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Ah, so this is the sound now? All of a sudden "early church" and their traditions are of some importance. I have never denied that the ante-nicene fathers spoke of free will. But to say that they spoke of (and meant with) that in the same wise as semi-pelagians or arminians is another kettle of fish altogether. And, yes, the catholics had their take on these things in the council of Trent, in opposition not only to the reformation but also to their own older creeds.
Btw, if you want to have an honest and consequent approach to the early fathers, you should also look at what quite a few of them taught about the trinity and the atonement. I am quite sure you'd find no support for your views in that. "The earlier the more reliable" is not always correct.
We are not discussing limited atonement here. It's not necessarily a goes hand in hand thing. Just because you reject the concept of free will in spiritual matters it doesn't mean you have to believe in limited atonement.
Btw, if you want to have an honest and consequent approach to the early fathers, you should also look at what quite a few of them taught about the trinity and the atonement. I am quite sure you'd find no support for your views in that. "The earlier the more reliable" is not always correct.
We are not discussing limited atonement here. It's not necessarily a goes hand in hand thing. Just because you reject the concept of free will in spiritual matters it doesn't mean you have to believe in limited atonement.
So, who else believes like you for instance about the restoration of Israel?
being in the military, I have travalled and lived in many states. Attended many churches. many of which are quite large churches. The church I attend now has over 6000 people who attend on a semi regular basis, Every church I have ever attended believes in this.
Yet that does not matter does it? We do not go off popular interpretation. We could be in error by doing that (like the jews in Christ's time) We should just go by the word right?
I have yet to find a Church I agree 100 % with everything everyone believes, I doubt I ever will..