Biblical thinking on the age of the Earth

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ChristianGuy0

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Just something to think about the age of the earth and other really old things.

Sometimes you will see things that scientists or others claim are "billions of years old".

This might challenge your faith. That's a good thing, cos in my experience, when my faith is challenged, I end up "looking into it" and God's truth always comes out on top, even when it seemed like that might not be possible. On this issue of the age of the earth I've heard some great Biblical explanations and I thought I'd share them here.

The situation: Scientists say some things are billions of years old, Bible suggests these things are not nearly that old

Here's something to think about;

The Bible says that God made the first man, Adam, out of the dust of the earth.

Let's imagine for a moment that we built a time machine and went back in time, to the garden of Eden, and we arrived there 10 seconds after Adam was created.

As we see Adam, I might say, "That man is 10 seconds old".

And the other person might say, "No, he is not 10 seconds old. He is a full grown adult, he is 6 foot tall and he has hair on his chest. I am certain that he is at least 18 years old. We have observed that a human must start as a baby, become a toddler and finally become an adult.. Each of these processes take years. So he cannot be 10 seconds old, you are wrong by a factor of billions."

Despite the fact that the other person is totally correct in their reasoning, they are simply wrong in their conclusion. Despite the fact that they are correct about the aging process of humans, they are wrong in this instance because they were not including God in their equation. They are assuming that this human came about via natural causes only.

Adam at only a few days old:


People who do not believe in God approach every problem already assuming He doesn't exist (this makes sense, cos they don't believe in Him).

So they see Adam at 10 seconds old and automatically conclude "He is at least 18 years old". A Christian, however, looks at Adam and has extra knowledge that comes from the Bible: we know he was created in his full adult form by God.

So when people tell you that something is billions of years old, they are simply not counting the possibility that God created that something in it's mature form, like He did with Adam.

They might be correct in their reasoning, but the conclusion is still wrong. If God does not exist, it might take billions of years for certain events to happen- but we have extra knowledge from the Bible, so it comes down to whether or not you believe what the Bible says.


This is why when people ask you something like "Do you reaaaaaally believe that a man lived in the belly of a whale? Do you reaaaaally believe that a virgin conceived?" they are the wrong questions.

If a person believes that God exists, then it isn't a surprise to imagine that GOD (who has all power) can cause a miracle to happen. If God does not exist then miracles cannot happen.. But we believe He does exist, meaning miracles are not impossible at all.

Christian apologists with a lack of faith in God's word

Some Christian apologists think like this:
"If current human knowledge contradicts the Bible, we must not understand the Bible correctly."

I know it's easy to want to feel intellectual and it's hard sometimes to say that current human knowledge is wrong- naturally we don't want to appear stupid.

But we need to trust in our Father's word. I don't know if God used evolution to create mankind- but when I stand before Him on Judgement day I don't want to say "Lord, I read your word but when man made discoveries that contradicted your word, I decided that your word must be a metaphor."

I'd rather say "Lord, even though human knowledge said your word was wrong, I just took your word at face value and believed it anyway- cos I trusted you more than human knowledge."

And God might say, "Actually, you were wrong, Genesis was a metaphor for evolution." But that is preferable to me than God saying "You twisted My word to conform to human knowledge, I actually did create the world in 6 days just like My word said."
 
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Tintin

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But that is preferable to me than God saying "You twisted My word to conform to human knowledge, I actually did create the world in 6 days just like My word said."

I understand what you're saying but I believe evolution is the current misunderstanding being conformed to suite many people's beliefs about creation.
Here's my take:
"You twisted My word to conform to human knowledge (evolution), I actually did create the world in 6 days just like My word said."
 
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Just something to think about the age of the earth and other really old things.

Sometimes you will see things that scientists or others claim are "billions of years old".

This might challenge your faith. That's a good thing, cos in my experience, when my faith is challenged, I end up "looking into it" and God's truth always comes out on top, even when it seemed like that might not be possible. On this issue of the age of the earth I've heard some great Biblical explanations and I thought I'd share them here.

The situation: Scientists say some things are billions of years old, Bible suggests these things are not nearly that old

Here's something to think about;

The Bible says that God made the first man, Adam, out of the dust of the earth.

Let's imagine for a moment that we built a time machine and went back in time, to the garden of Eden, and we arrived there 10 seconds after Adam was created.

As we see Adam, I might say, "That man is 10 seconds old".

And the other person might say, "No, he is not 10 seconds old. He is a full grown adult, he is 6 foot tall and he has hair on his chest. I am certain that he is at least 18 years old. We have observed that a human must start as a baby, become a toddler and finally become an adult.. Each of these processes take years. So he cannot be 10 seconds old, you are wrong by a factor of billions."

