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Let's read what Keeping God's law does for an individual;
Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Now let's read who does not make it into God's kingdom;
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Can you deny that keeping God's commandments are not needed for eternal life...for salvation?
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Hi ECCL
I wonder if you wouldn't mind answering the following question Zone put to you, just so I can understand exactly your position on this subject
Thanks
'After having become a Christian, is the christian to have his sons circumcised on the eight day according to Law, and proceed to live by the all Law of Moses [minus the animal sacrifices of course]?
I wonder if you wouldn't mind answering the following question Zone put to you, just so I can understand exactly your position on this subject
Thanks
'After having become a Christian, is the christian to have his sons circumcised on the eight day according to Law, and proceed to live by the all Law of Moses [minus the animal sacrifices of course]?
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Originally Posted by Eccl12and13
Why thank you for being so caring and asking if this question is too personal............
Shouldn't one always do as God commands?
So will you now ask me if I would do some obscure law found in the OT because God also commands it?
Zone asked:
n.m.
your posts are miles long and always end with pressing questions the reader is to answer.
i'm okay with that. but my question was simple.
perhaps not straightforward enough.
maybe i'm dense, but i guess i'll just ask outright: after having become a Christian, is the christian to have his sons circumcised on the eight day according to Law, and proceed to live by the all Law of Moses [minus the animal sacrifices of course]?
(that's not a two part question)
ty.
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Originally Posted by Eccl12and13
Why thank you for being so caring and asking if this question is too personal............
Shouldn't one always do as God commands?
So will you now ask me if I would do some obscure law found in the OT because God also commands it?
Zone asked:
n.m.
your posts are miles long and always end with pressing questions the reader is to answer.
i'm okay with that. but my question was simple.
perhaps not straightforward enough.
maybe i'm dense, but i guess i'll just ask outright: after having become a Christian, is the christian to have his sons circumcised on the eight day according to Law, and proceed to live by the all Law of Moses [minus the animal sacrifices of course]?
(that's not a two part question)
ty.
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And you are correct! There is no activity or action that is needed for us not to kill, lie and steal. That is my point.
But what does Paul tell us? He tells us of a law of God that DOES require some sort of action (deeds/works).
And it is this law that requires works that cannot not save. Let's read what the Law of the Levites was;
Num.8
[6] Take the Levites from among the children of Israel, and cleanse them.
[9] And thou shalt bring the Levites before the tabernacle of the congregation: and thou shalt gather the whole assembly of the children of Israel together:
[10] And thou shalt bring the Levites before the LORD: and the children of Israel shall put their hands upon the Levites:
[11] And Aaron shall offer the Levites before the LORD for an offering of the children of Israel, that they may execute the service of the LORD.
[12] And the Levites shall lay their hands upon the heads of the bullocks: and thou shalt offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering, unto the LORD, to make an atonement for the Levites.
So now we find a law that God gave to the Levites that required WORK/DEEDS. And the work of the law was to kill animals for the remission of sins. They were the ONLY ones that were given this law from God. No others from the nation of Israel was given this commandment. Now let's read from Paul;
Heb.7
[11] If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
And what was it that the Levites did to TRY to give perfection, or remove sin? Kill animals. But could the killing of animals make those that offered sinless? Let's read....
[19] For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
[28] For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
Now WHICH law could not make perfect? And WHICH law made men high priest? The laws of God that He ONLY gave to the Levites.
This is the law that require works but could not justify, or remove sins.
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HI eccl
Could you just plainly answer the following highlighted question posed please. I am sure you would want people to plainly understand your beliefs on such an important subject. It only requires a yes or no response
Thanks
Zone asked:
n.m.
your posts are miles long and always end with pressing questions the reader is to answer.
i'm okay with that. but my question was simple.
perhaps not straightforward enough.
maybe i'm dense, but i guess i'll just ask outright: after having become a Christian, is the christian to have his sons circumcised on the eight day according to Law, and proceed to live by the all Law of Moses [minus the animal sacrifices of course]?
(that's not a two part question)
ty.
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Sorcerers, whore-mongers, murderers, and idolaters do bad things, by not doing them we are keeping the law. We are warned NOT to do these things.
On the positive side for example we need to love and forgive, go the extra mile, give to the poor, resolve disputes in an orderly way, remember the Lord's death (do this in remembrance of me) be like the Good Samaritan, be merciful and be prepared for Jesus' return.
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On the positive side for example we need to love and forgive, go the extra mile, give to the poor, resolve disputes in an orderly way, remember the Lord's death (do this in remembrance of me) be like the Good Samaritan, be merciful and be prepared for Jesus' return.
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I did. And here it is once again....
A christian should do as God commands! What is there not to understand about this answer?
And as far as someones understanding...if they do not it is not because I did not answer a question....that's God doing;
2 Thes. 2
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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A christian should do as God commands! What is there not to understand about this answer?
And as far as someones understanding...if they do not it is not because I did not answer a question....that's God doing;
2 Thes. 2
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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As this is your thread I feel you should feel able to answer specific questions posed, therefore I will keep posting this question until I receive a specific response to it.
I would have thought you would want to specifically answer it.
Is there a problem with doing so?
HI eccl
Could you just plainly answer the following highlighted question posed please. I am sure you would want people to plainly understand your beliefs on such an important subject. It only requires a yes or no response
Thanks
Zone asked:
n.m.
your posts are miles long and always end with pressing questions the reader is to answer.
i'm okay with that. but my question was simple.
perhaps not straightforward enough.
maybe i'm dense, but i guess i'll just ask outright: after having become a Christian, is the christian to have his sons circumcised on the eight day according to Law, and proceed to live by the all Law of Moses [minus the animal sacrifices of course]?
