Garden

[JLHillsSr]

Gen 2:16 KJV - And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Gen 2:17 KJV - But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Notice the wording here.

Gen 3:2 KJV - And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 KJV - But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

First of all, God never told Adam, "neither shall ye touch it".
Second of all, God didn't tell Eve she would die.

1Ti 2:14 KJV - And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Eve was not deceived by the serpent. She was deceived by Adam. Adam was the one who told Eve not to eat or touch the fruit or she would die. Eve's transgression was taking the word of Adam, and not turning to God.

Job 31:33 KJV - If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom:

Adam's iniquity was wanting to keep the woman in the garden. His transgression was telling her falsely, she would die.

And now the kicker:

Gen 3:4 KJV - And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 KJV - For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

To know good and evil, is a good thing. How else can we discern between the two? If we don't know evil, we can't avoid it, or confront it.

So why is it that Satan would want them to eat of the fruit?
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[mark54]

Gen 2:16 KJV - And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Gen 2:17 KJV - But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Notice the wording here.

Gen 3:2 KJV - And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 KJV - But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

First of all, God never told Adam, "neither shall ye touch it".
Second of all, God didn't tell Eve she would die.

1Ti 2:14 KJV - And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Eve was not deceived by the serpent. She was deceived by Adam. Adam was the one who told Eve not to eat or touch the fruit or she would die. Eve's transgression was taking the word of Adam, and not turning to God.

Job 31:33 KJV - If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom:

Adam's iniquity was wanting to keep the woman in the garden. His transgression was telling her falsely, she would die.

And now the kicker:

Gen 3:4 KJV - And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 KJV - For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

To know good and evil, is a good thing. How else can we discern between the two? If we don't know evil, we can't avoid it, or confront it.

So why is it that Satan would want them to eat of the fruit?
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Jesus said
If you were blind(without knowledge) you would not be guilty of sin; but now you claim that you can see(have knowledge), your guilt remains
John 9:41

 

[JLHillsSr]

It is my understanding, that Adam told her not to touch it. It was Adam that was to die, not physically, but spiritually. Having been given the commandment from God, it was his duty not to eat of it.

What I find fascinating, is why he needed help.
Adam had already eaten from the tree.

Gen 2:16 KJV - And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

There is a span of time between verses 16 and 17.

Gen 2:17 KJV - But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Look at it like this. You are left in a room full of food. You take a cookie and eat it. The other person comes back and says, "Don't eat any cookies."
Do you tell the person that you did. I think not.

Of course God knows that Adam had already eaten the fruit. And he also knows that Adam wants more of it. This is why he gives him the animals. Adam watches the animals and sees that the animals are living in the tree, and eating the fruit.

In comes woman.

Adam is not lonely here. He doesn't know any other way. So why is God giving him companionship?
He's not. He's giving him an out. A way to get what he wants. God has spoken, and is not going to change his mind. He knows that Adam still wants the fruit, but is obedient. So God gives him an escape-goat. EVE.

Gen 3:12 KJV - And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest [to be] with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Gen 3:13 KJV - And the LORD God said unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Neither took the blame, but what Adam says is key.

Bottom line here is:

God needed Adam to sin in order make the cross work. No sin. No need for the cross.
So he planted the iniquity in Adam. "I need that fruit."

Job 31:33 KJV - If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom:

Adam begins to plot his way to the tree. He can't use the animals, so he uses the woman.

1Ti 2:14 KJV - And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

The woman was in the transgression. Adam blames the woman, (of whom he deceived,) and she blames the serpent, making her a part of the transgression.

 

[Kefa52]

(So why is it that Satan would want them to eat of the fruit?)

In John 10:10 the Lord Jesus lists Satan's three-part strategy. He says, "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly."

If I told you not to steal anything and put you in a store where everything was free. What would I have accomplished.

 

[Miri]

I believe it was about a power struggle.

God gave Adam and Eve authority to rule over and subdue the earth Gen 1 v 28 / Ps 115 v 16

Isaiah 14 v 13-14 suggests Lucifer wanted more then he already had.

If he could deceive Adam and Eve into giving up their authority then Lucifer would gain even more.

