Can you Sin and Not Die?
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You die to the law in respect of having a righteousness of obediance to the law before God.
This in pracrtical terms means. You have to know in your heart you are secure wirth God despite the imperfections in you, or sin(for sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4)
You have to know in your heart you have only one acceptablility before God, faith in Christ. You can have no rightstanding in God's sight according to your own personal goodness/law keeping.
This is what it means when Paul says:
'Christ is the end of the law, so that there might be righteousness for everyone who bekliueves(Rom10:4)
The law is written on your heart and mind under the new covenant,(Heb10:16&17) in simple terms this means you instinctively want to obey God, you want to live as He wants you to live. Your hearts desire is to please God. But the natural mind of man then says.
'I know how God wants me to live, so I have to earnestly strive to live that way, if I do not succeed how can I be a Christian, for I am not living as God wants me to live?'
That is living under the law. For you are basing your Christianity as to whether in effect you obey the law or not/whether you sin.
You, know the life God requires of you, and are desperate in your heart to see this lived out in your life, but you must look to Christ. For you are not perfect in the flesh, and when a person comes to Christ they have much evident sin that needs dealing with.
But instead of living under the law in respect of trying to rid yourself of your sin in order to be able to be a Christian, you look to Christ, knowing you are not under the law in respect of your salvation. Your salvation, your righhtstanding before God depends on one thing only, the fact Jesus died for your sins. That is not living under the law
Then you look to Christ and trust him to change you, by the sanctification of the Spirit. This can be no licence to sin, for you do not want the sin, the Holy Spirit lives in you. And Paul tells us
For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace. Rom6:14
This in pracrtical terms means. You have to know in your heart you are secure wirth God despite the imperfections in you, or sin(for sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4)
You have to know in your heart you have only one acceptablility before God, faith in Christ. You can have no rightstanding in God's sight according to your own personal goodness/law keeping.
This is what it means when Paul says:
'Christ is the end of the law, so that there might be righteousness for everyone who bekliueves(Rom10:4)
The law is written on your heart and mind under the new covenant,(Heb10:16&17) in simple terms this means you instinctively want to obey God, you want to live as He wants you to live. Your hearts desire is to please God. But the natural mind of man then says.
'I know how God wants me to live, so I have to earnestly strive to live that way, if I do not succeed how can I be a Christian, for I am not living as God wants me to live?'
That is living under the law. For you are basing your Christianity as to whether in effect you obey the law or not/whether you sin.
You, know the life God requires of you, and are desperate in your heart to see this lived out in your life, but you must look to Christ. For you are not perfect in the flesh, and when a person comes to Christ they have much evident sin that needs dealing with.
But instead of living under the law in respect of trying to rid yourself of your sin in order to be able to be a Christian, you look to Christ, knowing you are not under the law in respect of your salvation. Your salvation, your righhtstanding before God depends on one thing only, the fact Jesus died for your sins. That is not living under the law
Then you look to Christ and trust him to change you, by the sanctification of the Spirit. This can be no licence to sin, for you do not want the sin, the Holy Spirit lives in you. And Paul tells us
For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace. Rom6:14
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I'm not going to say it's impossible walk perfect after salvation, because in 1 John it says "if" we sin we have an advocate with the father. But i will say you're wrong by saying a Christian won't sin, because if a Christian sins they do have an advocate. Peter denied Christ three times, was he not saved. Thomas had to put his fingers in Jesus' wounds to believe... Was he not saved? Sin is something that Christians don't practice accidents happened, and the flesh is on the rise at times. I'm not saying go on and sin after you're saved, but imitate Christ.
When one includes the sins of Eph 5, 1Cor 6, Gal 5 in that "much evident sin" in the context of "coming to Christ and having been saved" then it is error.
Yes one can come to Christ in the sense of turning to Him to seek Him out whilst in sin but that is not salvation. That is simply the beginning of repentance.
When many modern pastors teach that one can still be actively engaged in the sins of the flesh at the same time one is saved then they are simply denying that salvation has anything to do with "being set free from the bondage of sin."
I notice you say this...