(that's not a two part question)
I would have thought you would want to specifically answer it.
Is there a problem with doing so?
HI eccl
Could you just plainly answer the following highlighted question posed please. I am sure you would want people to plainly understand your beliefs on such an important subject. It only requires a yes or no response
Thanks
Zone asked:
n.m.
your posts are miles long and always end with pressing questions the reader is to answer.
i'm okay with that. but my question was simple.
perhaps not straightforward enough.
maybe i'm dense, but i guess i'll just ask outright: after having become a Christian, is the christian to have his sons circumcised on the eight day according to Law, and proceed to live by the all Law of Moses [minus the animal sacrifices of course]?
(that's not a two part question)
The law of the High Priests does not make us perfect except for the "Great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God" (Hebrews 4:14)
The commandments we should follow are NOT those given to us by the Priests from the tribe of Levi, the laws we need to follow are those laws given to us by the Great High Priest, the Son of God.
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The commandments we should follow are NOT those given to us by the Priests from the tribe of Levi, the laws we need to follow are those laws given to us by the Great High Priest, the Son of God.
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Really? You are just going to keep posting this question until you get the reply you want? Are you kidding me? And will you hold your breath too? And just how old are you? Does your mother know you are on the computer?
Is this the spirit of God having you to do such a thing?
You asked a question! I answered your question! You are not satisfied with my answer! And THIS is your response? ".... therefore I will keep posting this question until I receive a specific response to it."
Tell me...does this response work with your kids, your job...the real world?
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I don't mind what you answer, but it only requires a yes or no. Everyone now reading these posts will note you feel unable to specifically respond to the question
However, as this is your thread and you ask many questions of others, I feel you should be willing to forthrightly respond to the specific question asked.
HI eccl
Could you just plainly answer the following highlighted question posed please. I am sure you would want people to plainly understand your beliefs on such an important subject. It only requires a yes or no response
Thanks
Zone asked:
n.m.
your posts are miles long and always end with pressing questions the reader is to answer.
i'm okay with that. but my question was simple.
perhaps not straightforward enough.
maybe i'm dense, but i guess i'll just ask outright: after having become a Christian, is the christian to have his sons circumcised on the eight day according to Law, and proceed to live by the all Law of Moses [minus the animal sacrifices of course]?
(that's not a two part question)
However, as this is your thread and you ask many questions of others, I feel you should be willing to forthrightly respond to the specific question asked.
HI eccl
Could you just plainly answer the following highlighted question posed please. I am sure you would want people to plainly understand your beliefs on such an important subject. It only requires a yes or no response
Thanks
Zone asked:
n.m.
your posts are miles long and always end with pressing questions the reader is to answer.
i'm okay with that. but my question was simple.
perhaps not straightforward enough.
maybe i'm dense, but i guess i'll just ask outright: after having become a Christian, is the christian to have his sons circumcised on the eight day according to Law, and proceed to live by the all Law of Moses [minus the animal sacrifices of course]?
(that's not a two part question)
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I think you are starting to come around...you just don't know it.
Think about your reply; "The commandments we should follow are NOT those given to us by the Priests from the tribe of Levi, the laws we need to follow are those laws given to us by the Great High Priest, the Son of God."
So how MANY sets of laws do we have here? Those given to the people by the Levites AND those given to everyone else by God.
And WHICH set of laws are we no longer under? The Laws of the Levites, that of animal sacrifice.
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I have been doing this for a LONG time. Don't try to trap me! Just come out and ask the question you REALLY want to ask.
I have given you the ONLY answer concerning the question you are going to get. And here it is once more.
After having become a Christian, and as one grows in the knowledge of God and His word, a Christian should do as God commands!
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I find this extrordinary. How can I be trying to trap you?
You obviously have a strong opinion as to the following question, but it seems to me you are afraid to now publically state your heartfelt view on this matter. That does not reflect well on your convictions
Please just answer the question. I am sure everyone who has been involved in this thread would like to hear your response
What is the problem with simply answering yes or no?
Zone asked:
n.m.
your posts are miles long and always end with pressing questions the reader is to answer.
i'm okay with that. but my question was simple.
perhaps not straightforward enough.
maybe i'm dense, but i guess i'll just ask outright: after having become a Christian, is the christian to have his sons circumcised on the eight day according to Law, and proceed to live by the all Law of Moses [minus the animal sacrifices of course]?
(that's not a two part question)
You obviously have a strong opinion as to the following question, but it seems to me you are afraid to now publically state your heartfelt view on this matter. That does not reflect well on your convictions
Please just answer the question. I am sure everyone who has been involved in this thread would like to hear your response
What is the problem with simply answering yes or no?
Zone asked:
n.m.
your posts are miles long and always end with pressing questions the reader is to answer.
i'm okay with that. but my question was simple.
perhaps not straightforward enough.
maybe i'm dense, but i guess i'll just ask outright: after having become a Christian, is the christian to have his sons circumcised on the eight day according to Law, and proceed to live by the all Law of Moses [minus the animal sacrifices of course]?
(that's not a two part question)
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Really? Let's read what Paul tells us;
Rom.13
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
And what about this?
Rom.7
[7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Did Paul miss the memo?
Just when did all of the above end? Why is Paul telling these GENTILES to keep God's laws?
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Rom.13
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
And what about this?
Rom.7
[7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Did Paul miss the memo?
Just when did all of the above end? Why is Paul telling these GENTILES to keep God's laws?
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