Despite the fact that the other person is totally correct in their reasoning, they are simply wrong in their conclusion. Despite the fact that they are correct about the aging process of humans, they are wrong in this instance because they were not including God in their equation. They are assuming that this human came about via natural causes only.

Adam at only a few days old:


People who do not believe in God approach every problem already assuming He doesn't exist (this makes sense, cos they don't believe in Him).

So they see Adam at 10 seconds old and automatically conclude "He is at least 18 years old". A Christian, however, looks at Adam and has extra knowledge that comes from the Bible: we know he was created in his full adult form by God.

So when people tell you that something is billions of years old, they are simply not counting the possibility that God created that something in it's mature form, like He did with Adam.

They might be correct in their reasoning, but the conclusion is still wrong. If God does not exist, it might take billions of years for certain events to happen- but we have extra knowledge from the Bible, so it comes down to whether or not you believe what the Bible says.


This is why when people ask you something like "Do you reaaaaaally believe that a man lived in the belly of a whale? Do you reaaaaally believe that a virgin conceived?" they are the wrong questions.

If a person believes that God exists, then it isn't a surprise to imagine that GOD (who has all power) can cause a miracle to happen. If God does not exist then miracles cannot happen.. But we believe He does exist, meaning miracles are not impossible at all.

Christian apologists with a lack of faith in God's word

Some Christian apologists think like this:
"If current human knowledge contradicts the Bible, we must not understand the Bible correctly."

I know it's easy to want to feel intellectual and it's hard sometimes to say that current human knowledge is wrong- naturally we don't want to appear stupid.

But we need to trust in our Father's word. I don't know if God used evolution to create mankind- but when I stand before Him on Judgement day I don't want to say "Lord, I read your word but when man made discoveries that contradicted your word, I decided that your word must be a metaphor."

I'd rather say "Lord, even though human knowledge said your word was wrong, I just took your word at face value and believed it anyway- cos I trusted you more than human knowledge."

And God might say, "Actually, you were wrong, Genesis was a metaphor for evolution." But that is preferable to me than God saying "You twisted My word to conform to human knowledge, I actually did create the world in 6 days just like My word said."

A billions of years old earth and even older Universe should not be a road block for Christians...however, it is to outsiders looking into the faith when they see half believing in a 6K year old earth and the other half saying its billions of years old.

Personally, the evidence is decidedly in favor of an ancient earth, and the Bible agrees with this. The trouble some people get into is trying to sum-up the geneologies to arrive at a creation date - of which, was never its purpose.


 
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MarkayMrk777

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"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put
confidence in man."

- Psalm 118:8
 
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Tintin

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I've thought this through. I'm not the sort of Christian to just believe something because the Bible says and expect people to do likewise. I've critically thought this through and have come to the conclusion that the world is little more than 6,000 years old. Little wonder that evolutionary beliefs are so prevalent amongst Christians, when such things are taught as facts, from a very early age. But when you try to tie together human reasoning (in this case evolution) and revelation from God (the Bible and Holy Spirit), it just doesn't work. Why would God complicate things? Why would he do something to create more doubt in his followers? Our God isn't a trickster. He wouldn't use something that could be used to discredit his existence. Ultimately, it has to come down to faith in God and his Word.
 
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I've thought this through. I'm not the sort of Christian to just believe something because the Bible says and expect people to do likewise. I've critically thought this through and have come to the conclusion that the world is little more than 6,000 years old. Little wonder that evolutionary beliefs are so prevalent amongst Christians, when such things are taught as facts, from a very early age. But when you try to tie together human reasoning (in this case evolution) and revelation from God (the Bible and Holy Spirit), it just doesn't work. Why would God complicate things? Why would he do something to create more doubt in his followers? Our God isn't a trickster. He wouldn't use something that could be used to discredit his existence. Ultimately, it has to come down to faith in God and his Word.

Where is your evidence of this?
 

Agricola

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How long was Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden for? 1 year? 100 years? 1 billion years 10 billion years?
 
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"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."
2 Peter 3:8
 

Agricola

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"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."
2 Peter 3:8
That has no bearing on creation and is used to sit on the fence with evolution. I believe this verse is referring to how life here on earth is constrained to our dimension of time, but spiritual realm, ie Jesus and other spiritual beings can move about around our time and our not bound by our dimension of time.


I believe in calling a day a day as we know it, so yes God created earth etc in 144 hours. HOwever can we really pin down an exact length of time Adam and Eve were in Eden for? If Eden is perfect free of sin and nothing aged, then is it not possible they could have been in there for millions of years and only begining to age and keep count of age after they were ejected from Eden?

So again I say, how long were they in Eden for?
 
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Batman007

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That's actually a really good point about Adam, OP.

The problem is, though, that atheists don't believe there ever was an Adam. While that argument will work in favor of other Christians, arguing against an atheist that point will get you nowhere.
 
