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That's a "No, Jesus is not God."
Well, you might want to rethink that.
The divinity (nature of God) of Jesus is a fundamental of Christianity, along with the virgin birth.
It's one thing to get it wrong about the resurrection body,
but it's quite another to get it wrong about the divinity of God's one and only Son, Jesus (Jn 3:16, 18; 1Jn 4:9).
Jesus claimed:
He came from heaven (Jn 3:13, 6:38, 42, 62),
and was sent by God (Jn 5:36-40, 10:36, 13:3, 16:28),
to die as a ransom for the sins of many (Mt 20:28, 26:28; Jn 10:11),
with power to forgive sin (Mt 9:2-6),
to conquer Satan (Jn 12:31; Lk 10:18; Mk 1:23-26, 5:6-13),
to speak for God (Jn 7:16, 8:25-28), 12:44-45, 49-50, 14:10; Lk 9:35, 10:16),
and to judge all mankind (Jn 5:22, 27, 8:26, 12:48; Mt 25:31-33),
as the source of all truth and life (Jn 1:4, 5:25-26, 6:39-40),
and the exclusive way to God (Jn 14:6; Ac 4:12),
the decisive factor in the eternal destiny of every man (Jn 3:18-19, 36, 5:24, 6:40, 8:24-25),
possessing all authority (power) in heaven and earth (Mt 26:64, 28:18; Lk 10:22; Jn 13:3, 13),
equal with God (Jn 5:18, 8:19, 12:44-45, 14:7-9, 16:15, 17:10); i.e., doing what God does (Jn 5:19)
--as the Father works, so the Son works (miracles ) - (Jn 5:17)
--as the Father gives life, so the Son gives life (Jn 5:21)
--as the Father is Judge, so the Son is Judge (Jn 5:22)
--as the Father is to be honored, so the Son is to be honored (Jn 5:23)
--as the Father has life in himself, so the Son has life in himself (Jn 5:26)
--as the Father sends with authority and power, so the Son sends (Jn 20:21)
--as the Father confers the kingdom, so the Son confers the kingdom (Lk 22:29)
--as the Father is Lawgiver, so the Son is Lawgiver (Mt 5:23-47, 12:7-8, 19:9, 21:23-27, chp 23)
empowering the apostles to speak for him, as well as for God (Lk 10:16; Jn 13:20),
and to recall and understand all things correctly (Jn 14:26, 16:13-15, Lk 24:48-49).
Jesus said he was speaking exactly what the Father told him to say when he made these claims about himself (Jn 12:49).
In these claims, Jesus is saying that he is no less than God.
The Jews certainly understood that's what he meant
(Mk 2:3-7; Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7),
which is why they killed him (Ac 7:52).
To keep from being killed by them before his time by providing them with irrefutable evidence of what they would call blasphemy.
(Jn 5:18, 7:1, 19, 11:53; Mt 12:14, 26:4).
The Jews thought he did say it (Mk 2:3-7; Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7).
Well, you might want to rethink that.
The divinity (nature of God) of Jesus is a fundamental of Christianity, along with the virgin birth.
It's one thing to get it wrong about the resurrection body,
but it's quite another to get it wrong about the divinity of God's one and only Son, Jesus (Jn 3:16, 18; 1Jn 4:9).