That is not true.
While it may be true that without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin it is not true to state that THE ONLY THING that salvation depends on is Jesus dying for your sins.
Jesus said this...
Luk 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Therefore I would be so bold to say that "repentance" is ANOTHER THING upon which salvation depends. Wouldn't you?
Paul said this...
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Therefore I would be so bold to say that "godly sorrow working a repentance" is ANOTHER THING upon which salvation depends.
Can you see that? The Scripture is VERY CLEAR on this.
James wrote this...
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
How can you believe that "receiving the implanted word that SAVES the soul" is not dependent on "laying apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness" ????
Do you just ignore those verses?
It really baffles me how people conclude that all they have to do is "trust" in the "finished work of Christ" at the exclusion of a departure from iniquity.
It just baffles me. The Bible is so clear in what it says. James, Paul and Jesus completely contradict you Mark. Do you just brush that off as some mystical passages that don't really mean what they plainly state?
I am truly mystified. It blows my mind. Is it any wonder that Jesus could heal a blind man on the Sabbath and the Pharisees would strain at when it was done in order to blow off Jesus? How is what you are doing any different?
Yes one can come to Christ in the sense of turning to Him to seek Him out whilst in sin but that is not salvation. That is simply the beginning of repentance.
When many modern pastors teach that one can still be actively engaged in the sins of the flesh at the same time one is saved then they are simply denying that salvation has anything to do with "being set free from the bondage of sin."
I notice you say this...
That is not true.
While it may be true that without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin it is not true to state that THE ONLY THING that salvation depends on is Jesus dying for your sins.
Jesus said this...
Luk 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Therefore I would be so bold to say that "repentance" is ANOTHER THING upon which salvation depends. Wouldn't you?
Paul said this...
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Therefore I would be so bold to say that "godly sorrow working a repentance" is ANOTHER THING upon which salvation depends.
Can you see that? The Scripture is VERY CLEAR on this.
James wrote this...
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
How can you believe that "receiving the implanted word that SAVES the soul" is not dependent on "laying apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness" ????
Do you just ignore those verses?
It really baffles me how people conclude that all they have to do is "trust" in the "finished work of Christ" at the exclusion of a departure from iniquity.
It just baffles me. The Bible is so clear in what it says. James, Paul and Jesus completely contradict you Mark. Do you just brush that off as some mystical passages that don't really mean what they plainly state?
I am truly mystified. It blows my mind. Is it any wonder that Jesus could heal a blind man on the Sabbath and the Pharisees would strain at when it was done in order to blow off Jesus? How is what you are doing any different?
Yes. You become a DOER of the word. It is in yielding to the implanted word that the salvation of the soul is wrought.
God works in us to will and to do. We "work out" or "accomplish it" because we are the ones who build the house upon the rock like Jesus taught. We build it to God's blueprint not our own.
Faith is the building aspect. Faith is the doing aspect. Faith is our part. When we diligently seek God we are rewarded with faith for faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. God rewards those who diligently seek Him. God then opens our eyes in regards to the way we should go and we in turn go there. It is a synergistic process.
Noah built the Ark by faith. He had to be a doer. He had to yield to God. Therefore Noah was saved by his faith in that it made the grace of God effectual to the saving of his family and himself.
We are saved by grace through faith. We are not saved of ourselves. We are not saved by the works of the law but rather by the working of God in us that we yield to.
The problem with law is that it has nothing to do with the inward man. Yielding to the Spirit of God has everything to do with the inward man.
The law was a shadow of love.
We becomes shadows of love so to speak.
Shadows are not under the dominion of other shadows. A shadow is under the dominion of the source. The source being the grace of God.
I hope that makes sense.
God works in us to will and to do. We "work out" or "accomplish it" because we are the ones who build the house upon the rock like Jesus taught. We build it to God's blueprint not our own.
Faith is the building aspect. Faith is the doing aspect. Faith is our part. When we diligently seek God we are rewarded with faith for faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. God rewards those who diligently seek Him. God then opens our eyes in regards to the way we should go and we in turn go there. It is a synergistic process.