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ChristianGuy0

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That's actually a really good point about Adam, OP.

The problem is, though, that atheists don't believe there ever was an Adam. While that argument will work in favor of other Christians, arguing against an atheist that point will get you nowhere.
You're right, this isn't argument for someone who doesn't believe, it's just for Christians who think they have to change their view of the Bible based on worldly ideas and information. Sometimes things we discover in the world can help us understand the Bible better, however that isn't always the case and I just wanted to show any Christians who are thinking about this that there are possible solutions that don't involve turning Genesis into a metaphor.
 
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nathan3

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Some one saying to me, that the earth is millions upon millions of years old doesn't challenge me in the least bit. Because God created, the Earth first.

2nd, God's word teaches as much. That this earth is actually eons in age. That is what the scriptures state at least it makes sense to me... Evolution on the other hand is a lie, and should not be connected when talking about the age of the earth.

Scripture speaks for it's self and if we are familiar with God's Word. Then we are informed on what it states about the age of the earth.

One clue, is in the very first verse of Gen. It says In the beginning , God created, the Heavens & The Earth. ( period . that is all ) It never tells you when the beginning was. So you would have to look at God's creation to determine the age. If we read carefully you see that God's word teaches us about everything.
 
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Batman007

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Some one saying to me, that the earth is millions upon millions of years old doesn't challenge me in the least bit. Because God created, the Earth first.

2nd, God's word teaches as much. That this earth is actually eons in age. That is what the scriptures state at least it makes sense to me... Evolution on the other hand is a lie, and should not be connected when talking about the age of the earth.

Scripture speaks for it's self and if we are familiar with God's Word. Then we are informed on what it states about the age of the earth.

One clue, is in the very first verse of Gen. It says In the beginning , God created, the Heavens & The Earth. ( period . that is all ) It never tells you when the beginning was. So you would have to look at God's creation to determine the age. If we read carefully you see that God's word teaches us about everything.
Actually it is believed that the earth is billions of years old, not millions.*
 
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nathan3

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Actually it is believed that the earth is billions of years old, not millions.*
oh okay. thanks. I don't keep up on it too much. I knew it was alot :) thanks.
 
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oOfallen_angelOo

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The Earth is billions of years old. The bible does not contradict this. At all.

Believers however, mess this idea up. There's this crazy belief that the Earth is only 6,000 years old; it is not. There is clear evidence of dinosaurs, neanderthals the works. This cannot physically be denied.

I'm sure the purpose of the dinos was to give birth to evolutionary realities; which also does not contradict the bible, but rather furthers God's incredible creation work.

The bible actually documents 6,000 years of time, because this was the time in which God created actual mankind in his image and likeness. When it says " in the beginning," it means, the beginning of mankind as we know it. The " sea " in Genesis actually means a multitude of people and nations. The book of Job is a nicely detailed book about the creation of the world, as that talks about the sun cycle, water cycle, core of the earth, etc etc. Proverbs talks about the foundations of Heaven being set in place, and the horizon being laid out.

Genesis is an extremely prophetical book, and in fully understanding it, it actually reveals what is to come in the last days ( our generation,) when it's all said and done. I'm like 2% into the prophecy of it ha ha - it's deep though.

Adam and Eve are also a mysterious parable, because in it, we come to understand our real situation on Earth. A lot of people have this idea that we sinned because of what two people in the garden of Eden did; however, the bible clearly testifies that all men were born of sin - which contradicts the previous thought because why would an innocent fresh soul be condmned because of what Adam or Eve did?

Logically makes no sense - but the bible makes absolute sense, it's just people trying to decode it.

Another illogical statement is that Adam and Eve were the first humans.

Really?

Then how did Cain get a wife after he killed Abel? He hooked up with his own mother?

Lol of course not. There were other people, a lot of other people. And Genesis describes them as being in darkness, and God as the light - because these people were in the darkness of not knowing of God, and so God brought the light (the word,) so that they may come to understand him and gain eternal life which was lost through sin.

So I disagree; the Earth is indeed billions of years old, but this does not downplay or contradict anything in the bible. Those billions of years just had nothing to do with God and our salvation, so they were mentioned here and there through the detailed creations in Job / Proverbs but not an area of focus.

Science is but mankind's feeble attempt to understand God's creating hand. But an illusion non - believers use to justify their disbelief, but end up contradicting themselves because science reveals nothing except that there is more to understand even when we believe we're beginning to understand.

And endless circle of observation and nullified realizations...
 
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Here is an article WELL WORTH READING regarding the Age of the Earth and the observations we make.

A Brief DVD Illustration for the BiblicallyDescribed Creation of Our Universe
DVD Illustration for Universe Creation.

