DeMystifying the Trinity

[Eagleridge]

@ eagleridge---

Paul, hey there.
I am going to assume you attend a church where this sophistry is taught,
so, if you will, please tell us which brand of non-trinitarianism do you belong to.

The list grows long, so...JWs? Mormoms? Oneness Pentacostals? Islam? Christadelphians?

Thanks for responding-
ellie

30 YEARS AGO I CRIED OUT TO GOD OUT OF A DESPERATE HEART - "LORD THERE ARE SO MANY DENOMINATIONS...LEAD ME TO THE CHURCH THAT TEACHES AND PREACHES AND LIVES THE DOCTRINE OF THE APOSTLES" - I'VE LEARNED SINCE THEN THAT....THIS IS THE PRAYER GOD IS HOPING TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE THAT IS HUNGRY FOR TRUTH...I CAME FROM A CATHOLIC (TRINITARIAN) BACKGROUND ...I HAD QUESTIONS THAT NEEDED ANSWERING.....HE LED ME TO A ONENESS PENTECOSTAL CHURCH......HAD A BIBLE STUDY....NO TALK OF THE TRINITY OR ONENESS BUT ONE EVENING THE LORD OPENED MY EYES AND REVEALED HIMSELF TO ME...NOT AN APPARITION OR AUDIBLE VOICE BUT THROUGH HIS WORD AND I'VE NEVER LOOKED BACK...THAT EXPERIENCE ONLY DEEPENED AND TODAY I TEACH IT TO "WHOSOEVER WILL" HEAR IT. BUT JUST LIKE IN THE DAYS OF CHRIST AND THE EARLY CHURCH...HIS DOCTRINE IS NOT READILY ACCEPTED......BUT HERE'S THE POINT...DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT SOMEONE CRIES OUT OF A DESPERATE HEART FOR TRUTH...GOD WOULD MISLEAD THEM?.......NOT THE GOD I SERVE....UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH INTERNATIONAL IS THE FASTEST GROWING CHURCH IN THE WORLD TODAY...BIBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIANS THAT HAVE CHOSEN TO TAKE THE NARROW ROAD...NOT THE BROAD WAY....THANK YOU JESUS.....LORD BLESS

 

[Eagleridge]

I wouldn't be celebrating just yet. I don't necessarily hold to a trinitarian or oneness view. Christ's duality is plainly sketched out for us in Scripture however, there's very little in the Bible that distinguishes the Holy Spirit apart from God other than possessing a separate name from God.

From what I gather from Scripture, unlike Christ, the Holy Spirit does not seem to possess a will or voice apart from the Father thus the Holy Spirit is God's spiritual manifestation, His spiritual hands and feet, in the physical realm.

WITHOUT PATRONIZING - YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE IN THIS THREAD THAT GIVES ME HOPE THAT THIS MESSAGE AND THE BURDEN GOD GAVE ME TO BRING IT INTO THIS FORUM IS NOT SHARED IN VAIN - CONTINUE YOUR PURSUIT CROSSFIRE - YOU'RE ABOUT TO GET A REVELATION - LORD BLESS

 

[zone]

@ eagleridge---

Paul, hey there.
I am going to assume you attend a church where this sophistry is taught,
so, if you will, please tell us which brand of non-trinitarianism do you belong to.

The list grows long, so...JWs? Mormoms? Oneness Pentacostals? Islam? Christadelphians?

Thanks for responding-
ellie

el
Christadelphians was my guess...but ya.
who can say?

 

[Eagleridge]

I think you are confusing the Son of man and the Son of God. The Son of God, i.e. the Father, is Jehovah. The Son of Man refers to the humanity.

In case you haven't noticed, the child born to Mary has been "called" the Son of God by almost every religion claiming to be based on Christianity.

Finally, "this is my Son" refers to the Spirit that came from the Body and rested upon it again.

