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Again, you display your mis-understanding of the Trinity.
Your example is flawed because the dad is the brother is the son, in your situation.
However, in the Trinity, the Father is NOT the Son is NOT the Spirit.
Each is the one God - but they are NOT each other.
See the clear difference?
Gnaw on that for awhile.....
Your example is flawed because the dad is the brother is the son, in your situation.
However, in the Trinity, the Father is NOT the Son is NOT the Spirit.
Each is the one God - but they are NOT each other.
See the clear difference?
Gnaw on that for awhile.....
Originally Posted by zone
nathan - we are the morning stars who sang.
we pre-exist meaning; came from heaven before we where born here on earth .
God does have us up there standing by in order to enter the earth to take part in Salvation.
We are here on a mission to work with our brothers and sister to help the 1/3 who took part in Satan's rebellion, us who are the loyal children to God, who stood firm for God in the rebellion in the First Earth Age.
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how dare you forge what i wrote and not make it plain?
correct it.
nathan - we are the morning stars who sang.
we pre-exist meaning; came from heaven before we where born here on earth .
God does have us up there standing by in order to enter the earth to take part in Salvation.
We are here on a mission to work with our brothers and sister to help the 1/3 who took part in Satan's rebellion, us who are the loyal children to God, who stood firm for God in the rebellion in the First Earth Age.
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how dare you forge what i wrote and not make it plain?
correct it.
J
I think you are confusing the Son of man and the Son of God. The Son of God, i.e. the Father, is Jehovah. The Son of Man refers to the humanity.
In case you haven't noticed, the child born to Mary has been "called" the Son of God by almost every religion claiming to be based on Christianity.
Finally, "this is my Son" refers to the Spirit that came from the Body and rested upon it again.
In your defence, however, these things don't come to light if you haven't been shown that everything, and I mean EVERYTHING comes from the only true God, the Father, and that Jehovah was given the title of God by Him. Jehovah is the creator. The Father is the designer. The Body is a gift from the Father and was gifted back to Him by Jehovah.
In case you haven't noticed, the child born to Mary has been "called" the Son of God by almost every religion claiming to be based on Christianity.
Finally, "this is my Son" refers to the Spirit that came from the Body and rested upon it again.
In your defence, however, these things don't come to light if you haven't been shown that everything, and I mean EVERYTHING comes from the only true God, the Father, and that Jehovah was given the title of God by Him. Jehovah is the creator. The Father is the designer. The Body is a gift from the Father and was gifted back to Him by Jehovah.
C
I wouldn't be celebrating just yet. I don't necessarily hold to a trinitarian or oneness view. Christ's duality is plainly sketched out for us in Scripture however, there's very little in the Bible that distinguishes the Holy Spirit apart from God other than possessing a separate name from God.
From what I gather from Scripture, unlike Christ, the Holy Spirit does not seem to possess a will or voice apart from the Father thus the Holy Spirit is God's spiritual manifestation, His spiritual hands and feet, in the physical realm.
From what I gather from Scripture, unlike Christ, the Holy Spirit does not seem to possess a will or voice apart from the Father thus the Holy Spirit is God's spiritual manifestation, His spiritual hands and feet, in the physical realm.
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First of all, "Son of Man" comes from Da 7:13-14. It is an OT term.
Secondly, when "Man" is used that way in the Hebrew, it means the original model, or the archetype of man.
It is not a reference to his humanity, but a statement that he is the original pattern, he is THE man.
Thirdly, the Son of God is not the Father, he is the Son.
You distort the obvious and plain meaning of the NT.
Relevance?
Did you expect him to be "called" the Son of Joseph?
Only when words cease to have meaning.
So, you've no objection to at least two divine persons, Father and Jehovah?
I favor the way the NT presents them (bein' the word of God written, 'n all).
Secondly, when "Man" is used that way in the Hebrew, it means the original model, or the archetype of man.
It is not a reference to his humanity, but a statement that he is the original pattern, he is THE man.
Thirdly, the Son of God is not the Father, he is the Son.
You distort the obvious and plain meaning of the NT.
Relevance?
Did you expect him to be "called" the Son of Joseph?
Only when words cease to have meaning.
So, you've no objection to at least two divine persons, Father and Jehovah?
I favor the way the NT presents them (bein' the word of God written, 'n all).
And that's where you should start.
Jesus said he would send the Holy Spirit as a Comforter.
Why not just say he would send the Father as a Comforter?
Jesus' revelation (Heb 1;1-2), which is the NT, presents three separate agents (persons) for a reason.
What "spiritual" manifestion?
God is spirit.
What "spiritual manifestation" would he employ?
God is spirit, why isn't he his own spiritual hands and feet in the spiritual realm?
Why the redundancy?
It's not about "manifestation," it's about functions, three separate divine agents with three separate functions, in the one divine being.
Father, Son and Spirit are the same divine being, in three persons, who have always existed, without beginning or end.
The Son didn't originate in Mary.
And there will be no will or voice of these eternal agents (revealed to be persons) apart from one another, because they are the same being.
Jesus said he would send the Holy Spirit as a Comforter.
