homosexuality

[cfultz3]

One more time. Human behavior is considered 'sin' by God because humans are imperfect. I - if "I" am the one you're referring to - am not excusing the 'sins' of anyone. I personally don't care because we are all human and in the same boat. I am simply saying (and, once again I say) that EVERYONE is a biblical 'sinner'. AND, since everyone IS a biblical sinner NO ONE can single out anyone else for being 'a sinner'. Understand?

REminder!
The thread is called, "Re: homosexuality." So, in a thread called that, then that would be what people will be talking about. You cannot blame all when it is only a few in a damnable hateful place (whatever the name of that church is called).

But, then again, if you go to a thread named: "Re: is murdering sinful", then I am sure you will see a lot of people talking about how murdering is wrong.

By no means am I trying to be sarcastic, but keeping it real.

 

[BarlyGurl]

<<<The Bible is clear. Sin is sin.>>>>

UMMM... My bibles ALL make very clear distinctions some sins are ABOMINATIONS and also outlines various penal penalties for an assortment of sins which have various degrees of egregiousness. NO where does the bible say SIN IS SIN as to imply that all sins are equal and therefore we should make no judgement concerning degree of offense... either of ourselves or before God.

 

[cfultz3]

NO ONE can single out anyone else for being 'a sinner'. Understand?

All the old phophets, Jesus, and the Apostles did. If we cannot point out to a sinner what is contrary to God, then how will they be saved? Were not they all sent out to show God's will?

Repent!!! Repent of what? That!!!!

 

[RickShafer]

One more time. Human behavior is considered 'sin' by God because humans are imperfect.This is an assumption in error - Because we are not perfect does not mean we are continually sinning; - or else where comes in faith? I - if "I" am the one you're referring to - am not excusing the 'sins' of anyone. I personally don't care because we are all human and in the same boat. I am simply saying (and, once again I say) that EVERYONE is a biblical 'sinner'. AND, since everyone IS a biblical sinner NO ONE can single out anyone else for being 'a sinner'. Understand? Again, who is singling out a single soul? Is not sin, sin? Or is sin holiness? Can we not judge what is right from wrong? You tell me.

 

[KCKID]

Stop comparing sins please.

This should be glaringly obvious but I'll explain yet again. I'm only 'comparing sins' because homosexuality is SO highlighted by SO many Christians that it's seen to be 'the sin of sins' and, in fact, the only 'sin' that they ever address. That you can't see that and therefore understand my reasoning for doing so is not my fault.

The difference that I see between pro-homosexual philosophy and the other sins you name is that those guilty of those sins by and large KNOW they are wrong.

Excuse me? One's sexual predisposition to others of the same gender OR those predisposed sexually to the opposite gender for that matter has NOTHING to do with 'sin'. They are simply WHO they are. As for the others spoken of who, by and large KNOW they are wrong ...I have never known one instance where a divorced/remarried couple has announced that they were wrong and therefore had their relationship annulled in order to make it right. Besides that, how can you claim to KNOW (and the word even bolded at that) what people acknowledge and don't acknowledge?

Whereas the practicing homosexual trumpets his right to sin.

He/she 'trumpets' his/her right to equality as a human being. It has nothing to do with a right to 'sin'. That's just mainstream Christian rhetoric.

 

[RickShafer]

This should be glaringly obvious but I'll explain yet again. I'm only 'comparing sins' because homosexuality is SO highlighted by SO many Christians that it's seen to be 'the sin of sins' and, in fact, the only 'sin' that they ever address. That you can't see that and therefore understand my reasoning for doing so is not my fault.It is not the only sin addressed, in fact it is rarely addressed except to those who look for it.



Excuse me? One's sexual predisposition(no such thing) to others of the same gender OR those predisposed(God made me thus - it is His fault) sexually to the opposite gender for that matter has NOTHING to do with 'sin'.- (So you say, every man's ways are right in his own eyes) They are simply WHO they are.(We are all simply "WHO we are"......Jeffry Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy were simply "WHO they were") As for the others spoken of who, by and large KNOW they are wrong ...I have never known one instance where a divorced/remarried couple has announced that they were wrong and therefore had their relationship annulled in order to make it right. Besides that, how can you claim to KNOW (and the word even bolded at that) what people acknowledge and don't acknowledge?(I know nothing except what the Holy Writ tells me - such as the effeminate and abusers of themselves with mankind will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.)



He/she 'trumpets' his/her right to equality as a human being.(God made me this way!) It has nothing to do with a right to 'sin'. That's just mainstream Christian rhetoric.(Yes, it is something followers of Christ repeat......because they have not only read it, but the Holy Spirit reaffirms it to their souls - as He does the sins of pornography, adultery, lying, thievery, covetousness and murder)

 

[KCKID]

Who's singling out a single soul?

Well, I would call a homosexual a single soul. And, this thread, as I'm reminded, is about the soul's that are known as homosexuals. These souls ARE being singled out and condemned by scripture (well, by Christians anyway), are they not?

Why would you consider the assigning of homosexuality as sin as a personal affront?

