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Really? From the VERY moment a person gives their life to Christ they know EXACTLY how God wants them to live? Are you SURE about your claim?
Consider this which was spoke by Paul.....
1 Cor.3
[2] I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Heb.5
[12] For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
[13] For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
[14] But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
And now the words of Peter....
1 Peter 2
[2] As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
Even Paul and Peter tell us that learning God's ways is a learning and growing experience.
Giving your live to Christ and truly learning His ways is a growing process. One does NOT know how to serve God the moment they confess their sins. Just having faith in Jesus is a learning process. It does NOT happen automatically or over night. Let's read...
Rom.10
[13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
But is that it? Is that the only requirement for being saved? Let's read more....
[14] How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?
How are you going to call on Jesus name without first believing? And how do you get to the point of believing?
[14].....and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?
So before believing one must hear about Jesus. Is there more?
[14].....and how shall they hear without a preacher?
So someone has to first tell you about Jesus. Is there more?
[15] And how shall they preach, except they be sent?
So what you are told cannot come from just anyone...the truth must come from one that has been sent. Is there more?
[16] But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So once you have been given the word, by a preacher that has been sent by God, you must then believe and have faith in those words you have been given, and then you must then OBEY those words!
All of these steps are needed for salvation.
So again are you SURE about your claim that, "...a person, instinctively from the moment of conversion knows how God wants them to live..."?
Because that does NOT line up with scriptures!
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This is the covenant I will make with them after that time declares the Lord
I will put my laws in their hearts
And I will write them on their minds
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remenber no more
Heb 10:16&17
Eccl 12and13
Do you attend a Chrisitan church? If so, has your minister not expalined this to you?
This is the basis of the new covenant
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The Holy Spirit has written them on our hearts and minds
And circumcision is circumcision of the heart by the Spirit, not by the written code
Rom 2:29
Because the Spirit has written the good and Holy laws of God on a persons heart and mind, this means that a person in their heart wants to obey God, therefore God does not hold their imperfections against them, Christ die for their imperfections/shortcomings. And because a Christian wants to live as God would have them live, they look to Christ and trust him to achieve in them through the sanctification of the Spirit what they cannot do in themselves.
For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh
Phil 3:3
I repeat. This is the basics of the Christian faith. Do you attend a Christian church, and if so has your minster not explained this to you?i
And circumcision is circumcision of the heart by the Spirit, not by the written code
Rom 2:29
Because the Spirit has written the good and Holy laws of God on a persons heart and mind, this means that a person in their heart wants to obey God, therefore God does not hold their imperfections against them, Christ die for their imperfections/shortcomings. And because a Christian wants to live as God would have them live, they look to Christ and trust him to achieve in them through the sanctification of the Spirit what they cannot do in themselves.
For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh
Phil 3:3
I repeat. This is the basics of the Christian faith. Do you attend a Christian church, and if so has your minster not explained this to you?i
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Gen.18
[26] And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
Then WHO was Abraham trying to find, if not those that were keeping God's laws?
Tell me....what is the difference between those that are righteous and those that are unrighteous?
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[26] And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
Then WHO was Abraham trying to find, if not those that were keeping God's laws?
Tell me....what is the difference between those that are righteous and those that are unrighteous?
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Unless they were conversing directly with God at the time of Abraham, they wouldn't know what God's Laws were.
And Abraham wasn't trying to find them....
Ahhh.... BRILLIANT Question!!
The one and only difference between those that are righteous and those that are unrighteous is...
Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Wait, are you saying that conversion makes people immediately know right from wrong in every situations by direct providence and thus will have no further need to study Gods Law or seek his ways?
What you're proposing doesn't mesh well with reality or scripture... What you're saying sounds a lot more like 'every man doing what is right in their own eyes' than 'one in whom the righteousness of the law is revealed'.
But I will try to re-hash it more concisely.
First off, what Law's do you think the Holy spirit writes on the heart of his Faithfull? Is there some other law you think is written? Some strange law that no one but they know?
Heaven forbid...
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
The old covenant was broken, a new one written, but there is only one Law. The law that the Spirit of God places on ones inward parts is the same law that was on ink and paper, received differently. It is not against us, convicting us, because we are new and forgiven, it is part of us edifying us that we may know how to walk closer to God.
But lets use your own words to help you understand, you had said "their job is to look to Christ and trust him"
So what did he say on the matter?
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
If you love Him, keep His commandments. Who is He? He is God. What commands did God give?
And there we have it.
Understand that one of the biggest things Jesus wants you to do, is keep his commands and teach others to keep them. He didn't come to tear down His own Law, but fully preach and establish it, that is what fulfil means in that chapter.
What you're proposing doesn't mesh well with reality or scripture... What you're saying sounds a lot more like 'every man doing what is right in their own eyes' than 'one in whom the righteousness of the law is revealed'.
But I will try to re-hash it more concisely.
First off, what Law's do you think the Holy spirit writes on the heart of his Faithfull? Is there some other law you think is written? Some strange law that no one but they know?
Heaven forbid...
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
The old covenant was broken, a new one written, but there is only one Law. The law that the Spirit of God places on ones inward parts is the same law that was on ink and paper, received differently. It is not against us, convicting us, because we are new and forgiven, it is part of us edifying us that we may know how to walk closer to God.
But lets use your own words to help you understand, you had said "their job is to look to Christ and trust him"
So what did he say on the matter?
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
If you love Him, keep His commandments. Who is He? He is God. What commands did God give?
And there we have it.
Understand that one of the biggest things Jesus wants you to do, is keep his commands and teach others to keep them. He didn't come to tear down His own Law, but fully preach and establish it, that is what fulfil means in that chapter.