Jesus claimed:
He came from heaven (Jn 3:13, 6:38, 42, 62),
and was sent by God (Jn 5:36-40, 10:36, 13:3, 16:28),
to die as a ransom for the sins of many (Mt 20:28, 26:28; Jn 10:11),
with power to forgive sin (Mt 9:2-6),
to conquer Satan (Jn 12:31; Lk 10:18; Mk 1:23-26, 5:6-13),
to speak for God (Jn 7:16, 8:25-28), 12:44-45, 49-50, 14:10; Lk 9:35, 10:16),
and to judge all mankind (Jn 5:22, 27, 8:26, 12:48; Mt 25:31-33),
as the source of all truth and life (Jn 1:4, 5:25-26, 6:39-40),
and the exclusive way to God (Jn 14:6; Ac 4:12),
the decisive factor in the eternal destiny of every man (Jn 3:18-19, 36, 5:24, 6:40, 8:24-25),
possessing all authority (power) in heaven and earth (Mt 26:64, 28:18; Lk 10:22; Jn 13:3, 13),
equal with God (Jn 5:18, 8:19, 12:44-45, 14:7-9, 16:15, 17:10); i.e., doing what God does (Jn 5:19)
--as the Father works, so the Son works (miracles ) - (Jn 5:17)
--as the Father gives life, so the Son gives life (Jn 5:21)
--as the Father is Judge, so the Son is Judge (Jn 5:22)
--as the Father is to be honored, so the Son is to be honored (Jn 5:23)
--as the Father has life in himself, so the Son has life in himself (Jn 5:26)
--as the Father sends with authority and power, so the Son sends (Jn 20:21)
--as the Father confers the kingdom, so the Son confers the kingdom (Lk 22:29)
--as the Father is Lawgiver, so the Son is Lawgiver (Mt 5:23-47, 12:7-8, 19:9, 21:23-27, chp 23)
empowering the apostles to speak for him, as well as for God (Lk 10:16; Jn 13:20),
and to recall and understand all things correctly (Jn 14:26, 16:13-15, Lk 24:48-49).
Jesus said he was speaking exactly what the Father told him to say when he made these claims about himself (Jn 12:49).
In these claims, Jesus is saying that he is no less than God.
The Jews certainly understood that's what he meant
(Mk 2:3-7; Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7),
which is why they killed him (Ac 7:52).
To keep from being killed by them before his time by providing them with irrefutable evidence of what they would call blasphemy.
(Jn 5:18, 7:1, 19, 11:53; Mt 12:14, 26:4).
The Jews thought he did say it (Mk 2:3-7; Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7).
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That's a "No, Jesus is not God."
You might want to rethink that.
In addition to the claims Jesus made about himself, the NT also shows Jesus as having
ATTRIBUTES OF GOD:
eternal existence -- Jn 1:1, 2; 1Jn 1:2; Rev 1:8, 22:13
omnipresence -- Mt 18:20, 28:20; Ac 18:10;
omniscience -- Mt 9:4; Jn 2:24-25, 6:64, 21:17b, 16:30; Col 2:3; Rev 2:23 w/1Kgs 8:39 & Jer 17:10
omnipotence -- Jn 3:35, 6:39b, 40b, 54b, 11:25, 13:3; Mt 28:18; Php 3:21; Col 1:17, 19, 2:9; Heb 1:3, 10:12; Rev 1:8, 21:5
immutability -- Heb 1:10-12, 13:8
providence -- Lk 10:22; Jn 3:35, 17:2; Eph 1:22; Col 1:17; Heb 1:3
forgives sin -- Mk 2:7-11; Ac 5:31; Col 3:13
judges sin -- Mt 25:31-32; Jn 5:22, 27; Ac 10:42, 17:31; Ro 2:16, 14:10; 2Co 5:10; 2Tim 4:1
source of eternal life -- Jn 1:4, 5:26, 14:6; Ac 3:15; 1Jn 1:1-2, 5:11-12, 20; Rev 1:18
gives eternal life -- Jn 5:21, 6:54, 57, 11:25-26; 1Co 15:45
1) The name and title, Lord, is used 6,700 times to translate YHWH in the Greek OT, but in the Greek NT it is used chiefly, not of the Father but of the Son.
2) To confess that "Jesus is Lord" (Ro 10:9; 1Co 12:3; Php 2:11) is to acknowledge Jesus as a person to be invoked, trusted, believed, known, praised and adored, as God the Father is (Jn 5:23); that is, as divine.
3) To make Jesus an angel is to exalt an angel far above what he is (Heb 1:14; Ps 91:11, 103:20-21; Da 9:21-23, 10:12-14; Mt 4:11; Lk 22:43) and is to lower God far below what he is.
The NT witnesses throughout to the deity of Jesus.
You might want to rethink that.