Well, let me put it this way. I'm assuming that you are a Christian and, as a Christian, you therefore believe that the only way to salvation is through Jesus ...right? In other words, 'unbelief' in Jesus is regarded as a 'sin' and the one with unbelief will perish. Also right? If I am a Jew, a Muslim, a Buddhist, etc. etc. I stand before you, a Christian, as someone who does not know Jesus. According to you the way to salvation is through Jesus so therefore I am, according to you, a 'sinner' who will perish, or worse ...suffer eternal torment. Right? Would it not be natural for me to feel your judgment of me to be a personal affront? I am what I am. How dare you refer to me as a 'sinner'. The same with a homosexual person. And, especially if they claim to be a Jesus-follower. They are what they are. And, what ARE they in actuality? They are a treasure of God.

 

[Elizabeth619]

KCKID do you consider other sexual sins as harmful as homosexuality? In just curious and have no desire to contradict you no matter your answer. You're obviously an intelligent guy. I just want to know your view.

Some think homosexuality is "worse" than adultery, formication and so on. What's your take on it? You can pm me your answer if you'd prefer to do that. I have no desire to be controversial.
You actually intrigue me.

 

[RickShafer]

You liking the tube steak?
You liking the affinity with the ways of the world?
You making an excuse for your 'predisposed' sin?
The first step is towards the cross, (like the rest of us).
Or else you are dead in your trespasses and sins.

 

[BarlyGurl]

The same with a homosexual person. And, especially if they claim to be a Jesus-follower. They are what they are. And, what ARE they in actuality? They are a treasure of God.

ABSOLUTELY NO HUMAN being who ABIDES IN CHRIST is a homosexual. A person who ONCE practiced homosexuality who ABIDES IN CHRIST is either a eunuch or heterosexual. NO WHERE in the bible does it say homosexuals are a TREASURE OF GOD. YOU type LYING WORDS.

 

[RickShafer]

Well, I would call a homosexual a single soul.And, this thread, as I'm reminded, is about the soul's that are known as homosexuals. These souls ARE being singled out and condemned by scripture (well, by Christians anyway), are they not?



Well, let me put it this way. I'm assuming that you are a Christian and, as a Christian, you therefore believe that the only way to salvation is through Jesus ...right?*(Ha! We didn't make that one up. Jesus Himself said He is the way the truth and the life.) In other words, 'unbelief' in Jesus is regarded as a 'sin' and the one with unbelief will perish. Also right? If I am a Jew, a Muslim, a Buddhist, etc. etc. I stand before you, a Christian, as someone who does not know Jesus.(Jesus said He is the way, truth and life; .....and He not only said it, He paid for it with a perfect life!) - (I claim nothing) According to you(and Jesus) the way to salvation is through Jesus so therefore I am, according to you, a 'sinner' who will perish, or worse ...suffer eternal torment. Right?(Absolutely, your philosophy: though heralded by the world will separate you from God forever) Would it not be natural for me to feel your judgment of me to be a personal affront?(The gospel is an affront - you don't need me) I am what I am.(We all are what we are) How dare you refer to me as a 'sinner'.(I'm sorry, I didn't call you lost, - the Holy Spirit speaking through Paul, and Moses did - You are offended by them....not so much the Apostle Paul, or Moses; but the Holy Spirit) The same with a homosexual person. And, especially if they claim to be a Jesus-follower.(The people that had Jesus killed claimed to follow God; claims made by the heart of mankind tend to say they are always right. - That's why we need the Holy Writ) They are what they are. And, what ARE they in actuality? They are a treasure of God.(Treasures of God that misuse their bodies for their own carnal pleasure to their eternal separation - destruction.)

 

[KCKID]

This should be glaringly obvious but I'll explain yet again. I'm only 'comparing sins' because homosexuality is SO highlighted by SO many Christians that it's seen to be 'the sin of sins' and, in fact, the only 'sin' that they ever address. That you can't see that and therefore understand my reasoning for doing so is not my fault.It is not the only sin addressed, in fact it is rarely addressed except to those who look for it.

You are surely not serious ...? The matter of homosexuality has been responsible for any number of Churches being torn apart, fragmented and divided into different branches of the same denominations. And why? Because someone or a bunch of someones interpreted certain scriptures a certain way and passed this down through the ages to their flock.

Excuse me? One's sexual predisposition (no such thing)

Um ...is that what we do around here ...make willy-nilly statements that are supposed to be regarded as fact?

to others of the same gender OR those predisposed(God made me thus - it is His fault)

It is not a 'fault' - either of God or the individual - for one to be gay. Why are you saying that?

sexually to the opposite gender for that matter has NOTHING to do with 'sin'.- (So you say, every man's ways are right in his own eyes)

The street runs in both directions. You are claiming to be right in your own eyes, are you not?

They are simply WHO they are.(We are all simply "WHO we are"......Jeffry Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy were simply "WHO they were")

How demeaning (as well as ridiculous) to compare one's sexual orientation with serial killers. Come on, Rick, you surely can do better than that.