Why not just say he would send the Father as a Comforter?
Jesus' revelation (Heb 1;1-2), which is the NT, presents three separate agents (persons) for a reason.
What "spiritual" manifestion?
God is spirit.
What "spiritual manifestation" would he employ?
God is spirit, why isn't he his own spiritual hands and feet in the spiritual realm?
Why the redundancy?
It's not about "manifestation," it's about functions, three separate divine agents with three separate functions, in the one divine being.
Father, Son and Spirit are the same divine being, in three persons, who have always existed, without beginning or end.
The Son didn't originate in Mary.
And there will be no will or voice of these eternal agents (revealed to be persons) apart from one another, because they are the same being.
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i shoulda held out for the summary:
Elin:
Elin:
1) A double standard is used in requiring others "not to make statements without backing them up,"
while no Biblical backup is provided for his statements.
2) YOU SEE IT OR YOU DON'T is used as a cop-out in lieu of dealing with the Scriptures presented to him.
3 The alleged error is universal regarding the "Son of God."
The Father, the angel Gabriel, Jesus, John the Baptist, the apostles, even the demons (Mt 4:3, 6; Lk 4:41, 8:27-28) got it wrong about Jesus being God's one and only Son.
That's pretty much it.
P
@ eagleridge---
Paul, hey there.
I am going to assume you attend a church where this sophistry is taught,
so, if you will, please tell us which brand of non-trinitarianism do you belong to.
The list grows long, so...JWs? Mormoms? Oneness Pentacostals? Islam? Christadelphians?
Thanks for responding-
ellie
Paul, hey there.
I am going to assume you attend a church where this sophistry is taught,
so, if you will, please tell us which brand of non-trinitarianism do you belong to.
The list grows long, so...JWs? Mormoms? Oneness Pentacostals? Islam? Christadelphians?
Thanks for responding-
ellie
Yes, Jesus was a second Adam (Ro 5:14; 1Co 15:45), the perfect man on a trial of his obedience.
Jesus had the power to disobey.
The first Adam failed his trial, the second (last) Adam did not, therefore, making Jesus fit as a perfectly righteous sacrifice of atonement for sin (Ro 3:25), whose righteousness is then given to those who believe in him (Ro 3:22, 4:13; 5:19).
What does "overridden by the Spirit" mean?
Jesus had the power to disobey.
The first Adam failed his trial, the second (last) Adam did not, therefore, making Jesus fit as a perfectly righteous sacrifice of atonement for sin (Ro 3:25), whose righteousness is then given to those who believe in him (Ro 3:22, 4:13; 5:19).
What does "overridden by the Spirit" mean?
Elin,
ma maison est ta maison
since my horse and driver are not available,
i am making other arrangements.
invitation forthcoming.
~
Matthew 22
The Great Commandment
34But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38This is the great and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Whose Son Is the Christ?
41Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, 42saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?” They said to him, “The son of David.” 43He said to them, “How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,
44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
until I put your enemies under your feet’?
45If then David calls him Lord, how is he his son?” 46And no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did anyone dare to ask him any more questions.
ma maison est ta maison
since my horse and driver are not available,
i am making other arrangements.
invitation forthcoming.
~
Matthew 22
The Great Commandment
34But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38This is the great and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Whose Son Is the Christ?
41Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, 42saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?” They said to him, “The son of David.” 43He said to them, “How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,
44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
until I put your enemies under your feet’?
45If then David calls him Lord, how is he his son?” 46And no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did anyone dare to ask him any more questions.
E
Oh but it is Elin -trust me IT IS - THE REVELATION came from God's Word - all of IT based on the Word - as soon as you made reference to the Son again and again and again, I knew you DIDN'T SEE IT - you're looking at it through TRINITARIAN glasses...HUMAN REASONING...and I can't fault you for that ....but trust me...you're stuck in a human warp zone and until you allow the Holy Spirit to lead you...you'll die there ...are you born again?...did you receive the Holy Ghost as per the Scriptures I quoted? .......I would venture to guess based on what you hold fast to....you haven't .....it's like trying to defend Christianity to a person that doesn't believe in the Bible...we have nowhere else to go - said it all ...YOU SEE IT OR YOU DON'T ........'nuff said...Lord bless - Paul
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Elin,
ma maison est ta maison
since my horse and driver are not available,
i am making other arrangements.
invitation forthcoming.
~
Matthew 22
The Great Commandment
34But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38This is the great and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Whose Son Is the Christ?
41Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, 42saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?” They said to him, “The son of David.” 43He said to them, “How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,
44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
until I put your enemies under your feet’?
45If then David calls him Lord, how is he his son?” 46And no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did anyone dare to ask him any more questions.
ma maison est ta maison
since my horse and driver are not available,
i am making other arrangements.
invitation forthcoming.
~
Matthew 22
The Great Commandment
34But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38This is the great and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Whose Son Is the Christ?
41Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, 42saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?” They said to him, “The son of David.” 43He said to them, “How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,
44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
until I put your enemies under your feet’?
45If then David calls him Lord, how is he his son?” 46And no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did anyone dare to ask him any more questions.