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I do agree with you that God will save those that are born that way,but I can not agree with you that it allows us to walk outside of that which God has plainly said. We are to walk in the truth. So what does Jesus mean when He says there are those that are born eunuchs. It is within the context of marriage that Jesus says that to His disciples and I will copy that again
"Please be careful as Matthew 19 1-12 is within the context of marriage and divorce. The Pharisees first question was if it was OK to divorce for any reason. Jesus reminds them that God made them male and female,the two would be united in one flesh,and what God has joined together let no man put asunder. The Pharisees then asks Jesus why did Moses give the condition that a man could write a certificate of divorce and send her away. Jesus tells them it was permitted for their hard hearts. Jesus then goes on to tell them that except for sexual immorality that if one remarries they committed adultery and they cause the other to commit adultery also.
Why didn't Jesus tell them what sexual immorality is? The Pharisees already knew what it was within the context of the Mosaic law. There was no need to repeat that which they already knew. They knew what the law said and the consequences that were to be meted out under the Mosaic law.
Next the disciples then comment on that exchange
10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
So why did they say that? Because in one fell swoop Jesus removes any and all other "causes" that could be made for divorce but one. It is after this that Jesus talks about eunuchs.
11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
Within the context,Jesus is speaking to Jews living under the Mosaic law,it can only mean one thing and that's celibacy. One should remember that Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees and the disciples and not gentiles.
It is far to easy to forget that Jesus was not speaking to gentiles,but often to Jews about the law."
"Please be careful as Matthew 19 1-12 is within the context of marriage and divorce. The Pharisees first question was if it was OK to divorce for any reason. Jesus reminds them that God made them male and female,the two would be united in one flesh,and what God has joined together let no man put asunder. The Pharisees then asks Jesus why did Moses give the condition that a man could write a certificate of divorce and send her away. Jesus tells them it was permitted for their hard hearts. Jesus then goes on to tell them that except for sexual immorality that if one remarries they committed adultery and they cause the other to commit adultery also.
Why didn't Jesus tell them what sexual immorality is? The Pharisees already knew what it was within the context of the Mosaic law. There was no need to repeat that which they already knew. They knew what the law said and the consequences that were to be meted out under the Mosaic law.
Next the disciples then comment on that exchange
10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
So why did they say that? Because in one fell swoop Jesus removes any and all other "causes" that could be made for divorce but one. It is after this that Jesus talks about eunuchs.
11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
Within the context,Jesus is speaking to Jews living under the Mosaic law,it can only mean one thing and that's celibacy. One should remember that Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees and the disciples and not gentiles.
It is far to easy to forget that Jesus was not speaking to gentiles,but often to Jews about the law."
Shawn
And take it even further then that,seek God's face on this,and then when you get something confirm it,and reconfirm it,again and again on this. Take heed on what other Christians are saying about your dream.
Many of them are far wiser then I am,and some do have the gift of discernment. It is so easy for us to see something that we think it's from God,because it's what we want and not what we need.
And take it even further then that,seek God's face on this,and then when you get something confirm it,and reconfirm it,again and again on this. Take heed on what other Christians are saying about your dream.
Many of them are far wiser then I am,and some do have the gift of discernment. It is so easy for us to see something that we think it's from God,because it's what we want and not what we need.
I would suggest being very careful there,Jesus Himself is very clear there are birth defects that can cause one to be a eunuch. And if they could be see from the outside then what makes one so sure that all of them can be seen only from the outside? How many other genetic defects can only be caught by the outward symptoms?
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God will no more send me to hell for being intersex of Transgender than he would for me being Bi Polar, Schizophrenic or having Downs Syndrome.
I have come to a personal peace to realize that people are truly born the way they are. I did not ask to be intersex or transgender, and I have spent many months asking God to take it away because I thought it was evil, then I started meeting other Christians who were just like me, and they had only desires to serve the Lord and none other. They had to transition or deal with thier intersex condition, or commit suicide.
There are also so many Gay and Lesbian and Bisexual people committing suicide,being killed, beaten and raped and abused just because they are attracted to the same sex, They did not choose to be attracted to the same sex, anymore than a straight person chose to be attracted to the opposite sex.