As for the others spoken of who, by and large KNOW they are wrong ...I have never known one instance where a divorced/remarried couple has announced that they were wrong and therefore had their relationship annulled in order to make it right. Besides that, how can you claim to KNOW (and the word even bolded at that) what people acknowledge and don't acknowledge?(I know nothing except what the Holy Writ tells me - such as the effeminate and abusers of themselves with mankind will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.)

Where did Jesus say that? Besides, you left off a WHOLE bunch of 'sins' from Paul's list ...many of which point the finger at ALL of us ...including Paul. But then, to Paul's credit he DID refer to himself as the chief of sinners. Would that other Christians might be as bold and forthright as was Paul ...!

He/she 'trumpets' his/her right to equality as a human being.(God made me this way!)

And you know something that the rest of us don't know? Assuming you're straight ...did God make you straight?

It has nothing to do with a right to 'sin'. That's just mainstream Christian rhetoric.(Yes, it is something followers of Christ repeat......because they have not only read it, but the Holy Spirit reaffirms it to their souls - as He does the sins of pornography, adultery, lying, thievery, covetousness and murder)

Repeat: One's sexual orientation - be it gay or straight - is not and cannot be a sin. That said, one - be they gay or straight - WILL 'sin' by virtue of their human-ness.

 

[RickShafer]

Going on answering each other with contradictions and misunderstandings is useless.
Let's get down to it......
Are you a practicing sodomite?
Do you have sexual relations with men?
Just asking.
Please be truthful.
I'll answer for myself, - I don't.

 

[RickShafer]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Also:

Deuteronomy 27:21
Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Just another sexual conquest.......man, beast, children(NAMBLA)....whatever. -
See - the whole of the alternative lifestyle is self sexual gratification - by any means necessary.
Why is the average age of a homosexual 41.6 years? Because it was the way they were made?
- In other words, because it was God's will?

 

[RickShafer]

Repeat: One's sexual orientation - be it gay or straight - is not and cannot be a sin. That said, one - be they gay or straight - WILL 'sin' by virtue of their human-ness.

Well then, I see.......maybe I like wildebeasts.
Let's say I'm really sexually attracted to four footed beasts? - That's O.K. (you say) - that was
just the way I was made!
Maybe I'm really, really attracted to salamanders..........It's just the way I was made!!!
What if I was really, really, I mean really sexually attracted to Postal Kiosks.
- - - Just the way I was made!!
(Do you not see the discontinuem of natural law here?)
- Oh, you see it now- (concerning beasts and reptiles and inanimate objects), but not concerning men lusting for each other - (read Romans Chapter 1: and see the reprobate mind God gives them over to).
Infact, the unnatural lust was an occurrence AFTER He gave them up.

 

[KCKID]

The same with a homosexual person. And, especially if they claim to be a Jesus-follower. They are what they are. And, what ARE they in actuality? They are a treasure of God.

ABSOLUTELY NO HUMAN being who ABIDES IN CHRIST is a homosexual. A person who ONCE practiced homosexuality who ABIDES IN CHRIST is either a eunuch or heterosexual. NO WHERE in the bible does it say homosexuals are a TREASURE OF GOD. YOU type LYING WORDS.

My only comment to this is ...nonsense . . .

 

[BarlyGurl]

My only comment to this is ...nonsense . . .

and I am not the least bit surprised.

 

[KCKID]

Going on answering each other with contradictions and misunderstandings is useless.

Yes, similar to ping-pong but not nearly as exhilarating.

Let's get down to it......

Let's . . .

Are you a practicing sodomite?

Not that it's any of your business but I don't and never have participated in idolatry or temple prostitution as per the accurate meaning of 'sodomite'.

Do you have sexual relations with men?

Oooo, I wish ...but no, I don't and don't plan to in the foreseeable future.

Just asking.

Yes, I know.

Please be truthful.

I wouldn't be anything else but I might, if I felt like being rude, tell you to mind your own business.

I'll answer for myself, - I don't.

Well, I really didn't want to know, but ...there ya go ...we're both saints . . .

 

[RickShafer]

Yes, similar to ping-pong but not nearly as exhilarating.



Let's . . .



Not that it's any of your business but I don't and never have participated in idolatry or temple prostitution as per the accurate meaning of 'sodomite'. This is simply a false statement. Sodomite doesn't mean temple prostitution.
It means anal intercourse. Another misrepresentation by you.



Oooo, I wish ...but no, I don't and don't plan to in the foreseeable future. Seeing your sympathy for the act, don't lose hope,
there is always prostitution. - (You could buy it, since you seem to relish it and fixate on it)



Yes, I know.



I wouldn't be anything else but I might, if I felt like being rude, tell you to mind your own business.Defending the Truth is my business.



Well, I really didn't want to know, but ...there ya go ...we're both saints . . .You don't believe in Jesus, you don't believe what He said, you said so yourself a few posts back.

 

[Nautilus]

Naut...pssst....christians don't disagree with the Bible.

this is 101, Naut.
come on.

Thats completely false, because as much as christians harp on the gay verse in leviticus they ignore the ones around it and then say everythingelse was for the jews...but not the gay verse it somehow stuck around through everything else. Besides shouldnt christians be doing something more profitable with their time like feeding the needy or witnessing instead of concerning themselves with what two guys or girls are doing together?