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iog

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What good is your weapon against these guys

Judges 9:23 (KJV)
Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

The Lord will send a evil spirit and the spirit will be a man or woman and he will accomplish what The Lord sent him to do

How are you protected against such a thing?
 

iog

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What are you doing satan

Job 1:7 (KJV)
And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord , and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.


What about my servant Job

Job 1:8 (KJV)
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
 

superdave5221

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thanks for the response Mark. it reminds me that this site should be about preaching plainly the Gospel of Grace and not debating with those who would condemn people for having guns when God plainly does not.

I find it legalistic and false and offensive to place man made laws and traditions about weapons by twisting scriptures to condemn people who use guns,

when God does not forbid them. He forbids soldiers from falsely accusing people and taking bribes.

He did not tell them to give up their weapons or not defend people and we are all called to be soldiers for Christ.

Our weapons most often are NOT guns but the whole idea against weapons at all is a false man made guilt trip.
Yes. Yes. Yes.

It is tragic that down through history people have exploited the bible in unnatural ways in order to promote their own agendas. This has given a black eye to Christianity that is totally undeserved and has in many cases damaged the spread of the gospel.

The promoters of this thread undoubtably are using a search engine to bring up scripture after scripture to post without having any idea of the context of those scriptures within the redemptive plan of God. Many of the postings have nothing to do with the discussion but are only random ramblings that you would expect of someone who is self righteous but is ignorant of the ways of God.

I have tried to simplify the argument by showing that there were lawful ways to kill in the O.T. and have asked for Scriptural proof that the Moral Law has changed under the N.T. Questions to this effect have been ignored and instead we have been innundated with more random Scriptures that have nothing to do with the debate.

I think it is safe to say that there are some blind people who are sure that blue is the correct color, even though they have never seen it.
 

PS

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Yes. Yes. Yes.

It is tragic that down through history people have exploited the bible in unnatural ways in order to promote their own agendas. This has given a black eye to Christianity that is totally undeserved and has in many cases damaged the spread of the gospel.

The promoters of this thread undoubtably are using a search engine to bring up scripture after scripture to post without having any idea of the context of those scriptures within the redemptive plan of God. Many of the postings have nothing to do with the discussion but are only random ramblings that you would expect of someone who is self righteous but is ignorant of the ways of God.

I have tried to simplify the argument by showing that there were lawful ways to kill in the O.T. and have asked for Scriptural proof that the Moral Law has changed under the N.T. Questions to this effect have been ignored and instead we have been innundated with more random Scriptures that have nothing to do with the debate.

I think it is safe to say that there are some blind people who are sure that blue is the correct color, even though they have never seen it.
What do you mean. I have shown you and explained patiently. I have shown you that God's law says not to kill, I have shown you that the Jews had their own law that included killing, I have shown you that they worshipped false gods who they called 'Lord.' You should know perfectly well that God said for us not to take vengeance, you know that Jesus said to harm no-one and in Matthew five Jesus says we shouldn't even insult people by calling them 'fool.' I spent ages explaining to you and you have totally ignored everything I said and I feel like you have insulted me by virtually trampling underfoot everything I have said. I am disgusted with you!
 
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BarlyGurl

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What do you mean. I have shown you and explained patiently. I have shown you that God's law says not to kill, I have shown you that the Jews had their own law that included killing, I have shown you that they worshipped false gods who they called 'Lord.' You should know perfectly well that God said for us not to take vengeance, you know that Jesus said to harm no-one and in Matthew five Jesus says we shouldn't even insult people by calling them 'fool.' I spent ages explaining to you and you have totally ignored everything I said and I feel like you have insulted me by virtually trampling underfoot everything I have said. I am disgusted with you!
Gosh.. That's probably EXACTLY how God feels when someone misrepresents HIS word... ya think?
 

zone

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the whole idea against weapons at all is a false man made guilt trip.
true.
this "guilt trip" has taken a new turn though.
racheting it up because it's nearly time.

the guilt-trippers have had no qualms about using american arms to do the imperial conquering for them this century though...and will continue to rely on same - for a little longer (even though americans are broke - that's helpful as well).

then their private ORG the UN will say here! here! now is the time.




