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Hornet 689 yes what you wrote here is correct about forgiveness if we do not forgive then our heavenly Father will not forgive! The disciples heard this. they also heard that if they lust after a woman that they have already comiited adultery and if their hand causes them to sin cut it off better for part of you to go to heaven than all of you to go to hell. Then A rich man asked him what he needed to do to enter the kingdom of Heaven. Jesus replied to follow all the Laws the rich man replied that he has done this from birth on. Jesus replies you lack one thing give up your riches and follow me (Christ). The rich man walked away very sadly for he chose his earthly wealth over Heaven with Christ.
Now the disciples having been with Christ started to worry and have heard the anihilating remarks Jesus has said to all the people listening, cut off thy hand, gouge out thy eye, give up all earthly treasures. So they ask Jesus how is it possible that any of us can enter heaven? Matthew 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Then they asked for how to pray and Christ gave them the Lord's prayer so commonly used today as if Christ's work never was finished here on earth. You know the Lord's prayer as so many do. This is where your basis is on that we are to forgive others or our heavenly Father wil not forgive you or anyone that does not forgive AND THIS IS TRUE IN THE OLD COVENANT BEFORE THE CROSS.
So this prayer and all that Jesus pointed out was a part of the old covenant it was Christ fullfilling the Law and prophets of the Old Testament and anihilating the people showing them there is no way man can make it to heaven as Jesus said
Matthew 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
So what was Jesus talking about in adding the Lord's prayer all about? The cross is where God himself made salvation possible and at the cross all sin was taken away in Father's sight (John 1:29), so Father could through the Holy Ghost come and live in you the day you first believed and sealed you with the Holy Ghost of promise Ephesians 1:13 in order to first get you past being forgiven by telling you, you are forgiven in Christ 100% forever and for all time now let me teach you (HOLY GHOST) how to walk uprightly.
Therefore after the cross the new covenant in place where are any sins?
Hebrews 10:17 New King James Version (NKJV)
17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
Now first understand after the death of Christ we all are under a new covenant reconciled to God by the death but still in need of life a new a born again one. Romans 5:10 since we all have (past tense) been reconciled to God, how much more shall we be saved by his life?
So here is the new covenant that did not take place until the death, so everything prior to the death is and was under the Old Covenant
Hebrews 9:15-17
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
The Mediator’s Death Necessary
16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
this is my point that I am driving at before the cross under the Old Covenant we forgave in order to be forgiven. under this new covenant we FROGIVE BECAUSE WE ARE FORGIVEN. WE LOVE BECAUSE WE ARE LOVED WE DO GOD'S WILL BECAUSE HE HAS GIVEN US LIFE FOREVER and we stop being initiators and respond to God IN APPRECIATION OF THIS LOVE LAVISHED ON US.
Also this means that after the death of Christ that the Lord's prayer is and was fulfilled, so after the cross we are looking back and being so busy with thank you that there is no time to sin,for we have started the new life in Christ and by this the Old life is forsaken and killed back at the cross with Christ crucified.
Hoping you all get this what the new life is thanking God always and beiung busy with that that there is no timefor the old life
Homwardbound
Now the disciples having been with Christ started to worry and have heard the anihilating remarks Jesus has said to all the people listening, cut off thy hand, gouge out thy eye, give up all earthly treasures. So they ask Jesus how is it possible that any of us can enter heaven? Matthew 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Then they asked for how to pray and Christ gave them the Lord's prayer so commonly used today as if Christ's work never was finished here on earth. You know the Lord's prayer as so many do. This is where your basis is on that we are to forgive others or our heavenly Father wil not forgive you or anyone that does not forgive AND THIS IS TRUE IN THE OLD COVENANT BEFORE THE CROSS.
So this prayer and all that Jesus pointed out was a part of the old covenant it was Christ fullfilling the Law and prophets of the Old Testament and anihilating the people showing them there is no way man can make it to heaven as Jesus said
Matthew 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
So what was Jesus talking about in adding the Lord's prayer all about? The cross is where God himself made salvation possible and at the cross all sin was taken away in Father's sight (John 1:29), so Father could through the Holy Ghost come and live in you the day you first believed and sealed you with the Holy Ghost of promise Ephesians 1:13 in order to first get you past being forgiven by telling you, you are forgiven in Christ 100% forever and for all time now let me teach you (HOLY GHOST) how to walk uprightly.