I have come to a personal peace to realize that people are truly born the way they are. I did not ask to be intersex or transgender, and I have spent many months asking God to take it away because I thought it was evil, then I started meeting other Christians who were just like me, and they had only desires to serve the Lord and none other. They had to transition or deal with thier intersex condition, or commit suicide.
There are also so many Gay and Lesbian and Bisexual people committing suicide,being killed, beaten and raped and abused just because they are attracted to the same sex, They did not choose to be attracted to the same sex, anymore than a straight person chose to be attracted to the opposite sex.
A
Temptation is not a sin unless you yield to it, no matter whether one struggles with intersex bi polar downs homosexual sex hetro sex fornication etc. etc. What condition i or any believers are given, Mine is that God has not favored me with a wife of which i have since 12 desires and desired and prayed fasted cried and felt bitter that it was not His will to have a family and a wife, i do not desire to fornicate which is pleasures that are not of Agape divine love, only one help mate is what i have always wanted but His answer was No, so i am given a gift to find the holy spirit's self-control deny myself take my cross and follow Him. Being persecuted because you have a condition why would anyone let it be known of these inordinate affections where one tossed this personal potential pearl before swine do not yield to cross this boundary that the Lord allowed you to have so that you could be a special class of overcomer to choose Divine Holy Agape Love instead of yielding to temptations of the flesh, Do not yield to them for the consequences of others fear will not produce the spiritual fruit of Agape to you. For there is NO FEAR in Agape love for perfect Agape divine Love casts out ALL FEAR, for fear only torments and God has saved us that we are not tormented.
RUBBISH.
believe what the scriptures say.
this threat the GLBTIABCFMBGYTP agenda is forcing on us is another guilt-PC-driven device to SILENCE God. i don't mean you personally. i think you're a victim of it.
this is degradation of sexuality WEAPONIZED...it's a delibrate attack on the established ORDER - LOGOS.
"They had to transition or deal with thier intersex condition"
how about this:
"They had to.....deal with thier......condition" < just like i couldn't keep listening to psychologists and AA tell me alcoholism was something i was born with and it wasn't my fault.
maybe the tendency to black-out drunks was genetic. and maybe it wasn't my fault an uncle gave me a drink at 9 or that my Sugar-Pops started the addiction to sugar.
but it is my responsibility to smarten up and get sober, and realize i SHOULDN'T DRINK.
just like GLBTI + whatever comes next need to smarten up and realize they shouldn't mess around with stuff God doesn't like.
stop blaming suicide on others < wicked device to guilt us into being quiet.
get help.
sigh.
attracted or not - DON'T DO IT.
or don't say you believe the Bible.
repent and confess.
leave it behind...move away.
it's NOT ok.
read what it says.
you're just like the rest of us...a sinner who needs to align yourself as best you can with what God said...not create a goddess idol god who says she'll turn you into a woman (lesbian).....come on! you're running with the wrong crowd.
believe what the scriptures say.
this threat the GLBTIABCFMBGYTP agenda is forcing on us is another guilt-PC-driven device to SILENCE God. i don't mean you personally. i think you're a victim of it.
this is degradation of sexuality WEAPONIZED...it's a delibrate attack on the established ORDER - LOGOS.
"They had to transition or deal with thier intersex condition"
how about this:
"They had to.....deal with thier......condition" < just like i couldn't keep listening to psychologists and AA tell me alcoholism was something i was born with and it wasn't my fault.
maybe the tendency to black-out drunks was genetic. and maybe it wasn't my fault an uncle gave me a drink at 9 or that my Sugar-Pops started the addiction to sugar.
but it is my responsibility to smarten up and get sober, and realize i SHOULDN'T DRINK.
just like GLBTI + whatever comes next need to smarten up and realize they shouldn't mess around with stuff God doesn't like.
stop blaming suicide on others < wicked device to guilt us into being quiet.
get help.
sigh.
attracted or not - DON'T DO IT.
or don't say you believe the Bible.
repent and confess.
leave it behind...move away.
it's NOT ok.
read what it says.
you're just like the rest of us...a sinner who needs to align yourself as best you can with what God said...not create a goddess idol god who says she'll turn you into a woman (lesbian).....come on! you're running with the wrong crowd.