There is an interesting verse in Rom 16 v 6 that suggests if you offer yourselves to someone as a slave/servant, you become a slave to the one you obey (me paraphrasing). Although this is in the NT the principle may well have been in operation from the beginning of time.
If Lucifer knew of this, then presumably if he could get Adam and Eve to willingly disobey God and instead obey him, then they would become a slave
to him and in turn Lucifer would then gain ownership of their authority.

It took Jesus to come and be born as a man to die and be resurrected as a sinless man, to take back that authority.

I don't think this was part of God's plan when he created us, but it became necessary when the events unfolded.

I think that part of God's plan was that humans would have free will. But here is an interesting thought, without Lucifer tempting them, they
may not have taken from the tree of knowledge at all. If they had have done without anyone deceiving them, then what would have happened.
Would they still have had that authority to keep for themselves but with full knowledge. Or would God have taken that Authority back since he
created them and they were still subject to God?

What is more interesting is that God then had to place a guard on the "tree of life" thank God for that. If they had partaken of the tree of life in their fallen state, then presumably Adam and Eve would have lived for ever in that state. Maybe that is what Lucifer hoped for all along, but it did not work out that way.

 

[Shilo]

The Lord in his word tells us the same thing over and over again so we understand. He is the same yesterday to day and forever so many times he would have warned them about the tree. Eve also had firsthand knowledge to not eat from the tree.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God ( name of creation and judgment) really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’

YHVH (LORD) is the name of relationship or covenant . The first thing Satan wanted to do was to break the relationship he did not use the word YHVH ( only people know God on this level).
Genesis 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 butGod did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.
Eve said God said, She heard this from The LORD God she did not say Adam said God said. Then she called the LORD God just God she took this cue from Satan and came out from under the safety of the relationship with the LORD God. Then she did what was right in her own eyes . She did what she thought strengthened God’s warning about the tree. She believed her own word’s above God and that weakened rather than strengthen the warning.
Genesis 3:4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
When Satan could see that he had change Eve’s relationship with God and she was now using her own mind to fight him he could appeal to her own desires and that is what he did. He uses God again to keep Eve from thinking of the LORD as her friend who she can trust.
He kill relationship = You will not certainly die you can’t trust him
He goes in with covet what is not yours = your eyes will be opened, Open your eyes and look at the fruit and what it can do for you. It is not yours ( steal it) but take it what you will get is worth it.
He goes into destroy anything left that might make her think she needs God = you will be like God
He hit her with lust of the eyes, the flesh and pride of life so that he could take everything from her. He came to kill steal, and destroy.
Adam was with her and was not deceived 1 Timothy 2:14
Adam is the first one who sinned he was put in the garden to work and to guard it. When the test came to see if he would obey the Lord and guard what was put into his hand. He obeyed Eve instead his pure devotion to God change to a devotion to Eve. He willfully sinned against God knowing the truth not being deceived but choses his wife over God. He sinned by not guarding the Garden and obeying his wife over God.

Genesis 2:15 The LORD God took the man and placed him in the Garden of Eden in order to have him work it and guard it.

 

[Trax]

Eve was not deceived by the serpent. _

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your
minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

 

[nathan3]

First of all, God never told Adam, "neither shall ye touch it".
Second of all, God didn't tell Eve she would die.




1Ti 2:14 KJV - And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Eve was not deceived by the serpent. She was deceived by Adam. Adam was the one who told Eve not to eat or touch the fruit or she would die. Eve's transgression was taking the word of Adam, and not turning to God.



To know good and evil, is a good thing. How else can we discern between the two? If we don't know evil, we can't avoid it, or confront it.

So why is it that Satan would want them to eat of the fruit?
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Knowing Good and Evil in Genesis here is a bad thing, as God stated ..

And God did warn them that they would die :

Genesis 2: 15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.



Adam did not deceived Eve, it was the serpent that deceived them both. Are you simply reading over this sentence ? >


3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.




2 Corinthians 11:3

King James Version (KJV)

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

 

[nathan3]

First of all, God never told Adam, "neither shall ye touch it".

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This word " touch " as used here Genesis 3:3; there is something that was lost from the Hebrew when translated into the English. Look up that word & see what it says in the original Hebrew manuscripts.

Might shed some light on Christ parables of the tares
Here Index - King James Bible with Strongs Dictionary - SpeedBible by johnhurt.com

 

[JLHillsSr]

(So why is it that Satan would want them to eat of the fruit?)