In addition to the claims Jesus made about himself, the NT also shows Jesus as having
ATTRIBUTES OF GOD:
eternal existence -- Jn 1:1, 2; 1Jn 1:2; Rev 1:8, 22:13
omnipresence -- Mt 18:20, 28:20; Ac 18:10;
omniscience -- Mt 9:4; Jn 2:24-25, 6:64, 21:17b, 16:30; Col 2:3; Rev 2:23 w/1Kgs 8:39 & Jer 17:10
omnipotence -- Jn 3:35, 6:39b, 40b, 54b, 11:25, 13:3; Mt 28:18; Php 3:21; Col 1:17, 19, 2:9; Heb 1:3, 10:12; Rev 1:8, 21:5
immutability -- Heb 1:10-12, 13:8
providence -- Lk 10:22; Jn 3:35, 17:2; Eph 1:22; Col 1:17; Heb 1:3
forgives sin -- Mk 2:7-11; Ac 5:31; Col 3:13
judges sin -- Mt 25:31-32; Jn 5:22, 27; Ac 10:42, 17:31; Ro 2:16, 14:10; 2Co 5:10; 2Tim 4:1
source of eternal life -- Jn 1:4, 5:26, 14:6; Ac 3:15; 1Jn 1:1-2, 5:11-12, 20; Rev 1:18
gives eternal life -- Jn 5:21, 6:54, 57, 11:25-26; 1Co 15:45
1) The name and title, Lord, is used 6,700 times to translate YHWH in the Greek OT, but in the Greek NT it is used chiefly, not of the Father but of the Son.
2) To confess that "Jesus is Lord" (Ro 10:9; 1Co 12:3; Php 2:11) is to acknowledge Jesus as a person to be invoked, trusted, believed, known, praised and adored, as God the Father is (Jn 5:23); that is, as divine.
3) To make Jesus an angel is to exalt an angel far above what he is (Heb 1:14; Ps 91:11, 103:20-21; Da 9:21-23, 10:12-14; Mt 4:11; Lk 22:43) and is to lower God far below what he is.
The NT witnesses throughout to the deity of Jesus.
J
Son is a stature. It is the point at which Jehovah was willing to give his gift up so that humanity could inherit the kingdom of heaven.
The gift is that Holy Thing. Jesus is simply the humanity that allowed Jehovah to use the body. His role was that of a prophet, and to allow Jehovah to use the Body and learn from Him.
The gift is that Holy Thing. Jesus is simply the humanity that allowed Jehovah to use the body. His role was that of a prophet, and to allow Jehovah to use the Body and learn from Him.
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It's clear in scripture that Jesus is not God. He is the Son of God, they are one but also individuals. He doesn't sit on his own right hand. I think a lot of people become confused because of verses like "I and my Father are one". I'll give some scripture to clear that whole thing up
St. John 17:17-23
"Sanctify them through thy truth, thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone; but for them also which shall believe on me through their word. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they may also be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me"
We may also be one in the same sense that Jesus and God are one. This does not mean that we are God or that we are Jesus. Then you have Mark 13: 35-37
"And Jesus answered and said while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David? For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly".
If Jesus was God, there would be so many instances that would not make any sense. Every time he prayed, he would really only be praying to himself. Here's a really good example. Luke 22:42 "Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done". Obviously shows 2 different wills there.
The fact that Jesus and God are one is true. It is also true that when a Man and a Woman marry, they are no longer twain (two), but one flesh. Does this actually mean that you and your spouse are the same person? Obviously not.
St. John 17:17-23
"Sanctify them through thy truth, thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone; but for them also which shall believe on me through their word. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they may also be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me"
We may also be one in the same sense that Jesus and God are one. This does not mean that we are God or that we are Jesus. Then you have Mark 13: 35-37
"And Jesus answered and said while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David? For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly".
If Jesus was God, there would be so many instances that would not make any sense. Every time he prayed, he would really only be praying to himself. Here's a really good example. Luke 22:42 "Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done". Obviously shows 2 different wills there.