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A person who is Bi polar or schizophrenic (I happen to also be Bi Polar)
takes medicine to treat the symptoms of the condition.
Hormones are the medicine transgender people need to treat a condition.
God is not going to punish me for changing my endocrine system. Now again you dismissed this woman on you tube who has complete AIS, and you still think they are a male? Take a look again please.
MY ANDROGEN INSENSITIVITY SYNDROME STORY
MY ANDROGEN INSENSITIVITY SYNDROME STORY - YouTube
Zone, you would feel just like she or I feel being in our situation. I know I have to be accountable to God and I am a sinner and have already been saved. But to live with a mixed body that is male and female, for me is causing me much pain now and I am going to do what i can to make it better.
Not every condition has a perfect solution, but we do our best.
takes medicine to treat the symptoms of the condition.
Hormones are the medicine transgender people need to treat a condition.
God is not going to punish me for changing my endocrine system. Now again you dismissed this woman on you tube who has complete AIS, and you still think they are a male? Take a look again please.
MY ANDROGEN INSENSITIVITY SYNDROME STORY
MY ANDROGEN INSENSITIVITY SYNDROME STORY - YouTube
Zone, you would feel just like she or I feel being in our situation. I know I have to be accountable to God and I am a sinner and have already been saved. But to live with a mixed body that is male and female, for me is causing me much pain now and I am going to do what i can to make it better.
Not every condition has a perfect solution, but we do our best.
Strickalator....i'm not going to go into it in detail here.
i posted on the mercury poisoning i suffered for years.
i posted on the sugar addictions we were all subjected to as kids.
what i have not posted on is the evil DSM and system
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
i went through the psychiatric meat-grinder...and i came out the other end.
guess what?
ALL LIES. all for NOTHING. a big fat waste of time when i could have been healed by Jesus!
they are looking for ways to make sense of SIN.
just trying to find something to call it.
Christ will renew your mind.
nothing else will.
i'll posts some quotes from the psychiatric oligarchy and you can decide for yourself if you want to place yourself in the hands of those ppl.
later today, God willing.
i'm not anti-medication, nor anti-medical treatment.
i am against believing their conclusions about THE PROBLEM.
i posted on the mercury poisoning i suffered for years.
i posted on the sugar addictions we were all subjected to as kids.
what i have not posted on is the evil DSM and system
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
i went through the psychiatric meat-grinder...and i came out the other end.
guess what?
ALL LIES. all for NOTHING. a big fat waste of time when i could have been healed by Jesus!
they are looking for ways to make sense of SIN.
just trying to find something to call it.
Christ will renew your mind.
nothing else will.
i'll posts some quotes from the psychiatric oligarchy and you can decide for yourself if you want to place yourself in the hands of those ppl.
later today, God willing.
i'm not anti-medication, nor anti-medical treatment.
i am against believing their conclusions about THE PROBLEM.
S
Please do yourself a favor zone, try to find a balance between the crap that has happened to you (and I am trully sorry for that, I have been through hell myself for alot of things) and what other people are going through. There is not some large conspiracy to turn people into intersex folks or transgender or any other thing.
Here is some more: please don't dismiss this outright, just watch it and consider.
The Gender Puzzle
The Gender Puzzle - YouTube
Here is some more: please don't dismiss this outright, just watch it and consider.
The Gender Puzzle
The Gender Puzzle - YouTube
okay.
i won't validate your "cr*p" and i don't need you to validate mine.
your real desire is clear. i've been around the block a million times, heard it all.
what EVERY person is going through is because of SIN and the CURSE on the earth.
Gender Puzzle?? oh purleeze. man...woman...two. period.
bestiality nuts have a whole system to support their stuff too.
conversation over.
but i'll still post on statements by the DSM people...and OTHERS can decide if this is what they really want.
i won't validate your "cr*p" and i don't need you to validate mine.
your real desire is clear. i've been around the block a million times, heard it all.
what EVERY person is going through is because of SIN and the CURSE on the earth.