Noah built the Ark by faith. He had to be a doer. He had to yield to God. Therefore Noah was saved by his faith in that it made the grace of God effectual to the saving of his family and himself.
We are saved by grace through faith. We are not saved of ourselves. We are not saved by the works of the law but rather by the working of God in us that we yield to.
The problem with law is that it has nothing to do with the inward man. Yielding to the Spirit of God has everything to do with the inward man.
The law was a shadow of love.
We becomes shadows of love so to speak.
Shadows are not under the dominion of other shadows. A shadow is under the dominion of the source. The source being the grace of God.
I hope that makes sense.
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I simply responded to the point the question related to
I am happy to add to that, a person must believe that Christ, the son of God died for their sin at Calvary, they must repent of their sin and ask him into their life as Lord and Saviour, believing this has been done, at that point they have right standing with God, then they go on to what I previously described
I am happy to add to that, a person must believe that Christ, the son of God died for their sin at Calvary, they must repent of their sin and ask him into their life as Lord and Saviour, believing this has been done, at that point they have right standing with God, then they go on to what I previously described
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The Gospel is like a car.
In order to drive from A to B there are many factors which must be considered.
An engine must be functional. The car must have wheels. The car must have a transmission and drive train. The car must have petrol (gas). Also there needs to be a driver for the vehicle to operate.
It can be a true statement to tell someone "fill the car with gas and you'll be able to get from A to B."
It's a true statement. Yet that statement is conditional on the wheels being there, an engine being there, the transmission and drive train being present. etc. You remove one of those factors and the car is non-functional.
It is the same with salvation. The Bible does say "whoseover believes will be saved." Yet you cannot take that statement and remove it from the context of all the other things the Bible states.
False theologies isolate statements and build their systems upon them. They then ignore or explain away the other statements as not meaning what they actually state.
The Bible is designed in such a way that there is plenty of rope for those of a dishonest disposition to hang themselves.
If someone truly wants to believe something then they will.
Truth is truth and truth is reality and reality is truth. Opinions are inconsequential when measured against the truth. It is our responsibility to ensure that we are honest enough to align ourselves with the truth whatever it may be.
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
In order to drive from A to B there are many factors which must be considered.
An engine must be functional. The car must have wheels. The car must have a transmission and drive train. The car must have petrol (gas). Also there needs to be a driver for the vehicle to operate.
It can be a true statement to tell someone "fill the car with gas and you'll be able to get from A to B."
It's a true statement. Yet that statement is conditional on the wheels being there, an engine being there, the transmission and drive train being present. etc. You remove one of those factors and the car is non-functional.
It is the same with salvation. The Bible does say "whoseover believes will be saved." Yet you cannot take that statement and remove it from the context of all the other things the Bible states.
False theologies isolate statements and build their systems upon them. They then ignore or explain away the other statements as not meaning what they actually state.
The Bible is designed in such a way that there is plenty of rope for those of a dishonest disposition to hang themselves.
If someone truly wants to believe something then they will.
Truth is truth and truth is reality and reality is truth. Opinions are inconsequential when measured against the truth. It is our responsibility to ensure that we are honest enough to align ourselves with the truth whatever it may be.
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
"While we SEEK to be justified" is key in that verse.
Would you add "laying aside ALL filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness" as a condition to "receive the implanted word" ????
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
My whole objection to what is being taught in the church system really boils down to "doing." The church system generally teaches that "doing is subsequent" to salvation and that salvation is not conditional on "doing."
Would you add "laying aside ALL filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness" as a condition to "receive the implanted word" ????
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
My whole objection to what is being taught in the church system really boils down to "doing." The church system generally teaches that "doing is subsequent" to salvation and that salvation is not conditional on "doing."
It baffles you because you do not understand the new covenant
This is the covennat I will make with them after that time declares the Lord
I will put my laws in their hearts and write them on their minds
Then he adds:
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Heb10:16&17
If you understood the above you would not be baffled.