The fact that Jesus and God are one is true. It is also true that when a Man and a Woman marry, they are no longer twain (two), but one flesh. Does this actually mean that you and your spouse are the same person? Obviously not.
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I havnt read the thread so maybe you all went over this.
John 17 is not talking about one in divinity but in relationship.
Jesus sitting on the right hand is a figure of speech. God is one.
Read Hebrews 1 slow especially when God calls Him God. And try
to understand what the incarnation was. Before dealing with Jesus
words while He was the Kinsman redeemer. And that it was only
till His assention that He talked in a limited way.
The marriage is not the same oneness as divinity, the oneness is relational.
Your thinking is spacial while God is omnipresent.
John 17 is not talking about one in divinity but in relationship.
Jesus sitting on the right hand is a figure of speech. God is one.
Read Hebrews 1 slow especially when God calls Him God. And try
to understand what the incarnation was. Before dealing with Jesus
words while He was the Kinsman redeemer. And that it was only
till His assention that He talked in a limited way.
The marriage is not the same oneness as divinity, the oneness is relational.
Your thinking is spacial while God is omnipresent.
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Luke 22:42 shows that Jesus and the Father are separate people, or as you said - have two different wills. This does not disprove Jesus is God. Neither do the other verses that you quoted. How can Jesus be the only begotten Son of God if he is not God? Also, if Jesus is not God then none of His claims make any sense, whatsoever. And, why does this topic keep popping up?! 
Oh Elin
You are amazing
All you did was deflect about the subject of the resurrected body, wouldn't answer any question on it at all. Then I simply repeated what you constantly wrote, namely
It does not state in the Bible 'Jesus is God'
And I get two full posts.
Well there wouldn't be much point in replying would there, all I would get is more evasion and deflection.
Tell you what, I will reply to what you have written,if you firstly answer a couple of questions of mine, call it showing good faith if you will after all your previous deflections. Let me know if you want to answer them
You are amazing
All you did was deflect about the subject of the resurrected body, wouldn't answer any question on it at all. Then I simply repeated what you constantly wrote, namely
It does not state in the Bible 'Jesus is God'
And I get two full posts.
Well there wouldn't be much point in replying would there, all I would get is more evasion and deflection.
Tell you what, I will reply to what you have written,if you firstly answer a couple of questions of mine, call it showing good faith if you will after all your previous deflections. Let me know if you want to answer them
Hi
There's something you need to be aware of. A few people on internet websites(only a few thank goodness!) will demand you believe Christ is God Himself unto salvation. In effect they can ream off the scripture, and think they know much in their own minds, but in reality they show they have little understanding of core spiritual truth that matters. They will try and discuss this subject with you, and demand you fully respond to the scripture they place before you, but when they cannot reply to the scripture you place before them, they will deflect, malign you, or lie about you and say you believe what you do not.
In Britain(for I cannot speak of the churches in the states) the ministers in the mainline Trintarian churches will not stand in the pulpit and plainly state that if a persion believes Jesus is the son of God, but not the one true God Himself they cannot be saved with that belief, are therefore damned and will go to hell. And yet, that is what some who are wise in their own eyes believe. The vast majority of people will not tell you you must believe Christ is God himself unto salvation, but there are always a few who will. I would say that at least 90% of people who attend church will accept a person as a Christian if they simply believe Christ is the Son of God, and I say that having firstly gone to church over 50 years ago.
When you then ask these people who make extra biblical demands for salvation if a minister is obligated from the pulpit to plainly preach what to them is the core of the faith and the consequences of getting it wrong(the Gospel unto salvation), they cannot then reply, only deflect, otherwise they have to condemn most of the ministers in their churches. Such is the true state of their position.
But some people(not all by any means) come onto the internet who think they know, and believe they are justified to in their hearts condemn you
There is not one verse of scripture in the entire bible that states a person must believe Christ is God Himself unto salvation, not one. As Elin keeps pointing out, it is not plainly written in the Bible Jesus is God . Yet this matters not to them, in effect they have a knowledge in the head, certainly not led of the Holy Spirit. Most of them rely on reading up much of scholars and theologians to give them knowledge of inconsequential subjects that bear little relation to what matters most in the Christian walk.