Gender Puzzle?? oh purleeze. man...woman...two. period.
bestiality nuts have a whole system to support their stuff too.
conversation over.
but i'll still post on statements by the DSM people...and OTHERS can decide if this is what they really want.
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Any time we read something in the Bible we have to take it in the context,who was speaking and to whom they were speaking. Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees and the disciples about marriage. They knew the Mosaic law,so when Jesus was speaking of eunuchs it was not about gays and lesbians. Jesus didn't have to explain it to them for they knew the law.
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yes and we should follow Jesus example and remember who we are speaking to and how they are using or misusing scripture to justify their own sinful lusts, instead of ignoring the conversation in the favor of idle philosophical discussion.
would you care to explain clearly what an eunuch is and how eunuchs differ from lesbians and gays?
would you care to explain clearly what an eunuch is and how eunuchs differ from lesbians and gays?
This is the best explanation of what natural eunuch is
(Gill's Exposition of the bible)
Some men are eunuchs, and of these there are different sorts; there are some,
which were so born from their mother's womb; meaning, not such who, through a natural temper and inclination of mind, could easily abstain from marriage, and chose to live single; but such who had such defects in nature that they were impotent, unfit for, and unable to perform the duties of a marriage state; who, as some are born without hands or feet, these were born without proper and perfect organs of generation; and such an one was, by the Jews, frequently called, , "an eunuch of the sun
": that is, as their doctors (o) explain it, one that from his mother's womb never saw the sun but as an eunuch; that is, one that is born so; and that such an one is here intended, ought not to be doubted. The signs of such an eunuch, are given by the Jewish (p) writers, which may be consulted by those, that have ability and leisure. This sort is sometimes (q) called "an eunuch by the hands of heaven", or God, in distinction from those who are so by the hands, or means of men, and are next mentioned:
or in others words they areunable to perform the duties of the physical act in marriage.
Not so in the case of gays and lesbians,they are able to preform the act.
(Gill's Exposition of the bible)
Some men are eunuchs, and of these there are different sorts; there are some,
which were so born from their mother's womb; meaning, not such who, through a natural temper and inclination of mind, could easily abstain from marriage, and chose to live single; but such who had such defects in nature that they were impotent, unfit for, and unable to perform the duties of a marriage state; who, as some are born without hands or feet, these were born without proper and perfect organs of generation; and such an one was, by the Jews, frequently called, , "an eunuch of the sun
": that is, as their doctors (o) explain it, one that from his mother's womb never saw the sun but as an eunuch; that is, one that is born so; and that such an one is here intended, ought not to be doubted. The signs of such an eunuch, are given by the Jewish (p) writers, which may be consulted by those, that have ability and leisure. This sort is sometimes (q) called "an eunuch by the hands of heaven", or God, in distinction from those who are so by the hands, or means of men, and are next mentioned:or in others words they areunable to perform the duties of the physical act in marriage.
Not so in the case of gays and lesbians,they are able to preform the act.
In our world we have many babies who are born with a birth defect. When we say that a person is sinful and bad because of the defect, it is not how God would want us to react. God would also not want us to look on a defect and call it normal, as we sometimes do with our TV stars. When we call something with a defect normal and right, it is not the truth.
I sounds to me as if you are using truth to cope with your defect, you are following the truth of God, also. Part of this truth is blessings God promises us. You are stepping right up and claiming them. More power to you.
I sounds to me as if you are using truth to cope with your defect, you are following the truth of God, also. Part of this truth is blessings God promises us. You are stepping right up and claiming them. More power to you.
S
Some food for thought , here is a famous model, now I know the identity of the models gender, and I also know that they are not transgender OR intersex, and tell me who do you see here?
A man or a woman? Now they will tell you who they are, and how they were raised. You see we all have a perception of who we think someone is and who they actually are.
If your clever enough you can google and find out for yourself who this is , but for now I will let you decide.
A man or a woman? Now they will tell you who they are, and how they were raised. You see we all have a perception of who we think someone is and who they actually are.
If your clever enough you can google and find out for yourself who this is , but for now I will let you decide.