Therefore after the cross the new covenant in place where are any sins?
Hebrews 10:17 New King James Version (NKJV)
17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
Now first understand after the death of Christ we all are under a new covenant reconciled to God by the death but still in need of life a new a born again one. Romans 5:10 since we all have (past tense) been reconciled to God, how much more shall we be saved by his life?
So here is the new covenant that did not take place until the death, so everything prior to the death is and was under the Old Covenant
Hebrews 9:15-17
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
The Mediator’s Death Necessary
16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
this is my point that I am driving at before the cross under the Old Covenant we forgave in order to be forgiven. under this new covenant we FROGIVE BECAUSE WE ARE FORGIVEN. WE LOVE BECAUSE WE ARE LOVED WE DO GOD'S WILL BECAUSE HE HAS GIVEN US LIFE FOREVER and we stop being initiators and respond to God IN APPRECIATION OF THIS LOVE LAVISHED ON US.
Also this means that after the death of Christ that the Lord's prayer is and was fulfilled, so after the cross we are looking back and being so busy with thank you that there is no time to sin,for we have started the new life in Christ and by this the Old life is forsaken and killed back at the cross with Christ crucified.
Hoping you all get this what the new life is thanking God always and beiung busy with that that there is no timefor the old life
Homwardbound
Now that the new Covenant is explained above, the just live by faith anything without faith is sin, no one can snatch me out of his hand. Any and all weapons formed against me shall never prosper, greater he that is in me than he that is in the world. I have past from death to life. No one can seperate me from the love of Christ no one, I have lived a long time and have or was to be dead more than once in many travails that came about in this life. Therefore Ican make the same claims as Paul and count my fleshly life of doing right as dung inorder togain the righteousness from God
Pkillipians 3:1-11
3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit,[a] rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, 4 though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
So please let us put down our own efforts and quit holding onto works (flesh) works that is as the rich man held onto his riches and became very sad. unless we give up ourselves complete to Christ we are none of his
Homwardbound
Pkillipians 3:1-11
3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit,[a] rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, 4 though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
So please let us put down our own efforts and quit holding onto works (flesh) works that is as the rich man held onto his riches and became very sad. unless we give up ourselves complete to Christ we are none of his
Homwardbound
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I'll just go on one of the verses that was Quoted by PS. I had quoted several using references available, however it didn't quote right.
Apparently there's a post length limit on this version.
2 Peter 2:20-21 says, "If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning."[SUP]72[/SUP]
We need to know who the "they" are.
2 Peter 2 is a chapter about evildoers, who attempt to lead others into their own lifestyle. Beginning with verse 18, the text is clear that the "they" are those who listen to the evildoers.
Verse 18 says "they" are "people who are just escaping from those who live in error."
So, these people are associated with Christians and have begun to understand the way of righteousness, but they are not yet believers.
Verse 21 says, "It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command..."[SUP]72[/SUP]
So, this shows that these people are not backsliding Christians, but those who have heard the word and then rejected it to follow after evildoers.
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Also, Revelation 2:5
The verse comes from a letter from Jesus to the Church at Ephesus. The original church was on fire for the Lord. However, over time, the church became complacent and unfruitful. Jesus told them to repent and go back to what they were doing at first. The lampstand is symbolic of the assembly at Ephesus. So, removing the lampstand means that Jesus would cause the church at Ephesus to cease to exist. The verse has nothing to do with salvation.
Hebrews 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to public disgrace. (Hebrews 6:4-6)
Once again, we must ask the question of whether these people are believers or unbelievers. Let's look at their characteristics. First, at one point they had been enlightened about the gospel. Although they knew what is was, the text does not tells us that they ever accepted Jesus as their Lord. Next, they have "tasted the heavenly gift," that is the Lord Jesus. Tasting is quite a telling word.
In the Greek, it means to sample or try out some food.
It doesn't mean to consume the meal. In fact, it suggests that they never made that commitment. They also "shared in the Holy Spirit." This description is also unusual. A true believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, not merely "sharing" or "partaking" of the Spirit.
However, the Holy Spirit is not just active in the life of a believer, but also convicts the unbeliever of "sin and righteousness and judgment."
Therefore, it is entirely consistent with the Holy Spirit working within the life of an unbeliever who is considering a response to the gospel.
Third, these people "tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age."
