What's Wrong with Meeting People in Church or Through Family?

[Tintin]

Double-Predestination? What is that?

 

[progressivenerdgirl]

Double-Predestination? What is that?

God chooses whom to save and whom to damn from all eternity.

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

Predestination....YEAH!

That's all i have to add. Thank you.

 

[Liamson]

I'm looking for the Parable of the Predestined prodigal son. Or maybe its the good yet eternally Reprobate Samaritan.

When Jesus was saddened at the Rich Young ruler, it was because He deliberately did not activate His "Inward Calling" powers upon the Young Man.

Or there must have been some Pre ordained causality when Jesus meets the Centurion, and He is in fact not astonished at the Centurions faith but Rather Marveling at His own powers of imbuing Faith within individuals.

 

[progressivenerdgirl]

Mock me all you want, but refrain from trivializing the Christ.

 

[meggars]

You don't have to live at home (though there's nothing wrong with that, I don't) but that does not mean you are not under his authority. The father is king, priest and prophet for his family; and his authority does not expire with a label. Though it can be, of course, transferred.

meh, agree to disagree....well...i mean YOU don't have to, though i will. i guess i can't stop you from continuing to try to convince me. lol

 

[progressivenerdgirl]

meh, agree to disagree....well...i mean YOU don't have to, though i will. i guess i can't stop you from continuing to try to convince me. lol

It's not me you need to listen to. The marriage is patterned on the relationship between Christ and his Church. Are you denying that Christ is Priest, King and Prophet? Of course you don't.

Modern convention and habits are no excuse. Liberalism is heresy.

 

[Stuey]

It's not me you need to listen to. The marriage is patterned on the relationship between Christ and his Church. Are you denying that Christ is Priest, King and Prophet? Of course you don't.

Modern convention and habits are no excuse. Liberalism is heresy.

Words without love are meaningless.... if you want to convince people you need to phrase it in a way that doesn't offend them. Much.

 

[progressivenerdgirl]

Words without love are meaningless.... if you want to convince people you need to phrase it in a way that doesn't offend them. Much.

Some things are best put bluntly. The hypersensitivity encouraged by your typical modern pussyfooting is sickening. This is why barbarians conquer civilized peoples.

 

[Liamson]

It's not me you need to listen to. The marriage is patterned on the relationship between Christ and his Church. Are you denying that Christ is Priest, King and Prophet? Of course you don't.

Modern convention and habits are no excuse. Liberalism is heresy.

"Are you denying that Christ is Priest, King and Prophet? Of course you don't."
This is not an example of how Christ's Relationship with the Church is like a marriage. No one is going disagree with you that Christ is not King, Priest, Prophet, Lord, Savior, Son of God, etc. But it doesn't have anything to do with how being 32 and independent is wrong.



"Modern Convention and Habits are no excuse. Liberalism is Heresy"

 

[Stuey]

So... you are suggesting that if.

You walk in here? Tell us all that we are heretics and have the bible wrong?

Despite the fact that many of us have been Christians for years?

Despite the fact that some of us have been Christians for decades?

Despite the fact that we too have the holy spirit?

We are then going to instantly believe you and recognise the errors of our way?



To think that your Church alone has the answers is quite arrogant. EVERY church has things wrong. Especially since you do not have a firm understanding what other church's believes or why. No church has it right.

I would also ask you the question - your church was formed in maybe the 1600's? Do you think that after 1500 years of Christianity your church suddenly got it all right? That all the Christians in the previous 1500 years had it wrong? And do you think that all the other reformed churches have it all wrong? We too have the spirit.

I'm honestly a little concerned by your church - particularly the part where you said we are under law. I posted a small bible quote in response to that directly stating that we are not under law. To use your most eloquent phrasing it doesn't get any plainer than that.

 

[progressivenerdgirl]

Heh. Well, see, you're saying so many things I don't agree with that it's clear we have a premise mismatch to begin with. The Reformed Church was not formed in the 1600s. The Reformed Church was formed when Christ died.