As I say, these people are in the minority, but you have to remember, this is the internet, and some come on here(only some), believing they have much truth, and they have come here to benefit others with what they think they know.
The demands they make are not made in the churches themselves(again i AM British so speak of UK churches)
So, it is an undisputable fact, that either these people are wrong, or the ministers in the Trinitarian churches are woefully and abysmally failing their flock by not plainly informing them of the core belief of the Christian faith and the consequences of getting it wrong. Which do you think is more likely?
My advice to you, is to ignore this subject, it gets nowhere. If you want to discuss it you will have to be thick skinned, but it is better ignored
For you can tell these people you believe the fulness of the Godhead bodily dwells in Christ, you can tell them the prescence of the Father fully dwells in the Son, you can tell them the divinity of the Father is in the Son, the only truly begotten Son of God, but it will make no difference, unless you accept their form of words as to who Christ is you are condemned.
They are blind guides, leading the blind, in effect they will not accept scripture as their bottom line unto salvation but the academic mind of the theologians and scholars they follow who have extrapolated scripture to the point of contradicting the plain words of Christ unto salvation. They do not rely firstly on the Spirit for truth, but the mind of man
BTW
If that seems harsh, discuss this subject with them for a while, you may then not think it is
On the contrary, its clear that Jesus is God.
This can be demonstrated with the established TSKS rule of Greek grammar, alone.
This fact removes any eisegesis.
Clearly, you don't understand the Trinity.
Please tell us, in your own words, what you even think that the Trinity is...and then detail to us why your scripture selections supposedly thwart it.
All uni's that I have encountered cannot even begin to state what they think the Trinity is...and the ones that do, have it wrong...such it is with Trinity-deniers...they go through life beating-up a strawman of their own creation.
So...define the premise of what you reject, first.
J
Jehovah was given the title of God by the Father in Genesis.
Gen 17:7 KJV - And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
He isn't declared a Son until he is baptized by John the Baptist:
Mat 3:16 KJV - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 KJV - And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Mar 1:10 KJV - And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Mar 1:11 KJV - And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Notice that in Matthew 3:16 and in Mark 1:10, the Spirit of the Father becomes visible. This is who the Father is calling his Son, not the body.
Take a look at Abraham and Isaac.
Gen 22:6 KJV - And Abraham (Father) took the wood (Cross) of the burnt offering, and laid [it] upon Isaac his son (Jehovah); and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.
Gen 22:7 KJV - And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here [am] I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where [is] the lamb for a burnt offering?
Gen 22:8 KJV - And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Gen 22:9 KJV - And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order (in the shape of a cross), and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
Gen 22:10 KJV - And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
Gen 22:11 KJV - And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here [am] I.
Gen 22:12 KJV - And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from me.
Gen 22:13 KJV - And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind [him] a ram (Body) caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
Gen 22:14 KJV - And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said [to] this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
Gen 17:7 KJV - And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
He isn't declared a Son until he is baptized by John the Baptist:
Mat 3:16 KJV - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 KJV - And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Mar 1:10 KJV - And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Mar 1:11 KJV - And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Notice that in Matthew 3:16 and in Mark 1:10, the Spirit of the Father becomes visible. This is who the Father is calling his Son, not the body.
Take a look at Abraham and Isaac.
Gen 22:6 KJV - And Abraham (Father) took the wood (Cross) of the burnt offering, and laid [it] upon Isaac his son (Jehovah); and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.
Gen 22:7 KJV - And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here [am] I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where [is] the lamb for a burnt offering?
Gen 22:8 KJV - And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Gen 22:9 KJV - And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order (in the shape of a cross), and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
Gen 22:10 KJV - And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
Gen 22:11 KJV - And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here [am] I.
Gen 22:12 KJV - And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from me.
Gen 22:13 KJV - And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind [him] a ram (Body) caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
Gen 22:14 KJV - And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said [to] this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.