How Can the Earth be Both 4.5 Billion and 6,000 Years Old?
Earth Age

Robert Hermann has an excellent mind and his work is exceptional although it does take time to comprehend. It is not easy reading because it forces you to develop new concepts upon which to build in order to understand what he is presenting.

He does write for the layman but one has to take time to grasp each point before moving on to the next otherwise his later conclusions will not be understood.

I also recommend his book...
Science Declares Our Universe IS Intelligently Designed

http://www.amazon.com/Science-Declares-Universe-Intelligently-Designed/dp/1591600472



Fallen, I think you might appreciate this material.
 
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AgapeSpiritEyes

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Genesis does not state that the first day the planet was created, the planet already was here before reconstruction and renovation of the planet (in the 6 days) along with all the other bio's and created things brought forth out of the earth, looking at the earth and it's topography it reveals at the new beginning of the planet being flooded dark and dead this was from a judgment of Lucifer's fall for he was imprisoned in the places in hell in the depths of THIS planet along with innumerable others fallen angels look at the oceans and the sea bottoms they show huge fractures and missing depths of the surface of the planet most of it became space brome asteroids and other types of traveling parts in the solar system and ? beyond. The reason i first believed in the 6 days of creation (actually reconstruction renovation) is because the person teaching it skipped over what was and is written. The planet was here before the reconstruction renovation of the 6 days, the beginning or genesis of the age of mankind begun and the end of the age of Lucifer and the angels in this universe.
 
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Here is an article WELL WORTH READING regarding the Age of the Earth and the observations we make.

A Brief DVD Illustration for the BiblicallyDescribed Creation of Our Universe
DVD Illustration for Universe Creation.

How Can the Earth be Both 4.5 Billion and 6,000 Years Old?
Earth Age

Robert Hermann has an excellent mind and his work is exceptional although it does take time to comprehend. It is not easy reading because it forces you to develop new concepts upon which to build in order to understand what he is presenting.

He does write for the layman but one has to take time to grasp each point before moving on to the next otherwise his later conclusions will not be understood.

I also recommend his book...
Science Declares Our Universe IS Intelligently Designed

http://www.amazon.com/Science-Declares-Universe-Intelligently-Designed/dp/1591600472



Fallen, I think you might appreciate this material.
nah, I've heard many theories on this how can the earth be both billions of years old and 6,000 years old.

The earth is old, but the bible documents 6,000 years.

Case in point, it does not really matter the age of the Earth, but rather what the bible documents in those 6,000 years. This is stuff the devil uses to make people get all hot and bothered about God and what not.

But this is obviously a needless point to know, as even if the Earth is indeed 6,000 years, knowing the actual age of the Earth isn't going to get you into heaven.

Don't get all distracted by the finger pointing the world does, especially when it comes to " scientific" stuff and God. God always wins out lol, because science is man made and is erraneous.

I say this only because this age thing with the Earth and bible has lead people to lose faith and even stop believing in God altogether; because they see the scientific and biblical aspect as conflicting, and thus science has to be right in a physical sense.

The major point though, is that this does not matter at all lol. One should put their efforts into trying to understand the 6,000 years of documented time.
 
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For those that believe:

It's time to recognize the six days of creation and why God rested the seventh day. There is a significance to God resting on the seventh day because that was how long it took for everything to be created.

So when we read from verse one of in the beginning... we are addressing God's first act of creation whcih all took place on the very first day.

They say that the speed of light is measurable, and thus by it, believers doubt how old everything is by its measurement, but consider that in one day, God spoke and it was, and so when God spoke for the lights from the heavens to govern the earth day & night, that means He made the source of that light & filled in the gap with that light to be governing the earth that day & night.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Science is saying now that the speed of light is slowing down as everything is due to the second law of thermodynamic in regards to the law of energy decay when systems left to their own devices are moving from order to disorder. If believers can see that as the result of sin in the world, and death by sin, then they should see how when God created everything in setting everything up, it was good for each day of that week until He rested on the seventh day.

The problem of science is that they really cannot measure the age of the earth. There is no device that can be validated as to show old the earth really is.

Daughter elements is the result of the decay from parent elements. The assumption is being made that there were no daughter elements present with the parent elements at very the beginning. Were there not trees created bearing fruit in the day they were created?

Also, there are a few significant factors that can alter the rate of decay for any device to measure the age of anything recent.

So while science is stumbling around in the dark, believers can rest assured that God's word is true and that He meant what He has said that in six days He had created everything and rested on the seventh day: otherwise as in referring to the gap theory, then He really did not create everything in six days to rest on that seventh day, but He did, and so let all the calenders of the world through all cultures testify of what God did.

And do note that each day was marked as there was evening & morning each day as in 24 hours.
 
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The Universe is about 6000 years old.