Live by the sword, die by the sword. - Ron Paul

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Paul tweets on death of former SEAL sniper, Navy hero - Washington Times <--- click
 
I don't know what to say. I think some Americans are far too gun happy but I don't agree that guns should be banned. Also, I too don't see the logic behind sending a damaged man to the gun range to help with his PTSD healing process. Alarm bells should've been ringing.
 
I view his life was given to protect us in his service against our enemy not some one who went to procure his own life as a rouge
 
In the words of Inspector Clouseau, there is a time and place for everything.

But then Ron Paul has made a political career of, for better or worse, ignoring that principle.
 
I know what he was trying to say.
Folks like to twist what he says in order to score political points.

He was just saying that a result of getting in so many wars lead to this consequence eventually.
 
I think I underestand what Mr. Paul meant. It wasn't probably the best timing, but his statement holds an important truth. War is death. War has consequences, like PTSD. Yes, war is unavoidable in this world, but it should never be celebrated. I personally dislike the interest some people have in wars. I see unhealthy appreciation for war and the ''death of our enemies'' for our nation's sake .

I'm not a pacifist, but as long as it's possible, make war the LAST option. It's honorable to fight for one's nation, but it's dangerous when people start thinking of the enemies as less than people, especially civilians who in many cases have nothing to do with the conflict. I'm all for justice, defending the week, defending the innocent, but when it turns into ''my nation is always right and other nations are wrong'' it reminds me of nazi Germany.

I don't know who Chris Kyle was, and I'm not criticizing what he did. I'm talking about war and its consequences in a general sense. We should rejoice when justice is done, but at the same time we should be sad that war was the means for accomplishing it. Maybe it sounds contradicting, but I think it's possible.
 
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>>>'my nation is always right and other nations are wrong'' it reminds me of nazi Germany.<<<

Some christians recognize the war is not about "nation against nation" but rather religious war being fought with the citizens of certain nations.
 
In the words of Inspector Clouseau, there is a time and place for everything.

But then Ron Paul has made a political career of, for better or worse, ignoring that principle.

Ron Paul was just a change agent.
he works for the big money, he planned to cut the US standard of living to zero with austerity, and his gold standard only benefits.....well.
his actual cuts to the pentagon were next to nothing.
Ayn Rand groupie.
he tricked all the patriots.
all talk....got them all to step forward and actually advanced the clamp-down.
 
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I like Ron Paul
I don't understand why anti-government people would be so anti-Paul.


You would think that someone who believes World Government is bad, strong centralized federal government over local government and a government that dictates peoples lives are bad, would favor someone who wants to radically decrease the size and scope of government. Who advocates leaving the UN, and who isn't for building an empire.

I do disagree with some of his libertarian values. I must say though, he's better than the supposed "Religious" Right, who have no problem with pillaging, plundering, and unjust war.
 
I don't understand why anti-government people would be so anti-Paul.


You would think that someone who believes World Government is bad, strong centralized federal government over local government and a government that dictates peoples lives are bad, would favor someone who wants to radically decrease the size and scope of government. Who advocates leaving the UN, and who isn't for building an empire.

I do disagree with some of his libertarian values. I must say though, he's better than the supposed "Religious" Right, who have no problem with pillaging, plundering, and unjust war.

Yes I agree haha.
I strongly agree with what he says about America being an empire and that it is sure to fall if it doesn't stop stretching its resources all over the world.. and how they have no business being in other countries dictating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzl7TwnTu5Y --- I don't know how anyone could disagree with what he says here.
 
I must say though, he's better than the supposed "Religious" Right, who have no problem with pillaging, plundering, and unjust war.

ron paul has no problem with those things either...when vladimir putin or omar al-bashir do them...
 
ron paul has no problem with those things either...when vladimir putin or omar al-bashir do them...
As I recall from several debates, he does not believe it is the place of our government to intervene in their affairs. Thta does not tell you in and of itself whether he personally condemns or condones the actions of those nations(and many whom we prop up). He has said though, that if we are going to go to war, let's at least do it constitutionally and legally, unlike what we have done since the end of WW2.