Again, tasting the word of God is not the same as living the word of God. So, the people who are being described in the passage are those who have been associated with a Christian fellowship, but have fallen away.
However, the falling away is not merely a passive thing, but they are "subjecting Him [Jesus] to public disgrace," indicating an active rejection of the gospel. Finally, verse 9 indicates that the above passage does not refer to those who have been saved, saying, "we are confident of better things in your case--things that accompany salvation."
This verse mentions "things that accompany salvation," not things that result in salvation. In addition, verses 4-6 refer to "they" whereas verse 9 refers to "your," indicating that the verses are referring to different groups of people.
Apparently there's a post length limit on this version.
2 Peter 2:20-21 says, "If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning."[SUP]72[/SUP]
We need to know who the "they" are.
2 Peter 2 is a chapter about evildoers, who attempt to lead others into their own lifestyle. Beginning with verse 18, the text is clear that the "they" are those who listen to the evildoers.
- For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. (2 Peter 2:18)
- They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity--for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. (2 Peter 2:19)
Verse 18 says "they" are "people who are just escaping from those who live in error."
So, these people are associated with Christians and have begun to understand the way of righteousness, but they are not yet believers.
Verse 21 says, "It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command..."[SUP]72[/SUP]
So, this shows that these people are not backsliding Christians, but those who have heard the word and then rejected it to follow after evildoers.
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Also, Revelation 2:5
The verse comes from a letter from Jesus to the Church at Ephesus. The original church was on fire for the Lord. However, over time, the church became complacent and unfruitful. Jesus told them to repent and go back to what they were doing at first. The lampstand is symbolic of the assembly at Ephesus. So, removing the lampstand means that Jesus would cause the church at Ephesus to cease to exist. The verse has nothing to do with salvation.
Hebrews 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to public disgrace. (Hebrews 6:4-6)
Once again, we must ask the question of whether these people are believers or unbelievers. Let's look at their characteristics. First, at one point they had been enlightened about the gospel. Although they knew what is was, the text does not tells us that they ever accepted Jesus as their Lord. Next, they have "tasted the heavenly gift," that is the Lord Jesus. Tasting is quite a telling word.
In the Greek, it means to sample or try out some food.
It doesn't mean to consume the meal. In fact, it suggests that they never made that commitment. They also "shared in the Holy Spirit." This description is also unusual. A true believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, not merely "sharing" or "partaking" of the Spirit.
However, the Holy Spirit is not just active in the life of a believer, but also convicts the unbeliever of "sin and righteousness and judgment."
Therefore, it is entirely consistent with the Holy Spirit working within the life of an unbeliever who is considering a response to the gospel.
Third, these people "tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age."
Again, tasting the word of God is not the same as living the word of God. So, the people who are being described in the passage are those who have been associated with a Christian fellowship, but have fallen away.
However, the falling away is not merely a passive thing, but they are "subjecting Him [Jesus] to public disgrace," indicating an active rejection of the gospel. Finally, verse 9 indicates that the above passage does not refer to those who have been saved, saying, "we are confident of better things in your case--things that accompany salvation."
This verse mentions "things that accompany salvation," not things that result in salvation. In addition, verses 4-6 refer to "they" whereas verse 9 refers to "your," indicating that the verses are referring to different groups of people.
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Regenerating, therefore renew your mind seek to see things from God the Father's vantage
Romans 12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
So now what does the above scripture mean? When I first learned this scripture I thought that I had to make myself Holy before God otherwise how can he accept me I am not Holy God is. So I wrestled for years with the meaning because I could not submit myself to God and because of free will and not submitting God couldn't at that time carry on the good work that he began in me, and I knew that truth was suppose toset me free and this was not happening I was not being set free I kept trying to do the as in trying to be a doer of it and just could'nt do it, maybe you are going the this experience or maybe you now have been set freeI do not but God does and if you are not God wants to. So I was in error over what truth I thought was truth over that one verse, until I submitted my body as is unhloy for God to do the clean up through the cross, I gave my all as in I give up trying to perform the law and I heard from God in my heart and the journey ever since has been fabulous, inspite of all the tragedies that have happened. I count all glory to God.
