the next 4 years..you have been warned..elections have consequences.
I too had issues mentioning this to even to relatives and was told "the church does not have the right to tell me how to vote for' and when I mentioned the issues at stake I was told "is my faith not good enough" which is a protestant belief. Then again they go to mass a few times a year, I tried to tell them that this was wrong and things just kept getting worst in conversation. For the sake of peace I left it alone. Still trying to figure out how to talk to some of my relatives.

In the other hand I have talked to protestants and they blow me away with "this is a corrupted church issue not mine."

Mass media has penetrated our faith in a way that people do not see the sins we are doing against God.
 
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rauleetoe

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I too had issues mentioning this to even to relatives and was told "the church does not have the right to tell me how to vote for' and when I mentioned the issues at stake I was told "is my faith not good enough" which is a protestant belief. Then again they go to mass a few times a year, I tried to tell them that this was wrong and things just kept getting worst in conversation. For the sake of peace I left it alone. Still trying to figure out how to talk to some of my relatives.

In the other hand I have talked to protestants and they blow me away with "this is a corrupted church issue not mine."

Mass media has penetrated our faith in a way that people do not see the sins we are doing against God.

Well i can only say i am sorry for how some folks are..the protestants here and most protestants in general do not speak for me nor do they believe in the same emphasis..and likewise, i too am a heretic in their eyes..
sadly some protestants should be honest they are more 'moderate' christians than anything else..sunday christians ill call them.
But you keep on plugging on..keep knocking on doors..you will get positive responses..its a numbers thing..keep on knocking..
 
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*cough*

Transcript of Obama&#8217;s AIPAC speech
3/4/12 2:03 PM EST

"....As always, I&#8217;m glad to see my longtime friends in the Chicago delegation. I also want to thank the members of Congress who are with us here today, and who will be speaking to you over the next few days. You&#8217;ve worked hard to maintain the partnership between the United States and Israel. And I especially want to thank my close friend and leader of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

I&#8217;m glad that my outstanding young ambassador to Israel, Dan Shapiro, is in the house. I understand that Dan is perfecting his Hebrew on his new assignment, and I appreciate his constant outreach to the Israeli people. And I&#8217;m also pleased that we&#8217;re joined by so many Israeli officials, including Ambassador Michael Oren. And tomorrow, I&#8217;m very much looking forward to welcoming Prime Minister Netanyahu and his delegation back to the White House.
Every time I come to AIPAC, I&#8217;m especially impressed to see so many young people here. You don&#8217;t yet get the front seats - I understand. You have to earn that. But students from all over the country who are making their voices heard and engaging deeply in our democratic debate. You carry with you an extraordinary legacy of more than six decades of friendship between the United States and Israel. And you have the opportunity - and the responsibility - to make your own mark on the world. And for inspiration, you can look to the man who preceded me on this stage, who&#8217;s being honored at this conference - my friend, President Shimon Peres.

Shimon was born a world away from here, in a shtetl in what was then Poland, a few years after the end of the first world war. But his heart was always in Israel, the historic homeland of the Jewish people. And when he was just a boy he made his journey across land and sea - toward home.

In his life, he has fought for Israel&#8217;s independence, and he has fought for peace and security. As a member of the Haganah and a member of the Knesset, as a minister of defense and foreign affairs, as a prime minister and as president - Shimon helped build the nation that thrives today: the Jewish state of Israel. But beyond these extraordinary achievements, he has also been a powerful moral voice that reminds us that right makes might - not the other way around.

Shimon once described the story of the Jewish people by saying it proved that, &#8220;slings, arrows and gas chambers can annihilate man, but cannot destroy human values, dignity, and freedom.&#8221; And he has lived those values. He has taught us to ask more of ourselves and to empathize more with our fellow human beings. I am grateful for his life&#8217;s work and his moral example. And I&#8217;m proud to announce that later this spring, I will invite Shimon Peres to the White House to present him with America&#8217;s highest civilian honor - the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
In many ways, this award is a symbol of the broader ties that bind our nations. The United States and Israel share interests, but we also share those human values that Shimon spoke about: a commitment to human dignity. A belief that freedom is a right that is given to all of God&#8217;s children. An experience that shows us that democracy is the one and only form of government that can truly respond to the aspirations of citizens.....


Read more: Transcript of Obama?s AIPAC speech - POLITICO.com <click



We all know who you rooted for obviously..

As far as him being pro Israel..thats hogwash in its entirety..Benjamin Netenyahu does not even want to talk to this guy we got in the white house..why? Because there is no reasoning with a guy who is pro arab, apologizes to our enemies and wants them to go back to their old borders..
go tell it to someone else who may buy it..
I do not..sorry..
 

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It is the governments duty to protect the innocent, instead they have approved and now financially support the taking life of the innocent-not-yet born infants. Up in arms the government goes over gun control while they are out of control and accountable for turning their backs on a million a year innocents to be slaughtered.
The Church as a whole should be active on this issue and confessedly the Prots have been asleep at the wheel.
 
