Is repetitive prayer wrong?

[Maynard]

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Rev 4:8 - The four living creatures, each of them with six wings, were covered with eyes inside and out. Day and night they do not stop exclaiming:
"Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God almighty, who was, and who is, and who is to come."


Also, there is absolutely nothing vain about praying the holy rosary. Those prayers are all about humility ans selflessness and loving God and following after Christ our Lord.

 

[Elizabeth619]

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Rev 4:8 - The four living creatures, each of them with six wings, were covered with eyes inside and out. Day and night they do not stop exclaiming:
"Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God almighty, who was, and who is, and who is to come."


Also, there is absolutely nothing vain about praying the holy rosary. Those prayers are all about humility ans selflessness and loving God and following after Christ our Lord.

Rosary beads come from pagan practices and was not used by any CHristian before 1000AD.

Rev 4:8 They are singing. Not praying. Jesus prayed to the Father while Jesus was on earth in His human nature. But, nowhere in the Bible do we read about Jesus praying to the Father after He ascended back into heaven.

 

[shawntc]

Rosary beads come from pagan practices and was not used by any CHristian before 1000AD.

Rev 4:8 They are singing. Not praying. Jesus prayed to the Father while Jesus was on earth in His human nature. But, nowhere in the Bible do we read about Jesus praying to the Father after He ascended back into heaven.

Let's clarify this. Although Jesus doesn't pray in the sense of going into a garden or closet to pray, he does still talk to God. Indeed, he is constantly mediating on our behalves. So perhaps I'm reading you out of context but in a sense, yes, Jesus is still praying to God.

 

[Maynard]

Rosary beads come from pagan practices.

So does your Christmas tree, Elizabeth.
Actually, prayer, devotion, fasting, penance, and about 1000 other things are common to many religions and faiths, including your own. Beads are simply a common way of keeping track of prayers. The rosary itself is certainly not pagan.
The use of "prayer beads" and the repeated recitation of prayers to aid in meditation stem from the earliest days of the Church and does have it's roots in pre-Christian times.
Evidence exists from the Middle Ages that strings of beads were used to count Our Fathers and Hail Marys. Actually, these strings of beads became known as "Paternosters," the Latin for "Our Father." The structure of the rosary gradually evolved between the 12th and 15th centuries. Eventually 50 Hail Marys were recited and linked with verses of psalms or other phrases evoking the lives of Jesus and Mary. During this time, this prayer form became known as the rosarium ("rose garden"), actually a common term to designate a collection of similar material, such as an anthology of stories on the same subject or theme. During the 16th century, the structure of the five-decade rosary based on the three sets of mysteries prevailed.
Tradition does hold that St. Dominic (d. 1221) devised the rosary as we know it.

Rev 4:8 They are singing. Not praying. Jesus prayed to the Father while Jesus was on earth in His human nature. But, nowhere in the Bible do we read about Jesus praying to the Father after He ascended back into heaven.

What are you saying? That no one - not even the angels and saints - pray to God while in His presence? That is utter nonsense. There are constant prayers and intercession happening before the Throne of God.

Yet another example from scripture;

"Another angel with a golden censer came and stood at the altar; he was given a great quantity of incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar that is before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel."


Quit watching stupid youtube video's, and rather study Church history and scripture. Will do you all a lot of good regarding all of your bogus arguments against the Catholic Church. Listen to the Church fathers, not some utterly ignorant back-woods pastor spewing nonsense.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Let's clarify this. Although Jesus doesn't pray in the sense of going into a garden or closet to pray, he does still talk to God. Indeed, he is constantly mediating on our behalves. So perhaps I'm reading you out of context but in a sense, yes, Jesus is still praying to God.

Yes, he is still meditating on our behalf, but we pray to draw closer to God. Jesus is God is he not?