Now the following baffles me
The core fr Paul's Gospel is that sin shall not be a persons master for they are not under law but under grace
John gives us the biblical definition of sin
Transgression of the law
Yet you say a person cannot have rightstanding with God until sin has ceased
Therefore you are saying a person has a righteousness before God of obediance to the law/they can have no rightstanding with God until vthe law is upheld/obeyed
You can try and turn that round(as I am sure you will)
But John gave us the definition of sin
It truly baffles me that you cannot accept the core of the apostle Paul's doctrine.
I repeat, if you understood Heb10:16&17 I imagine you would
While we seek to be justified is indeed key
For if we are seeking to be justified in Christ we are trusting Christ and must therefore be a Christian.
Paul makes so clear the situation
If I rebuild what I destroyed I prove that I am a lawbreaker.
I repeat, if you have to lay aside your sin/be free of sin in order to be accepted by God, you have to be under the law
That is not my interpretation BTW but scriptures. for John gives the definition of sin
Transgression of the law
I repeat, sin will not be our master, for we do not have rightstanding before God of law keeping/whether we are sinners or not
But you say our being accepoted by God hinges on us obeying the law/ceasing sin
For if we are seeking to be justified in Christ we are trusting Christ and must therefore be a Christian.
Paul makes so clear the situation
If I rebuild what I destroyed I prove that I am a lawbreaker.
I repeat, if you have to lay aside your sin/be free of sin in order to be accepted by God, you have to be under the law
That is not my interpretation BTW but scriptures. for John gives the definition of sin
Transgression of the law
I repeat, sin will not be our master, for we do not have rightstanding before God of law keeping/whether we are sinners or not
But you say our being accepoted by God hinges on us obeying the law/ceasing sin
No it is not twisting Skinski. But obviously you are desperate to say it is
I did not make up myself the definition of sin. John tells us plainly what that definition is
And this is why your Gospel is so dangerous
You cannot say sin must cease in order for a person to be saved/accepted by God, without in reality saying the law must be upheld/obeyed in order for a person to be accepted by God
Try and evade that if you wsh but it is the truth
As for the verses you put forth
Once again, you need to understand the new covenant. If a person accepted Christ as their saviour and wilfully without caring about it sinned to their hearts content, no they were never saved in the first place
But, once again, Heb 10:16&17
They are desperate to see victory over the sin by faith in Christ, not according to law/a righteousness of their own, for as Paul said that must fail(Gal2:16&17)
I did not make up myself the definition of sin. John tells us plainly what that definition is
And this is why your Gospel is so dangerous
You cannot say sin must cease in order for a person to be saved/accepted by God, without in reality saying the law must be upheld/obeyed in order for a person to be accepted by God
Try and evade that if you wsh but it is the truth
As for the verses you put forth
Once again, you need to understand the new covenant. If a person accepted Christ as their saviour and wilfully without caring about it sinned to their hearts content, no they were never saved in the first place
But, once again, Heb 10:16&17
They are desperate to see victory over the sin by faith in Christ, not according to law/a righteousness of their own, for as Paul said that must fail(Gal2:16&17)
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Acts 2
The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
Peter’s Sermon at Pentecost
14But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b 16But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
17 “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
18 even on my male servantsc and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
19 And I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke;
20 the sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,
before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.
21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’
22“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. 25For David says concerning him,
“‘I saw the Lord always before me,
for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced;
my flesh also will dwell in hope.
27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’
29“Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,
“‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
35 until I make your enemies your footstool.’
36Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
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The Fellowship of the Believers
42And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43And awed came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.
The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”
Peter’s Sermon at Pentecost
14But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b 16But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
17 “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
18 even on my male servantsc and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
19 And I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke;
20 the sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,
before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.
21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’
22“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. 25For David says concerning him,
“‘I saw the Lord always before me,
for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced;
my flesh also will dwell in hope.
27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’
29“Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,
“‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
35 until I make your enemies your footstool.’
36Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
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THEN WHAT?
The Fellowship of the Believers
42And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43And awed came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.