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I too had issues mentioning this to even to relatives and was told "the church does not have the right to tell me how to vote for' and when I mentioned the issues at stake I was told "is my faith not good enough" which is a protestant belief. Then again they go to mass a few times a year, I tried to tell them that this was wrong and things just kept getting worst in conversation. For the sake of peace I left it alone. Still trying to figure out how to talk to some of my relatives.

In the other hand I have talked to protestants and they blow me away with "this is a corrupted church issue not mine."

Mass media has penetrated our faith in a way that people do not see the sins we are doing against God.


I wish people would understand the corrupted church issue is everyone's. When they can force the Catholic Church to pay for things they have had a strong belief against for years ,then what's next? I hope for the best but Obama and Biden want to control everything.
 
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It is the governments duty to protect the innocent, instead they have approved and now financially support the taking life of the innocent-not-yet born infants. Up in arms the government goes over gun control while they are out of control and accountable for turning their backs on a million a year innocents to be slaughtered.
The Church as a whole should be active on this issue and confessedly the Prots have been asleep at the wheel.

Stop the fornication, stop the pregnancy, the rest becomes moot. (I know, married abortions too ...) The USA has a 40 percent illegitimacy rate as it is, higher for people of color. The US has a Cesarean section rate twice that which the World Health Organization has been warning for twenty years is a reflection of an illicit social and medical policy ...

When we preach Jesus and Him crucified, please remember this sacrifice which he approved of and did of his own will and that of the Father in Heaven. This fixes the principle of prevention. Please help us to avoid this tragedy, by addressing the root causes, the nature of man, and his social system(s).

Government mandating medicine or any such insurance tax on a people is indeed wrong, it is wrong for all of us. Perhaps it is a form of an abomination that causes desolation -- a poll tax. But the issue is not abortion or illegitimacy, it is fornication and preventing the pregnancy. Let us avoid where the works of the flesh are manifest, and Jesus and him crucified overlap ...
 
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I'm pretty sure the Bible says the saints should stay out of politics - God will decide who runs a country, for good or bad.
As far as the contraception issue is concerned, the Bible doesn't mention it (at all) - so to ban it (as the Catholic church does) is a man-made doctrine. It's certainly not of God.
However, abortion, it is clear from the Bible, is not right. The Bible makes it clearest perhaps in Jeremiah but also in the conception of Mary with Jesus, that it is God's doing through His spirit.
I think to hijack a topic based upon theology and spiritual belief and turn it into a political hate thread is not good. I'm not a supporter of either camp btw, I'm in the UK - most of our politicians take pride in being atheists. It can change very quickly but do you think God isn't in control? Who decides if camp A or camp B wins? Do we think God is not in control? The Bible says He decides. I believe that.
 
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I'm pretty sure the Bible says the saints should stay out of politics - God will decide who runs a country, for good or bad.
As far as the contraception issue is concerned, the Bible doesn't mention it (at all) - so to ban it (as the Catholic church does) is a man-made doctrine. It's certainly not of God.
However, abortion, it is clear from the Bible, is not right. The Bible makes it clearest perhaps in Jeremiah but also in the conception of Mary with Jesus, that it is God's doing through His spirit.
I think to hijack a topic based upon theology and spiritual belief and turn it into a political hate thread is not good. I'm not a supporter of either camp btw, I'm in the UK - most of our politicians take pride in being atheists. It can change very quickly but do you think God isn't in control? Who decides if camp A or camp B wins? Do we think God is not in control? The Bible says He decides. I believe that.
I would rather not have to pay for abortions, most of which I believe are immoral, through my insurance premiums. I would rather not have to pay for people’s contraception through my insurance premiums.
 

crossnote

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Stop the fornication, stop the pregnancy, the rest becomes moot. (I know, married abortions too ...) The USA has a 40 percent illegitimacy rate as it is, higher for people of color. The US has a Cesarean section rate twice that which the World Health Organization has been warning for twenty years is a reflection of an illicit social and medical policy ...

When we preach Jesus and Him crucified, please remember this sacrifice which he approved of and did of his own will and that of the Father in Heaven. This fixes the principle of prevention. Please help us to avoid this tragedy, by addressing the root causes, the nature of man, and his social system(s).

Government mandating medicine or any such insurance tax on a people is indeed wrong, it is wrong for all of us. Perhaps it is a form of an abomination that causes desolation -- a poll tax. But the issue is not abortion or illegitimacy, it is fornication and preventing the pregnancy. Let us avoid where the works of the flesh are manifest, and Jesus and him crucified overlap ...
yes but once the conception has taken place we have gone beyond the root of the problem and need to tend to the branches.
 
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Jenjoy

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I just want to add it's not that expensive to buy birth control over the counter. I know there are also places that hand out free condoms. Or I know this isn't realistic, but as my Mother said, the best protection for an unmarried person is to keep your legs shut.
 
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If the Catholic lobbyists don't have the money to outbid the other lobbyists for this, the game is already over.