Romans 12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
So now what does the above scripture mean? When I first learned this scripture I thought that I had to make myself Holy before God otherwise how can he accept me I am not Holy God is. So I wrestled for years with the meaning because I could not submit myself to God and because of free will and not submitting God couldn't at that time carry on the good work that he began in me, and I knew that truth was suppose toset me free and this was not happening I was not being set free I kept trying to do the as in trying to be a doer of it and just could'nt do it, maybe you are going the this experience or maybe you now have been set freeI do not but God does and if you are not God wants to. So I was in error over what truth I thought was truth over that one verse, until I submitted my body as is unhloy for God to do the clean up through the cross, I gave my all as in I give up trying to perform the law and I heard from God in my heart and the journey ever since has been fabulous, inspite of all the tragedies that have happened. I count all glory to God.
The degenerating is the Old Covenant where we are to see that we cannnot perform the law just like fill up your tub with water put ten apples in the tub and try to hold all ten under the water at the same time using only your hands. this is what Jesus was trying to show everyone present that day and has by history come to us, so we can move on to the new Covenant and Christ thus lives through us doing the work that we could not do for us we are only a vessel for God to use, we then have taken on his yoke it is light and his burden it is easy, if you have ears to hear then you will.
There are three harvests that make up the whole of the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 13:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
The three harvests are Christ the firstfuits and they that are Christ's at His coming and then finally the end after the milleniel reign of Christ when Satan is loosed from the pit for a small season to stage one last rebellion wherein those that remain loyal to Christ will be manifested for that third harvest that makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven before the Son gives that kingdom back to the Father.
1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
So what you are addressing in John 10th chapter in regards to the sheep that followed His voice and no one can pluck them out of His hands is of the first fold, the sheep that are His that followed His voice.
Since there is a prophesied falling away from the faith in 1 Timothy 4:1-2 & yet Christ will lose nothing of all the Father has given Him in John 6:39, then it stands to reason why God would judge His House first at the pre tribulational rapture event.
Behold as we look at the entire chapter of John 10, we see it starting out differentiating between the sheep that followed His voice and those that followed a stranger's voice for climbing up another way.
If you skip on down in that same chapter 10, we see Jesus referring to another sheep that He MUST bring as they will be made to follow His voice and be of the one fold & one shepherd, thus referring to the sheep as being His because He must bring them as our confidence is that Jesus will finish His work even in those that have gone astray.
John 10:[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [SUP]15 [/SUP]As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
So OSAS remains as many are called but few are chosen for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, thus the need to repenty & depart from iniquity by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to lay aside every weight & sin to be able to attend.
Can the Father cease to be the Father? No. That is why the prodigal son is still son even though he was foolish to give up his inheritance for wild living, and yet it will be no picnic to be chastened by the Father: Hebrews 12:3-29 because we will be judged by the Refiner's fire by what we build on that foundation: 1 Corinthians 3:10-23
We cannot testify of Jesus being our Saviour as in having been saved, if we can lose our salvation. It is the rewards of crowns and the seat at the Marriage Supper that is at stake here as God will judge His House first: 1 Peter 4:17-19
Those that remain not to believe in OSAS, should change their testimony about how Jesus Christ "might" be your Saviour and how you must work towards your salvation by obedience to all that He has commanded, thus denying Him as Saviour.
However, if God has peradventured to help you see the truth, then repent from denouncing OSAS so you can declare that Jesus Christ is your Saviour, and because you are saved, we should warn other saved believers to take heed on how we build on that foundation because He will judge His House first at the pre tribulatioanl rapture event when any will be left behind for not being found abiding in Him and there will be weeping and ganshing of teeth over the loss of that first inheritance as Esau did when he sold his birthright for a meal, but God will perform a miracle by wiping the tears from the eyes of those coming out of the great tribulation of that second harvest so that they can get past that tremendous loss.
That being said... no believer should want to go through that because it is a damnation to be destroyed into becoming a vessel unto dishonour in His House: 2 Timothy 2:19-21 thus it is a terrible thing to fall in the hands of the living God and so believers should look to and trust their Good Shepherd, the Lord Jesus Christ, to have us ready and be found abiding in Him before the Bridegroom comes.
Matthew 13:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
The three harvests are Christ the firstfuits and they that are Christ's at His coming and then finally the end after the milleniel reign of Christ when Satan is loosed from the pit for a small season to stage one last rebellion wherein those that remain loyal to Christ will be manifested for that third harvest that makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven before the Son gives that kingdom back to the Father.