 

[Liamson]

Heh. Well, see, you're saying so many things I don't agree with that it's clear we have a premise mismatch to begin with. The Reformed Church was not formed in the 1600s. The Reformed Church was formed when Christ died.

I guess one could say it was "RE - formed" after Christ died.

 

[Stuey]

Do you think that after 1500 years of Christianity your church suddenly got it all right? That all the Christians in the previous 1500 years had it wrong? And do you think that all the other reformed churches have it all wrong? We too have the spirit.

Yes... the true Church was formed when Christ died, it went a bit skewy at points though... Thus the reformation. but let me ask you.

Where throughout history have church's claimed we are under law as your church suggests.

We are not under law but grace.

Galatians

19Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.20Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one.21Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law.22But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.24Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.27


Romans

13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Slaves to Righteousness

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?



There is a second bible verse directly stating that we are not under law. Please... explain to me how these verses

One thing someone said to me once - he was telling me things I disagreed with lol. You need to read the bible for what it says. Not read it with the film of Armineism or the film of calvinism or the film of puritanism.

Read the bible for yourself.

 

[Delejayn]

Delejayn, while recognizing that man books in the Scripture are different genres, there is plenty in the Bible that is literal and direct commands. Romans is not ambiguous as regards the silence of women or the double-Predestination of Christ's people and sinners; no matter how much the liberals like to push it around.

Sis I get clarity from God about the confusing things of the word. If you take everything in the Bible in its literal sense then it becomes a contradiction when discussing numerous subjects. That aside what does Pslams 100 teach us. Do we ignore 1 Corinthians 11:5. We have to be ever so careful about picking and choosing what we take literal in the Bible.

 

[meggars]

It's not me you need to listen to. The marriage is patterned on the relationship between Christ and his Church. Are you denying that Christ is Priest, King and Prophet? Of course you don't..

well, to be clear, my comments weren't about marriage at all. they were regarding whether or not my dad is the boss of me, a 32 year old woman who has lived on her own for 14 years now.

 

[Tintin]

Yes, dads are created to be head of the house and the spiritual leader but I think that saying he's king is taking it too far. Not every allusion to Christ can be attributed to his people. Also, not every part of the Patriarchal movement is biblically sound.

 

[meggars]

Yes, dads are created to be head of the house and the spiritual leader but I think that saying he's king is taking it too far. Not every allusion to Christ can be attributed to his people. Also, not every part of the Patriarchal movement is biblically sound.

true story. and perhaps another important distinction is that he is created to be the head of HIS household. Not mine. I'm all for following house rules if i were to live under his roof, but i don't. so while i'm cool with honoring my parents in general, the buck doesn't stop there anymore.

 

[Tintin]

Yes, HIS household. Also, women aren't cattle, they aren't their dad's property. Daughters are a blessing from God to their dad (and mum). Also, this idea of having a marriage dowry is out-dated, not just because we live in different times and the Truth is irrelevant (we do and it's not - God's Truth is Absolute) but because many women in society work and provide for themselves and their families. The dowry was a concept used in the days when women didn't have rights and most didn't have paid jobs. That's not the norm any more (except, sadly, in the poorer countries).

 

[JGPS]

Is it Rational to expect supernatural intervention on my behalf?

Cutting to the chase, yes, if you have been informed to expect it. If you're following a pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night it's perfectly reasonable to expect that if it leads you to an obstacle that obstetrical may be overcome by supernatural means.

If you know this happened:

And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the land of Egypt for the locusts, that they may come up upon the land of Egypt, and eat every herb of the land, even all that the hail hath left.

Then it reasonably follows that this will happen

And Moses stretched forth his rod over the land of Egypt, and the LORD brought an east wind upon the land all that day, and all that night; and when it was morning, the east wind brought the locusts.

Even if no other natural causation indicates it will. Gods power is higher than any other, it is entirely reasonable to expect his will to be done no mater what any other power or force may dictate.

The same applies to resurrection, or any other modern day miracles you can reasonably expect.