So does your Christmas tree, Elizabeth.
Actually, prayer, devotion, fasting, penance, and about 1000 other things are common to many religions and faiths, including your own. Beads are simply a common way of keeping track of prayers. The rosary itself is certainly not pagan.
The use of "prayer beads" and the repeated recitation of prayers to aid in meditation stem from the earliest days of the Church and does have it's roots in pre-Christian times.
Evidence exists from the Middle Ages that strings of beads were used to count Our Fathers and Hail Marys. Actually, these strings of beads became known as "Paternosters," the Latin for "Our Father." The structure of the rosary gradually evolved between the 12th and 15th centuries. Eventually 50 Hail Marys were recited and linked with verses of psalms or other phrases evoking the lives of Jesus and Mary. During this time, this prayer form became known as the rosarium ("rose garden"), actually a common term to designate a collection of similar material, such as an anthology of stories on the same subject or theme. During the 16th century, the structure of the five-decade rosary based on the three sets of mysteries prevailed.
Tradition does hold that St. Dominic (d. 1221) devised the rosary as we know it.





What are you saying? That no one - not even the angels and saints - pray to God while in His presence? That is utter nonsense. There are constant prayers and intercession happening before the Throne of God.

Yet another example from scripture;

"Another angel with a golden censer came and stood at the altar; he was given a great quantity of incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar that is before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel."


Quit watching stupid youtube video's, and rather study Church history and scripture. Will do you all a lot of good regarding all of your bogus arguments against the Catholic Church. Listen to the Church fathers, not some utterly ignorant back-woods pastor spewing nonsense.

The Catholic church incorporated many pagan practices in to Christianity on their own authority. At the same time I do not use these things when I pray or worship

Quit watching stupid youtube video's, and rather study Church history and scripture. Will do you all a lot of good regarding all of your bogus arguments against the Catholic Church. Listen to the Church fathers, not some utterly ignorant back-woods pastor spewing nonsense

This right here is where I am done interacting with you. If you are sure the Catholic faith is correct then why the hostility? I have not once looked at youtube to debate this issue. As a matter of fact I am one of the bigger advocates on here that tells people not to look for any facts on youtube.
You have also assumed many false things about my own beliefs that aren't true. You do not know me. You do not know what I believe.
Referring to mine or anyones beliefs as "ignorant" because they do not agree with you is rude, condescending and shows ones true character.

Just so you know I have looked toward the bible for my answers. Thats the reason why I posted scripture.

I learned a long time ago when someone resorts to insulting others is a sign they cannot handle a civil adult conversation. In saying that have a good night.

 

[Maynard]

Just so you know I have looked toward the bible for my answers. Thats the reason why I posted scripture.

Use the fullness of scripture, as I demonstrated in my responses to you. Not just the little snippets that support your view.

And I apologize, Elizabeth, for confusing you with the guy posting bogus anti-catholic youtube video's tonight. That was rude of me.

Peace.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Use the fullness of scripture, as I demonstrated in my responses to you. Not just the little snippets that support your view.

And I apologize, Elizabeth, for confusing you with the guy posting bogus anti-catholic youtube video's tonight. That was rude of me.

Peace.

All is well. I wasn't the sweetest person either. We all get fired up. I did as well.
Its also late here. I'm going to bed.

 

[RedTent]

It is wrong, without the meaningfulness of it, its vague or worthless and vain. Its the same as making your computer pray for you at night with a "audio random prayer" per night.

I agree, the repeat of pious words so we look and feel pious just isn't going to make it with God. But I think we can repeat words, and they are heard. We can praise God over and over, even when we use words from others to help us express ourselves. What is better than the psalms for praise? When Giod taught us to pray he said it was for "this day", so he must have expected daily repeats.

What I think isn't acceptable to God is when we repeat our complaints about something that has happened to us over and over. God heard the first time, God knows. Now it is up to us to search for and get rid of sin in our lives that stand between us and Him. And have faith in that God heard, and wants the very best for us with His loving, forgiving heart.