1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
So what you are addressing in John 10th chapter in regards to the sheep that followed His voice and no one can pluck them out of His hands is of the first fold, the sheep that are His that followed His voice.
Since there is a prophesied falling away from the faith in 1 Timothy 4:1-2 & yet Christ will lose nothing of all the Father has given Him in John 6:39, then it stands to reason why God would judge His House first at the pre tribulational rapture event.
Behold as we look at the entire chapter of John 10, we see it starting out differentiating between the sheep that followed His voice and those that followed a stranger's voice for climbing up another way.
If you skip on down in that same chapter 10, we see Jesus referring to another sheep that He MUST bring as they will be made to follow His voice and be of the one fold & one shepherd, thus referring to the sheep as being His because He must bring them as our confidence is that Jesus will finish His work even in those that have gone astray.
John 10:[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [SUP]15 [/SUP]As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
So OSAS remains as many are called but few are chosen for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, thus the need to repenty & depart from iniquity by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to lay aside every weight & sin to be able to attend.
Can the Father cease to be the Father? No. That is why the prodigal son is still son even though he was foolish to give up his inheritance for wild living, and yet it will be no picnic to be chastened by the Father: Hebrews 12:3-29 because we will be judged by the Refiner's fire by what we build on that foundation: 1 Corinthians 3:10-23
We cannot testify of Jesus being our Saviour as in having been saved, if we can lose our salvation. It is the rewards of crowns and the seat at the Marriage Supper that is at stake here as God will judge His House first: 1 Peter 4:17-19
Those that remain not to believe in OSAS, should change their testimony about how Jesus Christ "might" be your Saviour and how you must work towards your salvation by obedience to all that He has commanded, thus denying Him as Saviour.
However, if God has peradventured to help you see the truth, then repent from denouncing OSAS so you can declare that Jesus Christ is your Saviour, and because you are saved, we should warn other saved believers to take heed on how we build on that foundation because He will judge His House first at the pre tribulatioanl rapture event when any will be left behind for not being found abiding in Him and there will be weeping and ganshing of teeth over the loss of that first inheritance as Esau did when he sold his birthright for a meal, but God will perform a miracle by wiping the tears from the eyes of those coming out of the great tribulation of that second harvest so that they can get past that tremendous loss.
That being said... no believer should want to go through that because it is a damnation to be destroyed into becoming a vessel unto dishonour in His House: 2 Timothy 2:19-21 thus it is a terrible thing to fall in the hands of the living God and so believers should look to and trust their Good Shepherd, the Lord Jesus Christ, to have us ready and be found abiding in Him before the Bridegroom comes.
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I do not mean to sound sarcastic or instigating. You say the bible says let God be true, and every man a liar. That sounds wrong to me because everything is about love, how can you love one another and all them liars? Using your own explanation I can say you lied! This attitude makes only for arguments instead of sharing in the Love of God.
Ahhhhhrg! Had to edit. It did not replied with the quote!
All these texts that PS quoted say the same thing. Scripture interprets Scripture. Yet so many refuse to believe the truth. The Bible says let God be true, and every man a liar. Those who refuse to believe will be rewarded accordingly. Those who push their agenda against Scripture will be rewarded accordingly. No personal comments needed.
Ahhhhhrg! Had to edit. It did not replied with the quote!
All these texts that PS quoted say the same thing. Scripture interprets Scripture. Yet so many refuse to believe the truth. The Bible says let God be true, and every man a liar. Those who refuse to believe will be rewarded accordingly. Those who push their agenda against Scripture will be rewarded accordingly. No personal comments needed.
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This is my first post,I recently found this forum,this morning.....I believe the question itself should be of little concern.
Some thoughts....since Christians are saved by grace through faith,how does one become un-saved?It would seem possible if someone who proclaimed to be a Christian,decided that he/she no longer believed that Jesus is God(in the flesh)and his teachings were not real,but only some sort of fictitious story.I would say that may be possible,but it is really just hypothetical question,which should at the bottom of any list of concerns.
Some thoughts....since Christians are saved by grace through faith,how does one become un-saved?It would seem possible if someone who proclaimed to be a Christian,decided that he/she no longer believed that Jesus is God(in the flesh)and his teachings were not real,but only some sort of fictitious story.I would say that may be possible,but it is really just hypothetical question,which should at the bottom of any list of concerns.