OH... speaking of the UN....
look over this document from West Point.
at first glance it seems reasonable.

but read r-e-e-e-e-a-a-a-a-l carefully.


The Landscape of the American Violent Far Right
There are three major ideological movements within the American violent far right: a
racist/white supremacy movement, an anti-federalist movement and a fundamentalist 4
movement. The ideological characteristics of the different movements affect their
operations in terms of tactics used, targets selected, and operations conducted.
The racist movement is comprised of white supremacy groups such as the KKK,
neoNazi groups such as the National Alliance and Skinheads groups such as the
Hammerskin Nation.

The groups comprising this movement are interested in preserving or restoring
what they perceive as the appropriate and natural racial and cultural hierarchy, by
enforcing social and political control over non-Aryans/nonwhites such as African
Americans, Jews, and various immigrant communities. Therefore, their ideological
foundations are based mainly on ideas of racism, segregation, xenophobia, and
nativism (rejection of foreign norms and practices). In line with the movement’s
ideology, the great majority of attacks perpetrated by the racist groups are aimed
against individuals or groups affiliated with a specific minority ethnic group, or
identifiable facilities (mosques, synagogues, or schools affiliated with minority
communities). However, while the KKK extremists are heavily involved in acts of
vandalism, extremists from Skinheads and Neo-Nazi groups are more likely to engage
in attacks against people, including mass casualty attacks Violence derived from the modern
anti-federalist movement appeared in full force only in the early to mid-1990s and
is interested in undermining the influence, legitimacy and
effective sovereignty of the federal government and its proxy organizations.

The antifederalist rationale is multifaceted, and includes the beliefs that the American political
system and its proxies were hijacked by external forces interested in promoting a “New
World Order” (NWO) in which the United States will be absorbed into the United
Nations or another version of global government. They also espouse strong convictions
regarding the federal government, believing it to be corrupt and tyrannical, with a
natural tendency to intrude on individuals’ civil and constitutional rights. Finally, they
support civil activism, individual freedoms, and self government. Extremists in the
antifederalist movement direct most their violence against the federal
government and its proxies in law enforcement.

Lastly, the fundamentalist stream, which includes mainly Christian Identity groups
such as the Aryan Nations, fuse religious fundamentalism with traditional white
supremacy and racial tendencies, thus promoting ideas of nativism, exclusionism, and
racial superiority through a unique interpretation of religious texts that focuses on
division of humanity according to primordial attributes. More specifically, these groups
maintain that a correct interpretation of the holy texts reveals that it is not the people of
Israel but the Anglo-Saxons who are the chosen people and therefore assert their
natural superior status. Moreover, the war between the forces of light and darkness, as
portrayed in the Bible, will be (or has already been) manifested through a racial war
between the white Anglo-Saxon nation and various non-Anglo-Saxon ethnic groups.
Operationally, violence carried out by extremists associated with Identity groups
focuses on minorities and Identity members have a higher tendency to engage in mass
casualty attacks in comparison to other movements.

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ChallengersFromtheSidelines.pdf < click


do we know who drafted this; and what it is really saying?:)
zone





now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party
now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party
now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party
now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party

[communism is just a cover for something else - something for some reason we haven't even noticed:) we support it]
 
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psychomom

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well, maybe there is something to your proposition, ol chap.

civilized ppl such as yourselves just spy on each other.
and agree to be spied on.

ya that works.

...............

Britain: the most spied on nation in the world



A stark warning that Britain is turning into a Big Brother society, where the lives of millions are routinely monitored and tracked from cradle to grave, is given today by the Government's privacy watchdog.

Richard Thomas, the Information Commissioner, says more and more personal data is being collected and stored on all of us, both by the state and big business.