In John 10:10 the Lord Jesus lists Satan's three-part strategy. He says, "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly."

If I told you not to steal anything and put you in a store where everything was free. What would I have accomplished.

Where in the book does it say that the serpent was Satan? No sin was allowed in the garden.

 

[nathan3]

Where in the book does it say that the serpent was Satan? No sin was allowed in the garden.

It would be a more complete question to ask, where in the Word of God is that written. Time means little to God. He is the same yesterday, as He is today, and will be forever.
That being said.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent,called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[JLHillsSr]

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your
minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

The serpent did not deceive, he corrected.

 

[nathan3]

The serpent did not deceive, he corrected.

God does the correcting .......Satan does the deceiving as its written about him .

 

[JLHillsSr]

Knowing Good and Evil in Genesis here is a bad thing, as God stated ..

And God did warn them that they would die :

Genesis 2: 15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.



Adam did not deceived Eve, it was the serpent that deceived them both. Are you simply reading over this sentence ? >


3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.




2 Corinthians 11:3

King James Version (KJV)

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

God did not tell Eve not to eat of the tree. He told Adam. Eve didn't even say that God told her, she said, "God hath said....,"

 

[JLHillsSr]

It would be a more complete question to ask, where in the Word of God is that written. Time means little to God. He is the same yesterday, as He is today, and will be forever.
That being said.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent,called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So explain this.

Jhn 10:34 KJV - Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Isa 41:23 KJV - Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye [are] gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold [it] together.

Psa 82:6 KJV - I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.

Gen 3:5 KJV - For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

To know good and evil is to see through the eyes of God, discerning the truth.
The serpent was finishing the cause. The only one that can finish God's work, is God.

 

[JLHillsSr]

God does the correcting .......Satan does the deceiving as its written about him .

Yes. You are correct.

 

[nathan3]

God did not tell Eve not to eat of the tree. He told Adam. Eve didn't even say that God told her, she said, "God hath said....,"

Anything told to Adam, Eve would know. They both live together , in the same place. Why would she not know a rule that would be unto death. If that is not enough look at the scripture :

Genesis 2:

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

They were both one. Eve would know anything Adam did.



Gen 3:
We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.


The fact remains, It is The Serpent, that is asking these questions. Not Adam. God would have said as much. Also the other prophets. You don't think God knows who did what? Why do you think God ,passed the sentence He did on the Serpent ; and not Adam? If it was Adam that did the wrong ?


2 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

If it was Adam this apostle would have said so. Adam did take part in the sin. They both did. But the Serpent role can not be ignored here or hidden.

 

[nathan3]

I'm not sure. But from your line of post. I think you have adopted the thought from some one that, The Serpent in the Garden is no real figure at all. I would just say to that, or the people that told you that. The scriptures weight heavily on the Serpent being a real entity . It can be documented in The Word of God . And I don't think its something hard to do, for some one willing to read it.

 

[JLHillsSr]

Anything told to Adam, Eve would know. They both live together , in the same place. Why would she not know a rule that would be unto death. If that is not enough look at the scripture :

Genesis 2:

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

They were both one. Eve would know anything Adam did.



Gen 3:
We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.


The fact remains, It is The Serpent, that is asking these questions. Not Adam. God would have said as much. Also the other prophets. You don't think God knows who did what? Why do you think God ,passed the sentence He did on the Serpent ; and not Adam? If it was Adam that did the wrong ?


2 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

If it was Adam this apostle would have said so. Adam did take part in the sin. They both did. But the Serpent role can not be ignored here or hidden.

The point that I am trying to make here is that Adam was to die, not Eve. The death was spiritual. Eve would not have suffered if she had not blamed the serpent. Her punishment is one. Childbirth. Adam's punishment was three-fold.

Gen 3:15 KJV - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:17 KJV - And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:19 KJV - In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.

verse 19 was the only punishment that was to be imposed. It was his iniquity that caused the rest.

 

[JLHillsSr]

I'm not sure. But from your line of post. I think you have adopted the thought from some one that, The Serpent in the Garden is no real figure at all. I would just say to that, or the people that told you that. The scriptures weight heavily on the Serpent being a real entity . It can be documented in The Word of God . And I don't think its something hard to do, for some one willing to read it.

There is no question that the serpent was real. It just can not be proven that it is Satan. But scripture proves that it was God in the serpent.