The United States has a knack for supporting regimes that are agents of wickedness.
 
I don't understand why anti-government people would be so anti-Paul.


You would think that someone who believes World Government is bad, strong centralized federal government over local government and a government that dictates peoples lives are bad, would favor someone who wants to radically decrease the size and scope of government. Who advocates leaving the UN, and who isn't for building an empire.

I do disagree with some of his libertarian values. I must say though, he's better than the supposed "Religious" Right, who have no problem with pillaging, plundering, and unjust war.

diggs...he actually wants a World Bank.
yes, he has said he is isolationist (which i agree with).
but he's actually a globalist of sorts (not a contradiction if you understand how his world bank would work).
he was FOR the most crippling austerity for american citizens anyone has ever articulated - we should be grateful he wasn't elected.
your standard of living would have gone to zero.
it's too late to (and in my opinion the US shouldn't) do away with a minimal social safety net.
his stuff about auditing the Fed is silly. everybody knows the Fed is an extortion racket.
to my knowledge he never called for seizing it (or closing it and the Federal Gov't starting to issue it's OWN currency).
his version of libertarianism borders on anarchy.

there would be serious winners and serious losers in Paul's program.
mostly losers.
 
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diggs...he actually wants a World Bank.
Got any legitimate sources?


yes, he has said he is isolationist (which i agree with).
I don't recall him ever saying he's isolationist. If so, oh well. His seems to be quite a different brand from what the U.S. has had.


but he's actually a globalist of sorts (not a contradiction if you understand how his world bank would work).
Again, sources?


he was FOR the most crippling austerity for american citizens anyone has ever articulated - we should be grateful he wasn't elected.
Why, because he might cut government spending which is about to destroy this country anyway?

When the well is dry:
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... it's dry...

your standard of living would have gone to zero.
We're about to be in a worse situation. I'd take not having an ipad (which I don't have anyway) over an imploding currency, banking system, economy, and the riots/looting that will come after. Not to mention of course, that the debt this country has is at sinful levels.


it's too late to (and in my opinion the US shouldn't) do away with a minimal social safety net.
The Gov. can't afford it, and shouldn't be taking care of that. That is something you and I as individual citizens are responsible for. It also should be dealt with at more local levels. These programs are just instutionalized theivery.


his stuff about auditing the Fed is silly.
It's good to know what's in it, and what they're doing. I'd rather have the ability to audit, than not know anything.

everybody knows the Fed is an extortion racket.
Not everyone.


to my knowledge he never called for seizing it (or closing it and the Federal Gov't starting to issue it's OWN currency).
It would help if you pay attention to what he says.

End the Fed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <--- click


his version of libertarianism borders on anarchy.
I'm fine with a severely limited federal government. Government it is to encourage the general welfare, not steal from some and give to others.

there would be serious winners and serious losers in Paul's program.
Yeah, Gov. officials and those who have a government job would lose in the short term results.


mostly losers.
Maybe in the short term results.


Also, watch out for the Folk Marxism. Not everyone with power, money, or a recognizable name is in on the conspiracy.
Folk Beliefs Have Consequences - TCS Daily <--- click
 
Got any legitimate sources?

The Beginning Of The End Of Fiat Money | The Ron Paul Archive < click

"The ultimate solution will only come with the rejection of fiat money worldwide, and a restoration of commodity money. Commodity money if voluntarily and universally accepted could give us a single world currency requiring no money managers, no manipulators orchestrating a man-made business cycle with rampant price inflation. Real free trade without barriers or tariffs and a single sound currency is the best way to achieve international peace and prosperity."

what is the commodity money he is talking about - WORLDWIDE commodity?
GOLD.

do you have any gold?

who has all the GOLD?

the US gov't SHOULD be printing it's OWN fiat money, for it's own citizens...which they can borrow at extremely low interest rates (since it is their gov't, and their fiat money), and use it to start small businesses or purchase homes or whatever.

if the US needs to trade on the global market, and it needs to use GOLD, that gold STILL should belong to the people.

it doesn't.
 
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