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Sir, according to your above statements Christians will get to Heaven regardless of obeying God therefore obedience is disconnected from faith; it is merely optional. You believe Christians can live in partial obedience to God which is essentially walking on the broad and narrow way simultaneously, indulging in worldly pleasures once in a while whilst remaining justified just as Noah could have jumped out of the ark occasionally and not drown. These doctrines you have bought into essentially encourage an extra form of believers, carnal ones who share the same fate as faithful believers - Heaven. That is a lie from Satan. One is either on the broad way to destruction or narrow way to life, there is no middle ground. These doctrines not only pose as stumbling blocks to spiritual growth, they coddle carnal Christians by giving them false assurance of salvation when in reality they are on the road to damnation. What a pity!
The foolish virgins probably believed they were eternally secured and could not lose their salvation that's why they didn't take extra oil for their lamps, but what was the result? "I know you not". Similarly, multitude of Christians who think they could live however they wish and still inherit the kingdom will be greatly disappointed to hear "I know you not" on Judgment day.
I believe in a greater grace that enables us to deny ungodliness in this present world, not some weak grace that simply condones willful ongoing disobedience. Titus 2:11-14
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;[not in the future world to come]
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
God’s call to obedience and righteous living is not impossible because His abundant grace and Spirit enables us. With God all things are possible.
1 Peter 1:14-16
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written,Be ye holy; for I am holy. This is addressing believers: Heb 12:14-15
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Sin can defile a believer and cause spiritual death but you say it cannot.
All these admonitions would not be in the scriptures if believers can live however they like and still enter Heaven.
on the path?
you are either saved or you're not.
you've either come to saving faith or not.
you're either born from above and will be conformed to Christ or you're not.
do you know what justified means? full aquittal < NOT GUILTY.
do you think God only empowers SOME to live the Christian life? because that is NOT what scripture teaches.
is Jesus only the author and perfecter of the faith (which they were given as a GIFT) of some?
John 5:24
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.
1 John 3:14
We know that we have departed from death into life by this: Because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother remains in death.
^ if anyone is out there slamming Christians; not gathering together; lone ranger "i'm not a sinner but those christians are" remains in death.
John gave that inspired TEST whereby we can SEE if we are in the faith.
by that love for all things Christian we KNOW we have been given a new heart.
if we now love the christians we used to despise (like Paul), we KNOW we have passed from death to life.
even the ones certain people keep calling carnal.
teach them. instead of standing back thanking God He didn't make you one of them.
teaching LAW LAW LAW to a new convert who already heard the proclamation against him!
when certain people continually go on and on about their obedience and performance, looking down on others saying "pity"..... i know they are not attending church, presenting themselves to God as a body.
if they were, they would know that everyone has received the new birth at different times.
the new convert is not going to know what the old hand knows.
and i just hope that old hand isn't sitting eating with their own kind only - < sinning!
what an awful handling of that parable.
that's about dying without the Gospel of Jesus Christ - it was about Israel.
falling asleep before being saved. and rising in the resurrection to be condemned.
it's NOT about christians.
i know you not in that parable means - I don't know where you came from. you never came to Me.
I never knew you.
those awful seeker driven auditoriums.
so what are doing about it?
Who did the purifying?
Who gave Himself for whom?
Who did the redeeming?
Romans 8
28And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,g for those who are called according to his purpose. 29For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can beh against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us
"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly,"
are you actually teaching new converts?
how do they come to know how to live?
by someone talking and talking about a "greater grace"?
or by actually living it daily and encouraging and teaching and building and assembling FOR LIFE?
are you committing yourself to even one single convert for life?
are you picking up their kids and taking the kids to church when they can't go?
are you going to the hospital to see the old woman who suffered a stroke and can't be with the church anymore?
are you staying behind to clean the bathrooms at church?
are you giving money to your pastor's wife so she can buy new shoes?
what good works are you actually zealous for?
no, His call is not impossible.