In your defence, however, these things don't come to light if you haven't been shown that everything, and I mean EVERYTHING comes from the only true God, the Father, and that Jehovah was given the title of God by Him. Jehovah is the creator. The Father is the designer. The Body is a gift from the Father and was gifted back to Him by Jehovah.

AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN...AS LONG AS YOU MAKE REFERENCE TO THE TITLES THAT GOD GAVE US TO ACCOMODATE OUR HUMAN UNDERSTANDING TO BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN HIS MANIFESTATIONS, THERE'S NO COMMON GROUND - IT'S LIKE DEBATING SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE ...WITH THE BIBLE...SAME THING....I'VE EXHAUSTED MY BEST EFFORTS TO BRING IT TO LIGHT........YOU SEE IT OR YOU DON'T - LORD BLESS

 

[zone]

AGAIN MORE HUMAN REASONING - CAN'T HELP YOU WITH THAT GIRL - HOLD FAST TO IT - LORD KNOWS I TRIED

huh.....pardon?
what human reasoning eagle?
The Pharisees? LOL ya i reckon.

Matthew 22
The Great Commandment
34But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38This is the great and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Whose Son Is the Christ?
41Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, 42saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?” They said to him, “The son of David.” 43He said to them, “How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,

44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
until I put your enemies under your feet’?

45If then David calls him Lord, how is he his son?” 46And no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did anyone dare to ask him any more questions.

 

[Eagleridge]

[/B]They are probably easier to read for you, only...


[/B]Right here...



[/B]No.

Again, you are fighting a straw-man.How does the Shema supposedly thwart the Trinity?

OH WOW - THAT'S LIKE SHOWING A CHILD ONE FINGER AND TELLING HIM THAT IT REALLY MEANS THREE - WE'RE DONE HERE - LORD BLESS

 

[JLHillsSr]

Every one seems to either forget or dismiss the thought that in the Kingdom of God, time is non-existent. We are not there in the past, but already there. This is faith based.
As far as the morning stars go, they are Jehovah and the Holy Spirit.

those are not my words you used the quote feature on.

just these:
how dare you forge what i wrote and not make it plain?
correct it.

My bad, sorry

 

[zone]

My bad, sorry

not your fault at all.
no worries.

 

[JLHillsSr]

First of all, "Son of Man" comes from Da 7:13-14. It is an OT term.

Secondly, when "Man" is used that way in the Hebrew, it means the original model, or the archetype of man.

It is not a reference to his humanity, but a statement that he is the original pattern, he is THE man.

Thirdly, the Son of God is not the Father, he is the Son.
You distort the obvious and plain meaning of the NT.


Relevance?

Did you expect him to be "called" the Son of Joseph?


Only when words cease to have meaning.


So, you've no objection to at least two divine persons, Father and Jehovah?

I favor the way the NT presents them (bein' the word of God written, 'n all).

WOW! I had no idea I was that hard to understand.
I wasn't calling the Father the Son. I was calling Jehovah the Son of the Father, and the humanity the son of man.
I believe 1 Corinthian 15:45 points out your point on "man" as a general term and also proves my point.
Finaly, I am an avid believer in the Trinity being the Father, Jehovah, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[zone]

WOW! I had no idea I was that hard to understand.
I wasn't calling the Father the Son. I was calling Jehovah the Son of the Father, and the humanity the son of man.
I believe 1 Corinthian 15:45 points out your point on "man" as a general term and also proves my point.
Finaly, I am an avid believer in the Trinity being the Father, Jehovah, and the Holy Spirit.

if Jehovah is the Son,
what is the Father's Name?

Jehovah (pron.: /dʒɨˈhoʊvə/) is the latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, a vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible, which has also been transcribed as "Yehowah" or "Yahweh".[1][2]

 

[Abiding]

Its finally becoming clear

 

[JLHillsSr]

WITHOUT PATRONIZING - YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE IN THIS THREAD THAT GIVES ME HOPE THAT THIS MESSAGE AND THE BURDEN GOD GAVE ME TO BRING IT INTO THIS FORUM IS NOT SHARED IN VAIN - CONTINUE YOUR PURSUIT CROSSFIRE - YOU'RE ABOUT TO GET A REVELATION - LORD BLESS

It is the Holy SPIRIT that is here to find the bride.