A study commissioned by his office concludes that within 10 years, surveillance will be all-pervasive, spurred on by Government claims that it is needed to fight terrorism.

"The combination of CCTV, biometrics, databases and tracking technologies can be seen as part of a much broader exploration, often funded with support from the US/UK 'war on terror', of the use of interconnected 'smart' systems to track movements and behaviours of millions of people in both time and space," the report says

Britain: the most spied on nation in the world - Telegraph < click


CCTV boom has failed to slash crime, say police

Massive investment in CCTV cameras to prevent crime in the UK has failed to have a significant impact, despite billions of pounds spent on the new technology, a senior police officer piloting a new database has warned. Only 3% of street robberies in London were solved using CCTV images, despite the fact that Britain has more security cameras than any other country in Europe.

CCTV boom has failed to slash crime, say police | UK news | The Guardian < click




how's that peace and security workin' out for ya?
Golly, what I underlined there...

could it be that wasn't even the reason the cameras were installed?!? :rolleyes:

is it possible the intent was spying on the citizens?
and (further) prepping all of us for 1984?

However did George know, when he penned that book, all that was to come to pass?
Seriously...did he have some insight from a real place, do you know?
Or was he just paying closer attention? :)

Jeremiah 6:14; 8:11.
 
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psychomom

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Here in the 'States, we're getting used to Newspeak,
but I think we should be practicing our Mandarin...:rolleyes:
 
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"iog" believes no evil befalls the people of God.
"iog" is a spiritual idiot. - (I mean that in the kindest terms "iog", hope my bluntness doesn't cost you your $8 an hour job.)
I'm just saying I think your handler's could have sent someone more familiar with the Bible to proselytize for their new world order one world government ideology.
Saying - "no evil happens to believers in God or Jesus Christ except that which is 'ordained' from God" is truly stupid.
You should be ashamed of your lack of knowledge. - (I am ashamed for both it, and you)
 

iog

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Cuz Satan never approaches servants of God?!?
Unfortunately you are wrong

He approached Job at the Lords request go back and read the story

And why would satan approach the wicked? Try already serve him
 

iog

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"iog" believes no evil befalls the people of God.
"iog" is a spiritual idiot. - (I mean that in the kindest terms "iog", hope my bluntness doesn't cost you your $8 an hour job.)
I'm just saying I think your handler's could have sent someone more familiar with the Bible to proselytize for their new world order one world government ideology.
Saying - "no evil happens to believers in God or Jesus Christ except that which is 'ordained' from God" is truly stupid.
You should be ashamed of your lack of knowledge. - (I am ashamed for both it, and you)
I am who I am

And If you understood the words of God that I put then you have understood the operations of God hands but coming from you who 99% of your post here has no word of God in them you complimented me.

I understand you very well Rick
You are a talker and that is it!
 

iog

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2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (KJV)
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. [14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. [15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Satan as light is death
 

iog

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When did 'iog' make such a claim?


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I never did

This guy Rick is a talker, he is very opinionated and always says a lot of nothing concerning the word of God

I can barely get a bible verses from his but every forum has a Rick on it
 

iog

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Of he had his way he would shoot person for by believing in his theories

Actually he is thy type of Christians I fear

Jesus warns us about people like him

Matthew 24:4-5 (KJV)
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. [5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

He is one of many deceiving many on the topic of weapons

Jesus did not carry a weapon
John the Baptist
Moses
Job
Daniel
Paul
 

iog

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Stephen why weren't you packing

Acts 6:5 (KJV)
And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:

Acts 7:57-60 (KJV)
Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, [58] And cast him out of the city, and stoned him : and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul. [59] And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God , and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. [60] And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
 

iog

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Who is satan looking for ?

The righteous or the wicked

1 Peter 5:8 (KJV)
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Hint Rick

The wicked alread belongs to him

So that leaves one answer Rick
 

iog

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Do you packing people humble yourselves and cast ALL your cares upon God

1 Peter 5:6-7 (KJV)
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: [7] Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

Naw

You cares is in your weapon of death