Christs yoke is light and He is meek and lowly at heart.
do you know what righteous living is?
is it sitting back glad you're not sinning?
no...that just means you're not sinning.
that's a blank slate.
that's not actually DOING righteously.
what is? talking about not sinning?
is it serving your neighbor when no one is looking?
is it living at peace in your town?
is it using just weights and measures?
is it being a good mother?
is it being a good daughter?
is it respecting the bus driver?
is it getting old and dying gracefully?
is it giving thanks in every single thing you do and even in what you suffer?
tell me.
what's that greater grace for?
you are either saved or you're not.
you've either come to saving faith or not.
you're either born from above and will be conformed to Christ or you're not.
do you know what justified means? full aquittal < NOT GUILTY.
do you think God only empowers SOME to live the Christian life? because that is NOT what scripture teaches.
is Jesus only the author and perfecter of the faith (which they were given as a GIFT) of some?
John 5:24
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.
1 John 3:14
We know that we have departed from death into life by this: Because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother remains in death.
^ if anyone is out there slamming Christians; not gathering together; lone ranger "i'm not a sinner but those christians are" remains in death.
John gave that inspired TEST whereby we can SEE if we are in the faith.
by that love for all things Christian we KNOW we have been given a new heart.
if we now love the christians we used to despise (like Paul), we KNOW we have passed from death to life.
even the ones certain people keep calling carnal.
teach them. instead of standing back thanking God He didn't make you one of them.
teaching LAW LAW LAW to a new convert who already heard the proclamation against him!
when certain people continually go on and on about their obedience and performance, looking down on others saying "pity"..... i know they are not attending church, presenting themselves to God as a body.
if they were, they would know that everyone has received the new birth at different times.
the new convert is not going to know what the old hand knows.
and i just hope that old hand isn't sitting eating with their own kind only - < sinning!
what an awful handling of that parable.
that's about dying without the Gospel of Jesus Christ - it was about Israel.
falling asleep before being saved. and rising in the resurrection to be condemned.
it's NOT about christians.
i know you not in that parable means - I don't know where you came from. you never came to Me.
I never knew you.
those awful seeker driven auditoriums.
so what are doing about it?
Who did the purifying?
Who gave Himself for whom?
Who did the redeeming?
Romans 8
28And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,g for those who are called according to his purpose. 29For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
31What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can beh against us? 32He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us
"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly,"
are you actually teaching new converts?
how do they come to know how to live?
by someone talking and talking about a "greater grace"?
or by actually living it daily and encouraging and teaching and building and assembling FOR LIFE?
are you committing yourself to even one single convert for life?
are you picking up their kids and taking the kids to church when they can't go?
are you going to the hospital to see the old woman who suffered a stroke and can't be with the church anymore?
are you staying behind to clean the bathrooms at church?
are you giving money to your pastor's wife so she can buy new shoes?
what good works are you actually zealous for?
no, His call is not impossible.
Christs yoke is light and He is meek and lowly at heart.
do you know what righteous living is?
is it sitting back glad you're not sinning?
no...that just means you're not sinning.
that's a blank slate.
that's not actually DOING righteously.
what is? talking about not sinning?
is it serving your neighbor when no one is looking?
is it living at peace in your town?
is it using just weights and measures?
is it being a good mother?
is it being a good daughter?
is it respecting the bus driver?
is it getting old and dying gracefully?
is it giving thanks in every single thing you do and even in what you suffer?
tell me.
what's that greater grace for?
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I have seen people who live in sin,and they are alright with it and say I am weak u know,there is no breaking of heart,no longing for repentance to such I say u need to be saved.
However,for instance I have a friend who struggles with same sex attraction but is fighting it,counting his emotion as loss,carry his cross to follow Christ.
Another mate who struggled with lying,however he said it broke his heart everytime he lied,he overcame such besetting sin by crying out to God all night.
We are to fight sin,grow more n more in holiness,
But when a person claims to be perfect,n he sins no more is a lier.
Its only by his merits we r counted right before him.
However,for instance I have a friend who struggles with same sex attraction but is fighting it,counting his emotion as loss,carry his cross to follow Christ.
Another mate who struggled with lying,however he said it broke his heart everytime he lied,he overcame such besetting sin by crying out to God all night.
We are to fight sin,grow more n more in holiness,
But when a person claims to be perfect,n he sins no more is a lier.
Its only by his merits we r counted right before him.