 

[mark54]

......BUT HERE'S THE POINT...DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT SOMEONE CRIES OUT OF A DESPERATE HEART FOR TRUTH...GOD WOULD MISLEAD THEM?.......

I am sure Many people cry out to God for truth with a desperate heart. However, many who have done so are in different denominations. I believe most who do so are sincere, but they don't end up agreeing about everything.

People in the same denominations disagree about much I have found
The important thing is to agree about salvational doctrine I would say

 

[JLHillsSr]

if Jehovah is the Son,
what is the Father's Name?

Jehovah (pron.: /dʒɨˈhoʊvə/) is the latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, a vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible, which has also been transcribed as "Yehowah" or "Yahweh".[1][2]

There is no mention of His name, however, he is mentioned and is given all credit by Jehovah.

 

[JLHillsSr]

I am sure Many people cry out to God for truth with a desperate heart. However, many who have done so are in different denominations. I believe most who do so are sincere, but they don't end up agreeing about everything.

People in the same denominations disagree about much I have found
The important thing is to agree about salvational doctrine I would say

There is only one church!
TRUTH AND GRACE!!!!

 

[mark54]

There is only one church!
TRUTH AND GRACE!!!!

How much truth do you need to know to have Grace and be in the one church?

 

[Bowman]

OH WOW - THAT'S LIKE SHOWING A CHILD ONE FINGER AND TELLING HIM THAT IT REALLY MEANS THREE - WE'RE DONE HERE - LORD BLESS

There you go again thinking that the Trinity is THREE...of which, it is not.

It is ONE.

Keep fighting that straw-man while we sit back and watch...

 

[Eagleridge]

There you go again thinking that the Trinity is THREE...of which, it is not.

It is ONE.

Keep fighting that straw-man while we sit back and watch...

LEAVING THIS THREAD WITH ONE PARTING SHOT - BOWMAN - YOUR HEART HAS BEEN HARDENED AT 62 YEARS OLD - NO ROOM FOR GROWTH THERE - WITHOUT THE BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE (ACTS 2:38) .... AND A DETERMINATION TO HOLD ONTO THE TRADITION OF MAN, CONCEIVED 300 YEARS AFTER CHRIST.....YOU'LL NEVER SEE IT MY FRIEND...BY THE ANOINTING OF THE HOLY GHOST I CAME INTO THIS THREAD TO REVEAL THE DOCTRINE OF JESUS CHRIST - YOU'RE STUCK IN MAN'S - MILLIONS BELIEVE IN THE THEORY OF THE TRINITY - AND JUST LIKE IN THE DAYS OF CHRIST...FEW EMBRACE THE DOCTRINE HE PREACHED AND LIVED AND ...AND REVEALS..TODAY...TO THOSE THAT .....(QUOTE) "HAVE EYES AND WANT TO SEE IT...EARS AND WANT TO HEAR IT" - LORD BLESS - I'M OUTA HERE - KICKING THE DUST OFF MY FEET.....JESUS TOLD ME TO DO THAT WITH ANYONE THAT REJECTS HIS DOCTINE.

 

[Tintin]

KICKING THE DUST OFF MY FEET.....JESUS TOLD ME TO DO THAT WITH ANYONE THAT REJECTS HIS DOCTRINE.

Mate, this Biblical quote isn't aimed at people promoting false teachings but at God's prophets of truth. The Trinity is a biblical understanding of the three personhood of God and it is Truth.

 

[JLHillsSr]

How much truth do you need to know to have Grace and be in the one church?

Know and accept the truth of what was accomplished on the cross.
Who?
What?
Why?
All that needs be done is keep asking why until you find the smallest pieces of any verse.